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Old 06-10-2013, 07:16   #21
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5.7 is a toy caliber. Can't come close to matching a real rifle round and doesn't add any advantage to what a defensive pistol can do. Doesn't have the weight and velocity isn't that much higher. I am sure they are fun to shoot though. JMO.

Hmmmm? several threads the poster say don't give me antidotal data, we need real data. I give the pistol, the cartridge, the data. The cartridge out preformed the average kill rate by large percentage.

So what do the posters say.....that it is a toy, not a real gun. fun to shoot. The tackiest post you have seen.

So do you want real data and a gun with a proven track record or do want to continue to keeping guessing?

For a few years I kept hunting journal. I shot over 30 pigs with the 5,7 x 28 and failed to recover one. now I must have close to 50 pigs shot with the 5.7. Now all of the guys that say it is a toy, I'd like to know exactly how many animals you have taken with the 5.7 and how many you failed to recover?

LOL either way is OK with me. I suspect that the guys who think it is a toy have no experience with it so I am not sure what they their assumption is based on
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Old 06-10-2013, 09:59   #22
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I don't have a ballistic gel but do have bullets shot into clay

5.7 vs 45 apc

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Old 06-10-2013, 10:06   #23
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I am really not trying to get you to carry a 5.7. I am not even trying to convince you it is an adequate carry round. I do think it would be good if a poster had the necessary field time with a caliber before they post a conclusion on the round.



PS I personally would not carry a 5.7 as a LEO. Although we saw Hickock45 shoot thru a car door, I have no experience shooting thru solid structure with the intent of hitting what is in the other side. actually when I carry the 5.7 it is just for the reason I hope it won't shoot thru walls or exit a BG.
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Old 06-10-2013, 10:40   #24
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one more. a friend saw the saw thread and sent me a link. this is the SS195LF, a 27 gr copper bullet that does not have a closed tip. there is a hole about 1/32" in the tip.

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Old 06-10-2013, 18:04   #25
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It's a range toy. I stand by my original assertion. Sorry, just cause you have a contradictory opinion, doesn't mean I will change mine.

If you are hunting at medium to long ranges, the 5.7 will offer no advantage over a high-powered rifle round, such as 5.56, .243, .270, .308, etc. And if you are using it in a defensive manner, it will also not do anything that serious defensive caliber with quality hollow points won't do.

I would say over 95% of FN 5.7 owners bought theirs to plink with at the range, as a TOY. They are the equivalent of a jet ski, snowmobile or 4-wheeler.

Again, just my opinion. You can argue opinions, but it is comparable to pissing into the wind.

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Old 06-10-2013, 18:29   #26
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A .22 cal, 31 grain projectile at 2,400 ft/s or less is still a .22 cal, 31 grain projectile at 2,400 ft/s or less.

Good sir, you have placed your your faith in the venerable K-Hornet.

As said earlier, I find the round interesting. However, after 14 years of working in my field, I have great difficulty putting my faith in it. Pigs and gelatin are not angry, amped up people. It has great potential as a low recoil, low noise vermin or target round. A reloadable, souped up .22WMR with a reliable headspace would be head and (pun)shoulder above the hornet or .22 win mag.
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Old 06-10-2013, 18:34   #27
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On a less antagonistic note:

Good work on describing the shot placement on the pigs. You know your prey pretty damn well.
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Old 06-10-2013, 18:55   #28
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It has great potential as a low recoil, low noise vermin or target round.
It is good for that. Those fragile little bullets are great for ground-hogs and other vermin under 25 pounds.

As a defensive round- there are much better options available than the 5.7
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Old 06-10-2013, 19:11   #29
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I won't lie, a 40 grain TSX would be veeeeery interesting(I am one of those idjits who believe placement is king and penetration is queen) but I still will not trust the 5.7 outside of a critter gitter until many, many, many more OiSs are analyzed and declared successes for the round. Defining that success is a whole different thread. Carry what you want. I hope your rounds are used on nought but pigs and paper.
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Old 06-10-2013, 21:43   #30
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Defining that success is a whole different thread. Carry what you want. I hope your rounds are used on nought but pigs and paper.
I hope it is just paper and pigs also.

