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Old 04-28-2013, 14:47   #26
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One or more of each should do.
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Old 04-28-2013, 14:49   #27
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I think the whole NFA could be simplied by taking $200 and the form to the nearest IRS office and let them issue you a nice rubber stamp on your copy of the form......then you go to the FFL and let them run the background check for the rifle/lower/whatever you want. Then you could engrave the number they give ya on the item..............would make for a hell of a lot of cash for the government.

I like the idea of having the number issued engraved, rather than trust, city and state info.
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Old 04-28-2013, 15:19   #28
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Isn't the interstate restriction on transport of an NFA item for commercial purposes only? Can anyone show me where I am prohibited from transporting for recreational purposes my NFA weapon to any state where I can legally possess it?

And SBRs are cool. Just do it!

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Old 04-28-2013, 15:23   #29
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Isn't the interstate restriction on transport of an NFA item for commercial purposes only? Can anyone show me where I am prohibited from transporting for recreational purposes my NFA weapon to any state where I can legally possess it?

And SBRs are cool. Just do it!

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It's federal law.

Anything involving you going from one state to another with such an item is considered "interstate commerce."

"Commerce. Travel, trade, traffic, commerce, transportation, or communication among the several States, or between the District of Columbia and any State, or between any foreign country or any territory or possession and any State or the District of Columbia, or between points in the same State but through any other State or the District of Columbia or a foreign country."
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Old 04-28-2013, 15:40   #30
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Copy that. Thanks. Looks like SBRs require approval but suppressors don't.
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Old 04-28-2013, 22:39   #31
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Old 04-29-2013, 18:16   #32
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Thanks for the responses. I just purchased an 11.5 noveske barrel. So I have my complete lower and a barrel. This is fine for awaiting my tax stamp right? If I buy the upper then just keep it at a friends house?
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Old 04-29-2013, 20:24   #33
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Thanks for the responses. I just purchased an 11.5 noveske barrel. So I have my complete lower and a barrel. This is fine for awaiting my tax stamp right? If I buy the upper then just keep it at a friends house?

You own both and admit to it publicly. Buying a short barrel for an unregistered receiver could be deemed "constructive intent" in federal court. Not good. Wait for your tax stamp, then buy the barrel.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:23   #34
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You own both and admit to it publicly. Buying a short barrel for an unregistered receiver could be deemed "constructive intent" in federal court. Not good. Wait for your tax stamp, then buy the barrel.
So when my barrel gets shipped to me then I will just leave it at my friends house. I didn't know I could not own the barrel and not be able to assemble and still be breaking the law. Thanks for the heads up.
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Old 04-30-2013, 05:47   #35
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So when my barrel gets shipped to me then I will just leave it at my friends house. I didn't know I could not own the barrel and not be able to assemble and still be breaking the law. Thanks for the heads up.
Does your lower have a stock on it? Do you have a stripped lower laying around? If you have a lower that has never had a stock installed, or a lower with a pistol buffer tube, my opinion is that you're good to go. I assembled my SBR as a pistol until the stamp came back.

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Old 04-30-2013, 08:53   #36
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Does your lower have a stock on it? Do you have a stripped lower laying around? If you have a lower that has never had a stock installed, or a lower with a pistol buffer tube, my opinion is that you're good to go. I assembled my SBR as a pistol until the stamp came back.

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I have a stock on it. But that is a good point I could install my old pistol stock. Thanks for the advice.
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:04   #37
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I have a stock on it. But that is a good point I could install my old pistol stock. Thanks for the advice.
No, you can't. If it has ever had a stock on it, it is a rifle, not a virgin receiver. Your best bet is to quit posting constructive intent on the internet.
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No, you can't. If it has ever had a stock on it, it is a rifle, not a virgin receiver. Your best bet is to quit posting constructive intent on the internet.
I disagree, based on this ATF ruling:

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Therefore, so long as a parts kit or collection of parts is not used to make a firearm
regulated under the NFA (e.g., a short-barreled rifle or “any other weapon” as defined by
26 U.S.C. 5845(e)), no NFA firearm is made when the same parts are assembled or reassembled in a configuration not regulated under the NFA (e.g., a pistol, or a rifle with a
barrel of 16 inches or more in length). Merely assembling and disassembling such a rifle
does not result in the making of a new weapon; rather, it is the same rifle in a knockdown
condition (i.e., complete as to all component parts). Likewise, because it is the same
weapon when reconfigured as a pistol, no “weapon made from a rifle” subject to the NFA
has been made.
http://www.atf.gov/files/regulations...ing-2011-4.pdf

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[disclaimer]This is purely my opinion, and I'm not a lawyer.[/disclaimer]

I personally would extrapolate that the concept of "constructive possession" in regards to an AR15 SBR is a fairy tale as well since according to this ruling, you can reconfigure the receiver as you please so long as you don't actually use a configuration that is subject to the NFA. Are there any actual documented cases of someone being charged by the ATF with constructive possession of an AR15 SBR?
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:19   #39
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Did you read the part of your quote about a 16" barrel? You may be right, you may not. OP, I wouldn't risk 10 years in the Federal pen to shave a few months off of getting your new toy.
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Yes. Note the comma and the use of the word "or".

