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Old 04-21-2013, 10:30   #41
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:31   #42
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Yea? Well, how should they have dealt with him?
I've lost all hope anyone will bother to answer that question.
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Old 04-21-2013, 10:37   #43
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wow, all this for one 19 year old? what if it had been a squad of 10 not running from but, fighting? tactical nukes? lol!
It is refreshing to see how many here, staunch constitutional supporters all, quickly understand that sometimes it is really important that we not use a stupid piece of paper over two hundred years old to impede the government from doing what it wants to do.

This proves that many GLOCKtalkers understand that in the name of temporary safety, we have to give up essential liberty.

The government will provide for our safety a bit at a time.

Now it has been established that most Americans believe the government has a right to enter your home, forcibly if necessary, to see if there is anyone criminal inside, but only in "unusual and extreme" situations. Especially if they have a specific criminal in mind. Next time, what if they decide the criminal may want to arm himself. Well, no harm as long as they give you a receipt for the guns they take. After, it will be an "unusual, extreme" situation, I've no doubts.

Every wonder why cattle plod so dumbly towards the hammer and blade? It is because they are so stupid.
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Yea? Well, how should they have dealt with him?
Can't blame the officers on scene for him getting away. But forcing American out of their homes at gunpoint didn't do our country any good. I doubt the decision to do such things was from individual officers, but the people in charge appeared to think suspending the constitution is OK if they REALLY, REALLY think it's a good idea.

As to a better way to find the guy?...
Lifting the lockdown seemed to have helped.
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So were the houses where the owners weren't home searched or was it just the occupied houses?
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Just a few thoughts -

On days when the sun is shining and all is well - the rights we have as citizens don't normally need protecting.

In times of trouble & high stress - is where protections become important.


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I can in no way prove this - and sort of guess some in this thread will strongly disagree - go ahead - it is just my observation.

The people - politicians - law enforcement - that see no problems with government kicking citizen's rights to the curb for every emergency that comes along -

Would be the most butt hurt group of all if THEY were subjected the the exact same treatment.

A part of the reason they think these actions are OK is because they have the view they will never be subjected to them.

OH hell I know all the people on the force - no problem come on in and search - can not even imagine that their family - wife or daughter holding a baby - would be forced out into the street at gunpoint.
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I've lost all hope anyone will bother to answer that question.
There are a lot of MM qb's ruinin' around in the pocket, I just wanna see who thinks they can make the play. I haven't givin' up yet.
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As to a better way to find the guy?...
Lifting the lock down seemed to have helped.
Do you think they found that out after the fact or do you presume they had put the inquiry to their crystal ball before lifting the lock down?
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Can't blame the officers on scene for him getting away. But forcing American out of their homes at gunpoint didn't do our country any good. I doubt the decision to do such things was from individual officers, but the people in charge appeared to think suspending the constitution is OK if they REALLY, REALLY think it's a good idea.

As to a better way to find the guy?...
Lifting the lockdown seemed to have helped.
Qualified yourself as almost to biased to function.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Id invite them in, offer coffee, a cold drink or something to eat.. Thanks for protecting us! Then when they left offer a prayer for their safety and to find the SOB.
Offer them coffee?

Why do you think you would not be ordered out of your home at gun point?

Why do you think you would you be treated any differently than the folks on the video?

Are you in law enforcement? So you don't expect the same treatment as the "regular" citizens?
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Qualified yourself as almost to biased to function.
And you're not?
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Qualified yourself as almost to biased to function.
Are you saying it didn't happen? I don't know about every single search, but it did happen. Bias works both ways.
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Are you saying it didn't happen? I don't know about every single search, but it did happen. Bias works both ways.
Can you point to ones where it did happen?
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Do you think they found that out after the fact or do you presume they had put the inquiry to their crystal ball before lifting the lock down?
i don't presume to know everything. You seem to think you know best...you tell us. Was not finding him and allowing people out of their homes part of the plan
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The government has the duty to assess the threat, then if warranted, seek a declaration of martial law, which legally allows the suspension of certain civil liberties - among them the right to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures, freedom of movement and freedom of association.

Apparently, they skipped this important step and in so doing created another terrorist victory - if those that seek to destroy our way of life can so easily cause we citizens to lose the rights that are so fundamental to us as Americans, then the terrorists have won.
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Qualified yourself as almost to biased to function.
Would you prefer the term, rudely displaying their weapons as they forced people from their homes? Before calling people to biased to function, you'd better look in the mirror bub.
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Easy to say that sitting in a comfortable chair talking about it online. "Tell them everything is fine and to go away or I will kill your wife and kids" would have a slightly different ring to it if it were actually happening given the suspect's recent history. Besides, not everyone has dogs, is armed (it's MA remember), and all that.
Whether or not other people worry about their home security isn't really my problem, the police forcing their way into my home is. As I said, the odds of the guy actually hiding in my home would be minuscule. The odds of the situation rapidly deteriorating when my dogs go after the swat team grabbing me or forcing their way inside is pretty high. Not to mention them coming in and seeing a gun on or near someone.

Between one guy loose in a pretty big area and thousands of understandably on edge LEO's who are chasing a bombing suspect who's been shooting at them all night, I'm probably more likely to be injured or killed in a search gone bad, or hit by a stray bullet/AD. Plus when answering a door it's pretty easy to signal that something is wrong.
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Gonna be a lot of folks with carpal tunnel.
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Didn't the whole sheepdog thing actually start right here on Glock Talk? A bunch of wannabees bought a bunch of T-shirts and took an oath to defend those who won't defend themselves?
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Would you prefer the term, rudely displaying their weapons as they forced people from their homes? Before calling people to biased to function, you'd better look in the mirror bub.
Rudely displaying weapons can be necessary when warranted. The key word being WARRENTED.

Like I said, those officers probably didn't decide to ignore the constitution on their own...they were 'just following orders'.
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