I enjoy discussing this stuff. this was a good one I thought. when it get real continuous, I think the discussion loses it's entertainment value. I never think I am going to make in traction changing someone's mind nor do I want to. If your are happy with your rig, I am happy for ya.

It is a fun gun.
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Old 06-11-2013, 07:31   #31
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As a self defense choice I'd like to know what it's track record is outside of multiple shots from SWAT submachine guns?
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Old 06-11-2013, 09:45   #32
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While I enjoy mine, unfortunately we know how well the FN 5.7 works against people. It was the handgun that the Fort Hood shooter used.
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Old 06-11-2013, 17:06   #33
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I have the set . I also have the PS90. Since I have hunted the 5.7 x 28, I have never searched for citations about it's effectiveness. I do remember it was used in a shoot out by Houston officers in 2003. I searched for an official citation of the event Only found this more or less hearsay citation

Written by Sandy Wall

"Houston SWAT was involved with the first and only [LEO] lethal engagement with the weapon to date." (2003)

"In the one shooting we had with the P90, the bullet performed well. In fact, the bullet performed exactly as it was designed. The autopsy provided detailed information about the wound cavity and travel of the bullets. None of the 5.7mm rounds fragmented and as far as we can tell, none exited either. The shooting itself was a violent confrontation with many rounds exchanged between the suspect and the react team. The suspect was hit multiple times with both 5.56mm and 5.7mm rounds."
"The 5.7mm ball produces a wound cavity about the size and shape of the best 9mm 115 grain JHP +P+, except the peak occurs at a deeper penetration."
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I have the set . I also have the PS90. Since I have hunted the 5.7 x 28, I have never searched for citations about it's effectiveness. I do remember it was used in a shoot out by Houston officers in 2003. I searched for an official citation of the event Only found this more or less hearsay citation...

Brownsville, TX PD SWAT tried it and it failed miserably in at least two CONTACT DISTANCE shootings as it did not penetrate the perps. They dropped it from service. One of the SWAT guys told me this in person. Word.
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Brownsville, TX PD SWAT tried it and it failed miserably in at least two CONTACT DISTANCE shootings as it did not penetrate the perps. They dropped it from service. One of the SWAT guys told me this in person. Word.
I have heard such also. it is easy to find internet posts pro and con for the 5.7 x 28. I don't believe much of it either way. I have not had a problem.

I guess if someone wanted to know the citable facts it would cost $25. I am pretty sure I know exactly what is says

http://store.academicfp.com/a-case-o...8mm-ammunition
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Rusty,

Don't be disheartened by the naysayers. I still fear getting shot by the 5.7 as I do many other calibers wether I carry them or not.

I think the piggies in your freezer are on my side.
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Rusty,

Don't be disheartened by the naysayers. I still fear getting shot by the 5.7 as I do many other calibers wether I carry them or not.

I think the piggies in your freezer are on my side.
It makes it difficult since there are 4 factory loadings for the 5.7 from 27 to 40 grs. the round info is seldom given with the citation of an incident. the loads act differently under various circumstance.

it's ok I don't think the 5.7 will save the world. It is just a useful pistols in the right hands,

the round is interesting but the pistol is a jewel. light weight, accurate, very controllable.....and 20 rounds
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The ballistic tips out of a PS90 act a bit differently than the plastic tip 22 mag rounds out of a rifle. Substantially different. Never fooled with the round in a handgun.
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I have the set . I also have the PS90. ..........
http://www.gunblast.com/FrankJames_FNPS90.htm
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That is true right now for a lot of ammo but the five seven ammo is indeed high but shoots nicely because of low recoil.
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