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Old 04-28-2013, 22:30   #21
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The best brand of AR-15 right now is the Wait-9-To-12-Months-For-Things-Cool-Down-And-Don't-Get-Raped-On-Price-Or-Selection model. I heard it's your best option right now from my brother's friend's sister's uncle.
Price and availability and getting closer and closer to being half way reasonable everyday. Now it's just the ammo situation I am hoping will cool off soon.

OP- The Colt 6920 is a great choice.
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Old 04-28-2013, 22:32   #22
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Great advice. I will also be in the market soon when the market is flooded with used ones.
This. There are going to be lots of AR15s on the used market soon, too.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:13   #23
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How much money are you looking to spend?
What will you be using the AR for?
What makes/models does your local guy stock?
Carbine or mid Length?
DI or Piston?

BEFORE you buy, make sure you read as much information as you can and educate yourself.
He's got some bushmaster, colt, and one HK.

I'm definitely thinking carbine and piston. Probably going to do it through gun broker since my LGS only has so much. Thanks much for be input so far guys


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Old 04-29-2013, 09:21   #24
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He's got some bushmaster, colt, and one HK.

I'm definitely thinking carbine and piston. Probably going to do it through gun broker since my LGS only has so much. Thanks much for be input so far guys


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You haven't done any reading then have you? Why piston? There is no good reason you should choose a piston AR for your first platform rifle. Get the Colt if you must buy this soon. Otherwise, save your pennies and READ before you make a mistake you regret in 6 months.
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He's got some bushmaster, colt, and one HK.

I'm definitely thinking carbine and piston. Probably going to do it through gun broker since my LGS only has so much. Thanks much for be input so far guys


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I agree with the comment above about piston not being a good first AR.
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Old 04-29-2013, 09:43   #26
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Piston ARs are an answer to an unasked question.

Colt had a piston prototype in the 1960s. The Army said no.

They had another one years later. Again, the Army said no. Didn't do anything better than what already existed. And they do add issues with accuracy and wear.
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OP of the three you listed Colt 1st, HK 2nd, Bushmaster 3rd !
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Be aware that most HK "416" rifles in the U.S. are not actually such. They are MR556s which are substantially different internally. If you *must* have a piston, I would go with a gun designed around the piston system (Scar, AK, FAL, Tavor, etc).
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Quality DI AR-15 is the way to go. Colt, Spikes, Daniel Defense, Noveske, LaRue tactical, KAC or BCM are the only options I'd consider. Can't go wrong with a stock Colt 6920 if you find one stock for Wal-Mart price, especially if you don't know how you want to set your rifle up (what works for you). Most people go through a stage of trial and error before figuring out "what works for me", listening to the advice of advanced shooters is usually a good way to skip some of that trial and error (and money).

Without getting into crazy details, IMO Daniel Defense makes the best rifle for the money, I'd recommend a DD M4 V5 or V7 in LW, but don't overpay, pre-panic the V5 could be had for 1,300-1,400, V7 is newer but should be 100-150ish cheaper.

DD makes some good fixed irons, but I'd skip their irons and go Troy folding w/ tritium inserts (personal preference), get a H-1 or T-1 on a DD, LaRue or ADM mount (I'd go ADM absolute co-witness but this is personal preference). I'd throw a Giessele SSA or SSA-E trigger on it, BCM Mod 4 (ambi) or Raptor charging handle, MS4 sling, Inforce WML and possible a Magpul AFG, RVG or hands top (KAC) depending on your shooting style (DD comes with a nice vertical foregrip) and I'd call it a day. Zero the rifle in at 50 meters and you'll have an outstanding lightweight 0-200/250 meter rifle.
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Quality DI AR-15 is the way to go. Colt, Spikes, Daniel Defense, Noveske, LaRue tactical, KAC or BCM are the only options I'd consider. Can't go wrong with a stock Colt 6920 if you find one stock for Wal-Mart price, especially if you don't know how you want to set your rifle up (what works for you). Most people go through a stage of trial and error before figuring out "what works for me", listening to the advice of advanced shooters is usually a good way to skip some of that trial and error (and money).

Without getting into crazy details, IMO Daniel Defense makes the best rifle for the money, I'd recommend a DD M4 V5 or V7 in LW, but don't overpay, pre-panic the V5 could be had for 1,300-1,400, V7 is newer but should be 100-150ish cheaper.

DD makes some good fixed irons, but I'd skip their irons and go Troy folding w/ tritium inserts (personal preference), get a H-1 or T-1 on a DD, LaRue or ADM mount (I'd go ADM absolute co-witness but this is personal preference). I'd throw a Giessele SSA or SSA-E trigger on it, BCM Mod 4 (ambi) or Raptor charging handle, MS4 sling, Inforce WML and possible a Magpul AFG, RVG or hands top (KAC) depending on your shooting style (DD comes with a nice vertical foregrip) and I'd call it a day. Zero the rifle in at 50 meters and you'll have an outstanding lightweight 0-200/250 meter rifle.
You definitely pointed me in the right direction, I appreciate it!


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Glad I can help, it's info I'd tell myself if I could travel back in time, def would have saved myself some cash.
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Daniel Defense had a price increase at SHOT this year. We are one of their biggest direct dealers and have a decent assortment in stock



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Old 04-29-2013, 18:08   #33
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I hate to be the bad guy, but those prices are high. Local brick & mortar has at least 1 DD M4 V5 hanging on the wall 1,500 (a shop not exactly known for great prices), I have my name at the top of a list with an out of state dealer for 1,300 shipped.
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Marshal at Primary Arms is a great guy and I bought my Eotech and other optics from him. I highly encourage doing business with them. With that said are you wanting to spend $1,500 on your first AR before you mount a red dot? You will be well over $2k with a finished rifle. I know the buy once cry once which is why I bought the Eotech. I haven't priced new Colts lately, but last I heard they were in the $1100-$1200 range. As soon as you start accessorizing your rifle it quickly goes up from there in $50-100 increments.

Building my own gun with a BCM upper & BCG, which is always mentioned in the same quality list as Colt and DD, I came in around $1,000 after sling, mounts, and Magpul back up sight.

With that said if you think you might resale then buy the Colt or DD because they will hold their value better in normal times.
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I haven't priced new Colts lately, but last I heard they were in the $1100-$1200 range.
$997 at your local Wal-Mart, I would recommend waiting if you can't find one there versus overpaying. We're at that awkward moment when dealers are delusional about the price consumers are willing to pay based on what people were paying during the great false alarm of 2013. Stock is coming back because people aren't paying those prices. And yes even the traditional sources for good prices are still on the high side.

To the OP do your research when it comes to price. I recommend waiting it out rather than over paying. I have thousands that I'll be spending from saving once prices come back to normal. I'll be damned if I'm going to overpay for anything!
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I hate to be the bad guy, but those prices are high. Local brick & mortar has at least 1 DD M4 V5 hanging on the wall 1,500 (a shop not exactly known for great prices), I have my name at the top of a list with an out of state dealer for 1,300 shipped.
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As a Daniel Defense factory direct on line dealer we have pricing guidelines that we have to follow. Forum members learn that contacting site sponsors direct before making a large purchase is a good thing to do.
Well that makes sense considering the more than fair prices Primary Arms has kept even during the panic. I think we all appreciate that.
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Your first AR should be a AK..
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Your first AR should be a AK..
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So I'm buying my first AR next month from my LGS... Any suggestions? Appreciate the input.


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First determine your budget and how much you can afford for the rifle,ammo and magazines along with tools and other equipment needed to maintain/use the rifle.
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