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Old 05-03-2013, 17:48   #1
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No More 10mm Auto for me...

I stepped up to a Man's cartridge -- 460 Rowland!

Here's my G21L with 24# Wolf Spring and LW Compensator that I put together today:

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(yes - photo taken before I drifted in the rear sight)

Results of todays range time with a Chrony:

185gr Gold Dot Underwood Ammunition = 1630 fps & 1091 ft/lbs

230gr Gold Dot Underwood Ammunition = 1430 fps & 1044 ft/lbs

Definitely 44 Magnum territory!

With this long slide (solid top), 24# Wolf Spring, and LW Compensator -- it felt like target load 45 ACP Ball when shooting the full power 460 Rowland.

Shooting ball through the pistol without changing anything felt like 22 rimfire...
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Old 05-03-2013, 18:01   #2
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some of the 45 ball that I have loaded up is less expensive than 22LR these days..
Nice set up. I'm pretty heavily invested in 10mm but haven't shot it in a while. I always carry my 29sf in my PFD for gators when out on kayak though. Been thinking about upping the barrel length for more speed. Maybe the 21 just needs an upgrade...
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Old 05-03-2013, 18:04   #3
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Any frame battering with the 24lb spring?
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Old 05-03-2013, 18:29   #4
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That will get the job done!

230gr at 1430 fps and .45 cal = Taylor KO 21 which is in mid-range of .44 Magnum. Load a 30-rnd mag and that is mucho ft-lbs (not that a big mag would be practical in the field).

Did you apply Loctite on the threads to fix the compensator? I'm getting away with leaving the Loctite off so far, but haven't shot more than 30 rounds of 460 Rowland ammo at a stretch.
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Old 05-03-2013, 20:39   #5
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No frame battering with the 24# spring. No loctite required -- the LW compensator has an allen screw to lock the comp onto the barrel.

I do have a couple of magazines with the Kriss extensions. 30rds of 460 Rowland would be formidable for sure!
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Old 05-03-2013, 20:45   #6
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While I like the gun, a .44 that is physically smaller than that runs 300g bullets @ 1360+... make the gun the same length as yours and it will shoot 300-310s as fast as you are tossing 230s, and have more sectional density to boot. 460 Rowland is more like warm .45 Colt.

That being said, the idea of a stock length gun running 260g+ bullets appeals to me. 280s @ 1100 would be pretty sweet, though I don't know if it is possible. 255 @ 1200 is sort of standard for .45 Colt, doing it in an auto would be nice...

I have been trying not to think about a Rowland, seeing pics isn't helping anything.

-Edit- which barrel are you using?

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Old 05-03-2013, 20:57   #7
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If it helps any -- my G30 with 460 Rowland Conversion produces the following with the Underwood Ammunition:

185gr Gold Dot = 1475 fps / 893 ft/lbs
230gr Gold Dot = 1250 fps / 797 ft/lbs

Much better than a 10mm Auto G29...

With regards to a 44 Magnum revolver -- 6 shots with slow follow-up and heavy recoil versus 13+1 where you could empty the entire magazine on target in about 2 seconds with no more recoil than 45 ACP -- I'll take the 460 Rowland in the G21L. A 44 Magnum revolver with a 6" barrel is larger and heavier than this G21L as well...

The threaded barrel is 6.61" and the barrel, slide and compensator are all from Lone Wolf. The recoil spring and guide rod are from Wolf springs and non-captured.
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Old 05-03-2013, 21:08   #8
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Very Nice! Pretty impressive numbers also. I look forward to hearing more.

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Old 05-03-2013, 21:11   #9
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I sold off all of my 44 Magnum and 10mm Auto firearms after getting hooked on the 460 Rowland -- so these are two revolvers I could use as comparisons for size with the G21L.

The first is a 5" Rhino in 357 Magnum

The 10 Ring

The second is a 5.5" Single Action revolver in 357 Magnum

The 10 Ring

Maybe it is me -- but I think a 5-6 inch six shooter in 44 Magnum will be bigger, more weight, and more difficult and unpleasant to shoot (and shoot well) than this 460 Rowland G21L.
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I do have a couple of magazines with the Kriss extensions. 30rds of 460 Rowland would be formidable for sure!
That's how I reached my 30 rnd max. of 460R ammo shot in one stretch. I loaded one KRISS MagEx with 460R for a function test. After emptying that through the G30SF 460R conversion I was definitely done with 460R practice for the day. My hands were stinging after that, but it certainly made the 230gr FMJ 45ACP stuff feel soft in comparison.
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If it helps any -- my G30 with 460 Rowland Conversion produces the following with the Underwood Ammunition:

