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Old 04-30-2013, 19:40   #26
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Thanks, WoodenPlank. I tried to give them a call but they're closed. It all makes sense if it's a sticking cam pin. If the bolt can't rotate properly, it wouldn't have been in the correct position to pick up the rounds off of the top of the magazine, hence the deep gouges in the brass and constantly jamming. I put the cam pin into my Bushmaster bolt and it spins nice and freely. I tried the Bushmaster cam pin in the PSA bolt and it locks up so tight that I hurt my fingers trying to rotate it back. I'll try to give PSA a call tomorrow.

wct097 ~ I wanted to upgrade the parts that are most likely to fail and have spare parts in case something breaks. From everything I've read, Bushmaster's BCG isn't nearly the quality of other brands (quality of steel and mine wasn't staked, for example). Obviously, in this case it hasn't worked out so well. :-/
Email them - info@palmettostatearmory.com

Alex Reiney is who took care of my upper issues, and I've been impressed with how fast he would respond to my emails.
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Old 04-30-2013, 20:22   #27
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Email sent to PSA.
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Old 04-30-2013, 21:57   #28
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IIRC, the cam has to rotate for the bolt to unlock. It wouldn't simply be moving backwards in the wrong position. That said, a sticking cam pin could very well shave momentum off of the bolt's rearward movement.

It seems odd to me that it's gouging the rounds and not allowing the mag to seat. Did you give the mag a good slap on the bottom?

Will be interesting to see what the resolution is. My SBR's BCM cam pin is pretty tight compared to my decade old RRA BCG. I wonder if mine will loosen up as it wears in. In your case, it sounds like an out of spec issue.
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Old 05-01-2013, 07:07   #29
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I put the PSA BCG back in and it seats the magazine just fine now. I wonder if it's something that only shows up when the gun gets hot...
No offence intended but are you absolutely sure the mags were properly seated when the malfunctions occurred? Next time, firmly seat the mag and then attempt to pull it out to insure it’s properly seated.
Please let us know what PSA says.
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:47   #30
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Yep worn mag feed lips will make them hard to seat. Cam pin - I doupt it the bolt would not unlock if its not rotating all the way- easy to ID as well the bolt lugs would be damaged, if not break off!
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Old 05-01-2013, 09:51   #31
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Yep worn mag feed lips will make them hard to seat. Cam pin - I doupt it the bolt would not unlock if its not rotating all the way- easy to ID as well the bolt lugs would be damaged, if not break off!
The cam pin doesn't rotate inside the bolt during firing, as the firing pin prevents this. However, if that pin isn't drilled 100% perfectly, it could indicate another machining issue inside the bolt head.
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Old 05-01-2013, 18:11   #32
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I just got one of these bcgs also so I am keeping an eye on this one. I won't be getting mine out for a couple of weeks though.

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Same here, but have two, for two PSA uppers I have. I am too busy to get to the range for a week or two most likely.
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Old 05-01-2013, 21:52   #33
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Will the rifle pass a basic function check?
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Old 05-01-2013, 23:32   #34
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I bought several of the M16 bolt and carriers from PSA and have found that they fit tight in some of my uppers. Only problems I've faced with them is the drag issue caused by the carrier. Swap the bolts and retry the M16 carrier. My PSA bolts and carrier like oil, something to do with the coating.
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Old 05-02-2013, 10:26   #35
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Joe Wier is in charge of figuring out what's wrong with returns. He called me when I had a BCG problem and they simply exchanged it..... along with 2k rounds of 22LR I didn't order. I thought it was a gift.... but I called them anyway and found out it was a mistake. I sent it back. Didn't even get a thanks, but my BCG does work fine, now.
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Old 05-03-2013, 20:43   #36
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Disappointed

At this point I'm just really disappointed. Disappointed that a brand new BCG with an MPI bolt can be so unreliable. Disappointed that less than a week after placing my order, I was home sick from work and saw BCM's BCG go "in-stock" for over a half hour but I talked myself out of ordering one because the one I had an order from PSA would be "just as good". Disappointed because it's been three days and I have yet to hear back from PSA. Disappointed at the money I wasted shooting 220 rounds of ammo to "prove" my new BCG and it still doesn't work.

Yes, I have function tested my AR with the BCG in it. At home, with A-Zoom snap caps, it works every time. On the range, after 5 rounds, it started jamming.

I still don't understand why people are blaming the magazines. I used five different magazines, all of which are "usgi" and all of which have been 100% reliable in two rifles. Even when I couldn't seat two different magazines into the rifle with the new BCG, all five magazines (I brought 6 with me, only used five) worked fine once I put the Bushy bcg back in.

Not sure what to do. Wish I would have jumped all over that BCM BCG when I sat and watched it in-stock a few weeks ago.

I suppose I'm getting what I deserve. I ought to be more careful in the future.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:05   #37
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At this point I'm just really disappointed. Disappointed that a brand new BCG with an MPI bolt can be so unreliable. Disappointed that less than a week after placing my order, I was home sick from work and saw BCM's BCG go "in-stock" for over a half hour but I talked myself out of ordering one because the one I had an order from PSA would be "just as good". Disappointed because it's been three days and I have yet to hear back from PSA. Disappointed at the money I wasted shooting 220 rounds of ammo to "prove" my new BCG and it still doesn't work.

Yes, I have function tested my AR with the BCG in it. At home, with A-Zoom snap caps, it works every time. On the range, after 5 rounds, it started jamming.

