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Old 05-12-2013, 19:15   #1
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Help with upgrade parts - Springfield LW Champion Operator

So I scored one of these recently. I really like it, but had a bunch of failure to feeds with FMJ at the range. Didn't mater which type of mag I used (Springfield and Wilson 47D). It didn't happen every mag, but it happened a lot.

It also has the stupid two piece screw together guide rod. I found after shooting a mag the rod would loosen so I kept having to tighten it up during my range trip which was a PITA.

I also was told most of the parts are MIM so I plan to slowly upgrade items to tool steel.

First up, i'm grabbing the EGW 4" guide rod kit:

http://www.egwguns.com/guide-rod-kit...od-spring-kit/

I was also thinking while i'm at it to upgrade the extractor. Would this be the one i'm looking for?

http://www.egwguns.com/extractors/eg...tor-series-70/

From what I read I believe this is a Series 70 1911.

I'm hoping with these two parts my FTFs will disappear. I read another forum where a 4" 1911 was having this failure and changing out to the EGW kit smoothed up the gun and his issue disappeared.
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Old 05-12-2013, 19:40   #2
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Have you checked the extractor tension?
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Old 05-12-2013, 19:43   #3
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EDIT: Yep, just checked tension. From my limited experience it seems ok. If I put the round in the extractor and hold the slide in the correct orientation the nose of the bullet dips slightly down. It isn't super hard to put it and it isn't super easy. Either way I want to upgrade to a higher quality extractor.

Found a WC guide rod kit that I think will work in the Springfield, even though it isn't listed. Which one would you go with?

http://shopwilsoncombat.com/Flat-Wir...oductinfo/651/

http://www.egwguns.com/guide-rod-kit...od-spring-kit/

I'm now looking at three extractors:

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index....ow&ref=CS0021B

http://www.egwguns.com/extractors/eg...tor-series-70/

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/110...series-70-blue

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Old 05-12-2013, 19:52   #4
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Not sure about that Wilson guide rod set.
As for the extractor,.....all are solid pieces.
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Old 05-12-2013, 21:37   #5
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I ordered the EGW spring kit and am going to order the WC extractor because i'm placing an order for some Wilson Elite mags.
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Old 05-16-2013, 20:50   #6
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Bit of an update now:

Waiting for my Wilson ETM mags and extractor.

My EGW guide rod kit came tonight so I installed it and went back to the range. I have not touched or changed anything on the gun from the first range trip beside a cleaning and oiling.

First mag, first round....failure to feed. Second mag same thing. Third mag two FTFs, first round and the 3rd or 4th. On the fourth mag's FTF I used my leatherman to push the extractor only, sure enough it went into battery. The rim of the cartridge is getting stopped before it goes into the extractor claw, which like others mentioned...a too tight extractor.

I packed up and came home and watched a video how to check the tension properly. With a live round it took a pretty good shaking to get the round out. I removed the extractor and loosened it a bit. After a few tries I got it to where I think it is correct. Reinstalled everything and decided to try cycling ammo through it as I can't hit the range till tomorrow night.

Loaded up a 47D with 8 rounds, slide locked back. I used the slide release on all 8 without one FTF. 2nd mag did the same except I racked the slide back each time, again without a FTF. Third mag I did the racking method, except I was "helping" or "following" the slide back. Still no FTFs.

Four mags of 8 rounds cycled through it without one FTF. Hopefully tomorrows range trip will confirm its function.

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Old 05-17-2013, 06:16   #7
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I have nothing but fantastic results with these when it comes to extractors and the price is outstanding!





http://www.ozarksurplus.com/USGI-191...1extractor.htm
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Old 05-18-2013, 02:56   #8
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Good choice on the WC BP extractor. I've use those and they are great. The EGW HD extractor is also a good choice.

Sounds like the extractor tension did the trick.

But also look to see if the bullet is hitting or touching the end of the slide stop area. Look for brass markings on the slide stop. If there is, file slightly to remove some extra material. Sometime there's too much on the slide stop and the bullet will catch it, as it's feeding into the chamber.

And while you're replacing the extractor, it's highly recommended to replace the firing pin stop w/ a nicely fitted one. This way, it'll help to keep the new extractor from "clocking" in the slide. This clocking will cause the hook to rotate indiscriminately, thus can lead to all sorts of ejection and feeding issues. EGW's firing pin stop is the choice to use.
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