185gr Gold Dot = 1475 fps / 893 ft/lbs
230gr Gold Dot = 1250 fps / 797 ft/lbs
Very impressive!
I've been thinking about a step-up conversion for my G30.
Ammo first though, I mean... the proper conversion isn't worth a d*** if you ain't got ammo!
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True -- but Underwood, Buffalo Bore, and Georgia Arms as well as a couple of other boutique manufacturers load 460 Rowland now. Corbon does as well -- but it is downloaded compared to the rest.
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These are the links I have for 460R ammo sources and a little table of ballistics for heavy ammo shopping:
Factory 460 Rowland ammo is available from Underwood Ammo, Buffalo Bore, Georgia Arms, CorBon, 460Rowland.com, Wilson Combat, Gemini Defense, and JD's Bullets at GunBroker.com Very formidable 255gr HC-FN 460 Rowland ammo for hunting rated at 1300 fps, 957 ft-lbf energy and Taylor KO 21 is available from Buffalo Bore. Other 460 Rowland loads for self-defense and hunting are available from among the seven mentioned suppliers for bullet weights of 185gr (1400-1575 fps, max 1018 ft-lbf and Taylor KO 18), 200gr (1340 fps), 230gr (1200-1400 fps, max 1000 ft-lbf and Taylor KO 20), and 255gr (1100 fps).
Summary of Factory Heavy Ammo Options for Woods Protection - Ballistics Sorted by Taylor KO Factor

TKOF 21 460 Rowland 255gr HC-FN 1300 fps, 957 ft-lbf (Buffalo Bore)
TKOF 20 460 Rowland 230gr Speer Bonded JHP 1400 fps, 1000 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 20 460 Rowland 230gr FMJ-FN 1400 fps, 1000 ft-lbf (460Rowland.com)
TKOF 18 460 Rowland 185gr Speer Bonded JHP 1575 fps, 1018 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 18 460 Rowland 255gr Bonded Core 1100 fps, 685 ft-lbf (CORBON)
TKOF 17 45 Super 255gr HC-FN 1075 fps, 654 ft-lbf (Buffalo Bore)
TKOF 16 40 Super 220gr HC-FN 1350 fps, 890 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 16 40 Super 200gr XTP JHP 1400 fps, 870 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 16 45 Super 230gr Speer Bonded JHP 1100 fps, 618 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 15 10mm Auto 220gr HC-FN 1200 fps, 703 ft-lbf (Underwood and Buffalo Bore)
TKOF 15 45 Super 185gr Speer Bonded JHP 1300 fps, 694 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 14 45ACP +P 230gr Speer Bonded FMJ or JHP 1000 fps, 510 ft-lbf (Underwood)
TKOF 12 400 Corbon 165gr Speer Bonded JHP 1350 fps, 667 ft-lbf (Underwood)
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I have been pondering buying a G21 slide for a .460 project. Big bore snubbie, rifle, and pump shotty keeps getting in the way.
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So what do you plan to shoot besides paper? IMO, those bullets will frag nasty at those velocities, which is fine for variants 'n such but not so good for bigger game like deer, elk and black bear.

A 265 WFN may be a better meat hammer.

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Wow, I didn't realize LW was reaming barrels for .460. I really need a 21 slide so I can spend money on dies and brass for yet another caliber. Would like to see how the heavyweights perform.

Oooh, 255 @ 1300... now to find someone shooting 280+! 300 @ 1050 would work as well.

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So what do you plan to shoot besides paper? IMO, those bullets will frag nasty at those velocities, which is fine for variants 'n such but not so good for bigger game like deer, elk and black bear.

A 265 WFN may be a better meat hammer.

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Good point, I've thought about that too.
But what is 265 WFN?
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American Custom Ammo
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Is offering these "meat hammers" in 460 Rowland:

Utilizing BEARTOOTH conventional bullets BNH-21 (.451):
300 gr. "Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast, Lead - WFN/GC; $135.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
325 gr. "Super Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast Lead - WFN/GC; $139.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
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Wow, I didn't realize LW was reaming barrels for .460.
Yep - any of their G30 or G21 barrels can be reamed to 460 Rowland for $50

http://www.lonewolfdist.com/Detail.a...8&TERM=rowland
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What are you going to do with that monster?

While I enjoy and shoot many calibers. My long range assassination pistol is my CZ-52 with my own loads chambered. If I can see it I can hit it off hand.

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I have fell hard for my G20. My CZ-52 is a .30 cal laser.
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American Custom Ammo
Crestview, FL
(850)689-4553

Is offering these "meat hammers" in 460 Rowland:

Utilizing BEARTOOTH conventional bullets BNH-21 (.451):
300 gr. "Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast, Lead - WFN/GC; $135.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
325 gr. "Super Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast Lead - WFN/GC; $139.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
I realize hard cast is great, extra hard cast should be even better!
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American Custom Ammo
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Thanks for the tip on this 460R ammo source. This is a new one for me.

http://americancustom.tripod.com/
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Can you rapid fire at 25 yards like this?

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American Custom Ammo
Crestview, FL
(850)689-4553

Is offering these "meat hammers" in 460 Rowland:

Utilizing BEARTOOTH conventional bullets BNH-21 (.451):
300 gr. "Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast, Lead - WFN/GC; $135.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
325 gr. "Super Fat Boy" - Extra Hard Cast Lead - WFN/GC; $139.00 per 100 rounds, Brass Cases.
Like I asked, what are you going to shoot besides paper? I mean, fun is fun, but is there anything more to this besides cool (not that cool isn't more than enough)?


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I stepped up to a Man's cartridge -- 460 Rowland!
For a second when you said "manly" I thought you stepped up to the .45 Winchester Magnum, the true manly cartridge but then I saw only 1600 fps in a 185 grain, when the .45 Win Mag can achieve that in a 230 grain.

http://www.underwoodammo.com/45winch...etboxof50.aspx

Just ribbing you a bit. Good luck and enjoy.
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