I still don't understand why people are blaming the magazines. I used five different magazines, all of which are "usgi" and all of which have been 100% reliable in two rifles. Even when I couldn't seat two different magazines into the rifle with the new BCG, all five magazines (I brought 6 with me, only used five) worked fine once I put the Bushy bcg back in.

Not sure what to do. Wish I would have jumped all over that BCM BCG when I sat and watched it in-stock a few weeks ago.

I suppose I'm getting what I deserve. I ought to be more careful in the future.

Google AR15 function check. It doesn't involve a snap cap. Its a procedure that's taught to every recruit at basic and it tests several basic rifle functions.

Don't get down on the whole thing. There was a member here who bought a BCM bolt last year and had a problem and had to send it back as well. Manufacturing defects exist with every AR maker out there.

Also, one of the things that you mentioned is that you installed a new trigger. Double check to see that your springs are properly installed and your pins are fully seated on both sides of the receiver. Its really easy to get the hammer spring reversed.
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Old 05-04-2013, 06:14   #38
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Snap capsmdo nothing but retained the firing pin's energy.
Sux you are habpving problems. I have always researched a product
or part before I bought it. There is always a reason why one part
is $20 more than the rest. There is also a reason why one particular
brand of part is always sold out, while others sit on shelves. I usually
prefer Colt bolt carrier groups, followed by DD, BCM, LMT.
I have avoided PSA altogether, they have had customer service issues
since day one. They have lower costs on a lot of parts, but now you are
seeing one reason why they are cheaper. Sorry you are having all the issues.
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Old 05-06-2013, 07:33   #39
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Google AR15 function check.
I did this and everything worked as expected. I also checked the trigger to make sure that I installed it correctly and it looks fine. It also functioned 100% with my Bushmaster BCG.

I just spoke with customer service at PSA. At first I spoke with a lady to whom I explained the problem. She asked me to hold and transferred me to a man who asked for the details and said that he couldn't think of what would be causing the issues I'm seeing. He said that he's going to send an email to somebody else and then email me back.
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Old 05-07-2013, 16:20   #40
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Two days and haven't heard a peep from PSA. Really regretting ordering from them now. :-(
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Old 05-07-2013, 16:42   #41
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Two days and haven't heard a peep from PSA. Really regretting ordering from them now. :-(
I called them 2 months ago, mid morning, at the height of the rush and they answered the phone in 4 rings.
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Old 05-07-2013, 17:26   #42
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Two days and haven't heard a peep from PSA. Really regretting ordering from them now. :-(
They have had periods of complete lack of customer service to seemingly
stellar customer service since they day they opened. They have nothing
that I feel I need to warrant dealing with BS customer service.
With PSA, you either get all or nothing, there is no middle ground.
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Old 05-07-2013, 19:01   #43
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I bought a BCG from PSA a week ago, showed up and I wasn't pleased.... MIM gas key, HORRIBLE staking, etc. also the cam pin was locked up.

I sent an email and got a response in an hour advising they would issue a call tag to return it. Been a couple days and don't have the call tag yet.
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Old 05-07-2013, 19:25   #44
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That sucks, awpk03s. The staking on mine is fantastic, but my cam pin binds when I turn it counterclockwise. It acts like a screw and sucks itself in so hard that I have to use pliers to rotate it back out. It functions just fine with snap caps, but gauges deep grooves in the brass of live rounds and jams constantly since it's not actually picking up the round out of the magazine.

I called over a week ago but couldn't get through. The next day I sent an email. I never heard anything in response to my email. Monday I called them bright and early and finally got to talk to somebody who said that he would email somebody else in the company and send me an email. It's been two days now and I still have no heard back.

I started out so excited to find a "quality" BCG - at least that's what I had read about PSA. I'm just so disappointed and frustrated now.
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Old 05-07-2013, 20:59   #45
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I bought a BCG from PSA a week ago, showed up and I wasn't pleased.... MIM gas key, HORRIBLE staking, etc. also the cam pin was locked up.

I sent an email and got a response in an hour advising they would issue a call tag to return it. Been a couple days and don't have the call tag yet.
I saw the thread on AR15 about the recent BCGs. PSA is denying the gas keys are MIM but it is obvious from the pics posted they are MIM. Not a good mark for PSA in my book.
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Old 05-07-2013, 21:08   #46
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really glad i did not pick up my BCG from them, though i am still in need of two. i did order two uppers, which are waiting at home for my inspection when i get there. but i am less worried about potential issues with the upper than a BCG.
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Old 05-07-2013, 21:41   #47
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Wow, thanks for the tip, dfk. I found this thread with lots of people complaining about the recent BCGs from PSA.

http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_118/6...e_.html&page=1

No wonder why they won't reply. It sounds like lots of people are complaining. :-(
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Old 05-07-2013, 21:57   #48
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That is one of the threads about them. The one I was reading was closed by the mods and had about 5 pages. It was conveniently closed shortly after PSA chimed in.

Seems to me like they are putting out whatever they can get while the market is still hot.
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Old 05-08-2013, 21:27   #49
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I called today and got info on how to return it. I'll probably stop by UPS on my way to work on Friday and ship it back. Kinda sad that I'm back to square one and looking for a BCG again. :-/
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I bought a BCG from PSA a week ago, showed up and I wasn't pleased.... MIM gas key, HORRIBLE staking, etc. also the cam pin was locked up.

I sent an email and got a response in an hour advising they would issue a call tag to return it. Been a couple days and don't have the call tag yet.
I got my UPS calltag last night, and mine is on it's way back today.
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