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Old 06-22-2013, 13:24   #41
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Agreed.

You want to live in a two-class society, move to Russia.

We're all Americans, or we're not.

I'm willing to hoist the Rigid Digit to anyone that favors this.

Divide and conquer, a communist tactic approved by most anyone not on the dirty end of the lollipop.
Yes, this is America.

In Washington DC and every state capital, county seat and town/city hall, there are special interest groups and lobbyists. They all thrive because this is America.

These special interest groups and lobbyists work for a select group of people. When the NRA lobbies in Washington for 2A issues, they're not thinking about how to save you and me some money for Obamacare.

When big oil lobbies in your state capital, they're not lobbying about your 2A rights.

When teachers lobby their state representatives for raises, they're not lobbying for highway infrastructure improvements so the construction industry can have more construction jobs.

And so on and so on and so on.


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Old 06-22-2013, 13:26   #44
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I believe all laws should be applied equally to all people.
All laws aren't applied evenly to all people, because there are exemptions within some laws.

The military gets to use missiles, doctors can practice medicine, lawyers can argue in court, and cops can carry guns in places everyone else can't.

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Old 06-22-2013, 13:34   #45
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You forgot one, so I'll add it in here...

We sacrificed for 20+ years protecting the factory workers and all the others who wouldn't do the dirty work that society demands be done.

The exact same logic applies to the Army infantryman or the Marine rifleman who spends the same amount of time or more, willing to experience and suffer unimaginable crap for the unable, the unwilling, and the ungrateful. It is why they get educational benefits and healthcare for life. They earned it.

If that bothers the bullies of GNG, feel free to go enlist or apply, then show us how its done.
There it is, in spades. Also, as Sean said, our mission should be to chip away at this BS any way we can. And, as our friend from Texas said, and I mean no disrespect, I have no intention of ever setting foot in a heavily Communist state again, and I also make every reasonable effort not to send any business to such a state.

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Old 06-22-2013, 13:50   #46
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Demanding equal outcomes for all! You sound just like Obama.
It's the education system that has failed and it shows up in every part of the political spectrum. As children they are taught to believe all outcomes should be "fair".

Occupy Wall Street = "I have a degree in art history and nobody has offered me a 120K/yr job. It's not fair"

Conservatives= "Somebody gets to have more ammo in their gun. It's not fair"

Teenagers= "How come I have to be home at 11:00 . Other kids get to stay out 'till after midnight. It's not fair"


Somebody needs to start teaching the facts. You have the right to pursue happiness there are no guarantees about getting it.

This all just plays into the politics of envy. A great way for liberal policies to be slipped into any party if you can get the people to buy the false premise about "fairness" .
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I believe all laws should be applied equally to all people.
In fact, military and uniformed (usually first responders) have less 1A rights than the general public. Not to mention stricter employment standards that can cause you to be fired; mandatory drug testing at any random time. The list goes on where their rights are more restricted.
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Sean, I'm a bit dubious about this purported ''exemption''. I read what ''may'' be how the modification works. Seems kind of conviluted and I'm simply not sure who it's going to impact.

Can you clarify the bottom line a bit?

Thanks!
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In my eyes EVERY piece of the egregious SAFE act that is chipped away is a victory for all. The ultimate goal is to have the whole thing rescinded.
I understand your point and plan and concur with the ultimate goal. But I'd rather the SAFE act and similar acts be rescinded in total, not piece by piece.

United we stand divided we fall.
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cops can carry guns in places everyone else can't.

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Why should cops (retired cops) have more privileges than any other retired person? If they are not felons .....
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Sean, I'm a bit dubious about this purported ''exemption''. I read what ''may'' be how the modification works. Seems kind of conviluted and I'm simply not sure who it's going to impact.

Can you clarify the bottom line a bit?

Thanks!

Chief;

Your post made me read the pending bill. It is not as broad as I was originally lead to believe. It only exempts retired NYS LEO's from the ammunition limitation and only for duty weapons that they qualified with while active with their agency. It also provides for having to qualify with such weapons every three years.

The bill is a pig with lipstick on it.

My apologies for putting forth an inaccurate statement of its' exemption coverage. This bill does nothing for out of state retirees coming into NY.

Sorry. I will edit the original description.
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Old 06-22-2013, 15:27   #52
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Why should cops (retired cops) have more privileges than any other retired person? If they are not felons .....
Read the preamble or legislative intent of this law (or any law) to understand why it was introduced.

Whether you agree with the stated intent, or not, is another matter.
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Old 06-22-2013, 15:37   #53
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In fact, military and uniformed (usually first responders) have less 1A rights than the general public. Not to mention stricter employment standards that can cause you to be fired; mandatory drug testing at any random time. The list goes on where their rights are more restricted.
Been there done that, still applies. Conditions of employment. Served in the USN. Our ship was specifically targeted twice. The bad guys were splashed, by an other ship's assets. It is stressful knowing that your ship is the target / bait.

Currently work for company and had to pass a drug test before the first interview. Random tests are the norm.

Pre-employment and follow up screenings are common in the civilian work place.

The crew feared the drug sniffing dogs. Copter from the carrier .................. O-stuf .... got to move my stash.
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Chief;

Your post made me read the pending bill. It is not as broad as I was originally lead to believe. It only exempts retired NYS LEO's from the ammunition limitation and only for duty weapons that they qualified with while active with their agency. It also provides for having to qualify with such weapons every three years.

The bill is a pig with lipstick on it.

My apologies for putting forth an inaccurate statement of its' exemption coverage. This bill does nothing for out of state retirees coming into NY.



Sorry. I will edit the original description.
Sean, bill kinda sucks......
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Yeah, I am very PO'ed at myself for having put forth an erroneous description of it. I relied on the info I got from a phone call this morning.

It was stupid of me to not read the actual bill prior to posting.

Again, my apologies.
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All laws aren't applied evenly to all people, because there are exemptions within some laws.
Laws are not applied evenly????????????????????????

If this is the case we are doomed.
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On the other hand, once in place it could be modified...
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Why should cops (retired cops) have more privileges than any other retired person? If they are not felons .....
Why do doctors get to operate on people? I want to operate on people. I think if be really good at it, but I'm not LICENSED, so if I get caught operating on someone without a license, I would be put in prison.

That's not fair. I really want to operate on someone, and I think that I'm just as capable as any doctor.


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Laws are not applied evenly????????????????????????

If this is the case we are doomed.
Why don't you try looking at my entire post.

If you can't understand my point, I can't explain it to you.


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On the other hand, once in place it could be modified...

If it is bad, do not pass it and try to modify it latter.

Just say no.
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