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(e.g., a pistol, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 inches or more in length)
If it said;

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a pistol, a potato, or a rifle with a barrel of 16 or more in length
...would you expect the potato to also require a 16" barrel?

edit: I'm not trying to be a smart ass here. I'm just trying to illustrate the point. If the writer was intending to make the point that you could only reconfigure such a firearm between a 16" barreled pistol and a 16" barreled rifle, the correct way to state the example would be:

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a pistol or rifle, having a barrel of 16" or more in length in either configuration
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I went the "safe" route myself, obviously. I built my virgin receiver into a pistol while waiting on the stamp and only upon getting the stamp back did I install a stock on that receiver.

I agree that it's better safe than sorry, but I'm still of the opinion (not betting my lack of a criminal record on it) that the concept of constructive possession of an AR15 SBR is a fairy tale. I'd be interested to find a case where someone was charged with that where there were not other circumstances (criminal took the illegal SBR apart).
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Old 04-30-2013, 09:45   #42
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So when my barrel gets shipped to me then I will just leave it at my friends house. I didn't know I could not own the barrel and not be able to assemble and still be breaking the law. Thanks for the heads up.
You are not ready to build an NFA item in truth. My best advice would be when it comes to NFA items, posting less and searching more for other who have posted similar questions as you is a REALLY good habit.
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Also, there is a wealth of information in this thread and the entire NFA forum at m4carbine.net.

http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=9830
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So when my barrel gets shipped to me then I will just leave it at my friends house. I didn't know I could not own the barrel and not be able to assemble and still be breaking the law. Thanks for the heads up.
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I went the "safe" route myself, obviously. I built my virgin receiver into a pistol while waiting on the stamp and only upon getting the stamp back did I install a stock on that receiver.

I agree that it's better safe than sorry, but I'm still of the opinion (not betting my lack of a criminal record on it) that the concept of constructive possession of an AR15 SBR is a fairy tale. I'd be interested to find a case where someone was charged with that where there were not other circumstances (criminal took the illegal SBR apart).
I kept my receiver stripped until my tax stamp arrived, then ordered my kit.
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Old 04-30-2013, 14:29   #46
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i have been debating a SBR build for quite awhile now. heck, even a suppressor is on my wants list as far as the NFA goes. i just have a mixed feeling on them right now. i have one buddy who says he wouldnt go NFA if he had to do it over again because of the hassle of owning, transporting, paperwork, inability to sell easily, etc... i have another buddy who is infatuated with it and everything he owns is sbr and suppressed - which kind of defeats the SBR purpose but it would be much longer if not SBR'd.

that said, my biggest personal drawback is that i graduate college in a couple months and will be going where the work is. i hope to stay in the land of the free but if the money is right in a state that doesnt allow such items, then i would have a mess trying to sell or relocate to a family member and either way, its a waste to me at that point. i really dont think i would take a job in an area like that unless it was my only option but until i know better in a couple months, im holding off.

i would really like a super short blackout build. preferably a folding stock but thats hard to pull off on the AR15 platform with the buffer tube.
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Old 04-30-2013, 18:12   #47
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Well I just contacted my friend who works at a gun store. And I am going to keep my lower at his shop until all my legal paperwork comes in. I also talked to a agent at NFA and he told me the same. Keep the lower at a friends house or my friends shop and wait until my stamp comes back. Thanks for everyone advice.
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Old 04-30-2013, 18:24   #48
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Anybody got a line on a 10.5 upper, preferably LMT?
Can't seem to find any not sold out.
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Although I have an AK rather than AR.
The SBR thingy is the same (and I've got 922r to boot).

My solution is a pistol with a two point sling.
You might be surprised at how accurate and easy to shoot they are.
Plus technically it's a pistol.
So you can forget all the legal bullsh1t.

I may still SBR my Suchka at some point.
But it's a blast to shoot just the way it is.

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Anybody got a line on a 10.5 upper, preferably LMT?
Can't seem to find any not sold out.
I've been waiting for 4 months for my 10.25" from J&T. Good luck.
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