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Old 06-22-2013, 15:26   #51
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Sean, I'm a bit dubious about this purported ''exemption''. I read what ''may'' be how the modification works. Seems kind of conviluted and I'm simply not sure who it's going to impact.

Can you clarify the bottom line a bit?

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Chief;

Your post made me read the pending bill. It is not as broad as I was originally lead to believe. It only exempts retired NYS LEO's from the ammunition limitation and only for duty weapons that they qualified with while active with their agency. It also provides for having to qualify with such weapons every three years.

The bill is a pig with lipstick on it.

My apologies for putting forth an inaccurate statement of its' exemption coverage. This bill does nothing for out of state retirees coming into NY.

Sorry. I will edit the original description.
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Old 06-22-2013, 15:27   #52
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Why should cops (retired cops) have more privileges than any other retired person? If they are not felons .....
Read the preamble or legislative intent of this law (or any law) to understand why it was introduced.

Whether you agree with the stated intent, or not, is another matter.
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In fact, military and uniformed (usually first responders) have less 1A rights than the general public. Not to mention stricter employment standards that can cause you to be fired; mandatory drug testing at any random time. The list goes on where their rights are more restricted.
Been there done that, still applies. Conditions of employment. Served in the USN. Our ship was specifically targeted twice. The bad guys were splashed, by an other ship's assets. It is stressful knowing that your ship is the target / bait.

Currently work for company and had to pass a drug test before the first interview. Random tests are the norm.

Pre-employment and follow up screenings are common in the civilian work place.

The crew feared the drug sniffing dogs. Copter from the carrier .................. O-stuf .... got to move my stash.
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Chief;

Your post made me read the pending bill. It is not as broad as I was originally lead to believe. It only exempts retired NYS LEO's from the ammunition limitation and only for duty weapons that they qualified with while active with their agency. It also provides for having to qualify with such weapons every three years.

The bill is a pig with lipstick on it.

My apologies for putting forth an inaccurate statement of its' exemption coverage. This bill does nothing for out of state retirees coming into NY.



Sorry. I will edit the original description.
Sean, bill kinda sucks......
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Yeah, I am very PO'ed at myself for having put forth an erroneous description of it. I relied on the info I got from a phone call this morning.

It was stupid of me to not read the actual bill prior to posting.

Again, my apologies.
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All laws aren't applied evenly to all people, because there are exemptions within some laws.
Laws are not applied evenly????????????????????????

If this is the case we are doomed.
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On the other hand, once in place it could be modified...
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Why should cops (retired cops) have more privileges than any other retired person? If they are not felons .....
Why do doctors get to operate on people? I want to operate on people. I think if be really good at it, but I'm not LICENSED, so if I get caught operating on someone without a license, I would be put in prison.

That's not fair. I really want to operate on someone, and I think that I'm just as capable as any doctor.


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Laws are not applied evenly????????????????????????

If this is the case we are doomed.
Why don't you try looking at my entire post.

If you can't understand my point, I can't explain it to you.


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On the other hand, once in place it could be modified...

If it is bad, do not pass it and try to modify it latter.

Just say no.
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Training

Life experience

Sound judgement under stress

A track record of making life and death decisions

Maturity

Knowledge of all applicable state statutes

A track record of risking one's life to save and protect others
You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
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Demanding equal outcomes for all! You sound just like Obama.
And you sound like you think you are entitled, too, just like a lot of Obama supporters. I don't care what one does for a living, soldier, fireman, or cop. All you are entitled to is your pension, not extra "perks" like one might have gotten in the Soviet Union.
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Been there done that, still applies. Conditions of employment. Served in the USN. Our ship was specifically targeted twice. The bad guys were splashed, by an other ship's assets. It is stressful knowing that your ship is the target / bait.
OK, thanks for your service. So do you qualify for VA hospital, PX and all those bennies?
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
I know a doctor who is retired and he still has privilege's at the County hospital . Is that some sense of entitlement or should everybody in the County be able to reserve the facilities to perform procedures


Get the big boy pants on and accept the real world the way it is.
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The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
And I'm sure you know from GNG threads, many retired LE after serving 20, 25 or even 30 years to qualify for a pension, are facing their pensions being taken away from them piece by piece.

So a LEO does whatever he/she is required of them for 20, 25 or even 30 years. Just so they're eligible for that pension. Then the pension system unilaterally says... "sorry, but we're taking this and that away..."

What have YOU done to stop that injustice?
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And I'm sure you know from GNG threads, many retired LE after serving 20, 25 or even 30 years to qualify for a pension, are facing their pensions being taken away from them piece by piece.

So a LEO does whatever he/she are required of them for 20, 25 or even 30 years. Just so they're eligible for that pension. Then the pension system unilaterally says... "sorry, but we're taking this and that away..."

What have YOU done to stop that injustice?
If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
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I know a doctor who is retired and he still has privilege's at the County hospital . Is that some sense of entitlement or should everybody in the County be able to reserve the facilities to perform procedures


Get the big boy pants on and accept the real world the way it is.
Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
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I don't care what one does for a living, soldier, fireman, or cop. All you are entitled to is your pension...
So you agree that a pension promise made to a newly hired LEO 20, 25, 30 years ago, and which he/she fulfilled to the "T," should now be honored by the pension system to the "T." Right?

No excuses from the system about how they have no money today, etc... Shut up and pay up, right?
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If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
That's quite a change from your previous posts about how all a LEO is entitled to after 20 to 30 years of service of keeping you, your family and your community safe, is their pension.

Expect "special treatment" or "roll over and play dead?" That's your and your union's decision. And if your union decided to get a lobbyist to get something better, you'd consider that as special privileges for your union members?
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
And I'd bet that pension burns your ass too..

I wish we could go back to a prosperous economy, for the obvious reasons as well as the fact that people stop *****ing about how good cops and firemen have it..
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If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
You were part of a union that had a union run retirement plan and then the union's system made some "bad investments?"
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That's quite a change from your previous posts about how all a LEO is entitled to after 20 to 30 years of service of keeping you, your family and your community safe, is their pension.

Expect "special treatment" or "roll over and play dead?" That's your and your union's decision. And if your union decided to get a lobbyist to get something better, you'd consider that as special privileges for your union members?
I feel anyone who has put their time into a job that provide a pension has the right to expect that pension. In my case, I got a letter from my union in 2006 saying there was $106 million in the pension fund. in 2008 I got another letter stating, due to bad investments, the fund was dry. Sure, it pisses me off. I was kind of counting on it. now I will have to work until I can't stand up or am dead. But what can I do but just keep going?

But I still feel that all anyone is entitled to wen they retire is their pension. Some may think we are all equal, but some are more equal than others. I don't.
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Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
Perhaps you should accept that some privileges carry on after retirement and get over it.

Or

You could answer the question.

Should everyone in the County be able to use the hospital facilities if a retired doctor is allowed to ?
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Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
Read my previous posts about how cops have more of their rights restricted than civilians.

Also, if you don't understand the purpose, or "whys," of these laws, I recommend you read their preamble or the legislative intent. If you disagree as to the "why," recognize that that's just your personal bias.
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Perhaps you should accept that some privileges carry on after retirement and get over it.

Or

You could answer the question.

Should everyone in the County be able to use the hospital facilities if a retired doctor is allowed to ?
And if such "privileges" are so important to the poster, perhaps he should have made the decision to be a LEO or MD.

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