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Old 06-22-2013, 16:15   #61
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
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Old 06-22-2013, 16:19   #62
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Demanding equal outcomes for all! You sound just like Obama.
And you sound like you think you are entitled, too, just like a lot of Obama supporters. I don't care what one does for a living, soldier, fireman, or cop. All you are entitled to is your pension, not extra "perks" like one might have gotten in the Soviet Union.
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Old 06-22-2013, 16:24   #63
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Been there done that, still applies. Conditions of employment. Served in the USN. Our ship was specifically targeted twice. The bad guys were splashed, by an other ship's assets. It is stressful knowing that your ship is the target / bait.
OK, thanks for your service. So do you qualify for VA hospital, PX and all those bennies?
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Old 06-22-2013, 16:31   #64
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
I know a doctor who is retired and he still has privilege's at the County hospital . Is that some sense of entitlement or should everybody in the County be able to reserve the facilities to perform procedures


Get the big boy pants on and accept the real world the way it is.
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The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
And I'm sure you know from GNG threads, many retired LE after serving 20, 25 or even 30 years to qualify for a pension, are facing their pensions being taken away from them piece by piece.

So a LEO does whatever he/she is required of them for 20, 25 or even 30 years. Just so they're eligible for that pension. Then the pension system unilaterally says... "sorry, but we're taking this and that away..."

What have YOU done to stop that injustice?
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Old 06-22-2013, 16:37   #66
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And I'm sure you know from GNG threads, many retired LE after serving 20, 25 or even 30 years to qualify for a pension, are facing their pensions being taken away from them piece by piece.

So a LEO does whatever he/she are required of them for 20, 25 or even 30 years. Just so they're eligible for that pension. Then the pension system unilaterally says... "sorry, but we're taking this and that away..."

What have YOU done to stop that injustice?
If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
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I know a doctor who is retired and he still has privilege's at the County hospital . Is that some sense of entitlement or should everybody in the County be able to reserve the facilities to perform procedures


Get the big boy pants on and accept the real world the way it is.
Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
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I don't care what one does for a living, soldier, fireman, or cop. All you are entitled to is your pension...
So you agree that a pension promise made to a newly hired LEO 20, 25, 30 years ago, and which he/she fulfilled to the "T," should now be honored by the pension system to the "T." Right?

No excuses from the system about how they have no money today, etc... Shut up and pay up, right?
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If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
That's quite a change from your previous posts about how all a LEO is entitled to after 20 to 30 years of service of keeping you, your family and your community safe, is their pension.

Expect "special treatment" or "roll over and play dead?" That's your and your union's decision. And if your union decided to get a lobbyist to get something better, you'd consider that as special privileges for your union members?
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
And I'd bet that pension burns your ass too..

I wish we could go back to a prosperous economy, for the obvious reasons as well as the fact that people stop *****ing about how good cops and firemen have it..
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If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
You were part of a union that had a union run retirement plan and then the union's system made some "bad investments?"
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That's quite a change from your previous posts about how all a LEO is entitled to after 20 to 30 years of service of keeping you, your family and your community safe, is their pension.

Expect "special treatment" or "roll over and play dead?" That's your and your union's decision. And if your union decided to get a lobbyist to get something better, you'd consider that as special privileges for your union members?
I feel anyone who has put their time into a job that provide a pension has the right to expect that pension. In my case, I got a letter from my union in 2006 saying there was $106 million in the pension fund. in 2008 I got another letter stating, due to bad investments, the fund was dry. Sure, it pisses me off. I was kind of counting on it. now I will have to work until I can't stand up or am dead. But what can I do but just keep going?

But I still feel that all anyone is entitled to wen they retire is their pension. Some may think we are all equal, but some are more equal than others. I don't.
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Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
Perhaps you should accept that some privileges carry on after retirement and get over it.

Or

You could answer the question.

Should everyone in the County be able to use the hospital facilities if a retired doctor is allowed to ?
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Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
Read my previous posts about how cops have more of their rights restricted than civilians.

Also, if you don't understand the purpose, or "whys," of these laws, I recommend you read their preamble or the legislative intent. If you disagree as to the "why," recognize that that's just your personal bias.
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Perhaps you should accept that some privileges carry on after retirement and get over it.

Or

You could answer the question.

Should everyone in the County be able to use the hospital facilities if a retired doctor is allowed to ?
And if such "privileges" are so important to the poster, perhaps he should have made the decision to be a LEO or MD.

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But I still feel that all anyone is entitled to wen they retire is their pension. Some may think we are all equal, but some are more equal than others. I don't.
First, I'm sorry about your pension situation. At my age (old), I understand how important a pension is, as part of the total retirement package.

And the grass is always greener on the other side. LEOs have less rights than non-LEOs and LEOs' freedoms are more restricted. You won't believe how many retired LEOs say their first taste of freedom is when they realize their 1A has been restored. They are now free to say what they want to whom they want.
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You forgot to add an overwhelming sense of entitlement. The only thing your 20 years on the job earned you is your pension.
You make me laugh. Anything that anyone else has that YOU don't is "an entitlement".

I said it before and I will say it again.

I EARNED everything I have, pension, right to carry a concealed weapon and any other friggin' thing that comes with them the FIRST time I was shot at.

The next four times just increased my determination to live long enough to collect on the STATE LEGISLATED GUARANTEED PENSION that was part of the agreement when I signed up.

You don't like it? Pound sand, pal.

The City of New York has to pay me for the rest of my life and provide full health benefits. These things I earned with my blood, sweat and tears, with NO apologies to you or anyone like you.
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Yeah, I figured the haters would jump in.

If you don't like it go piss in someone else's thread.

If there was a bill to be signed for everyone to be exempt I would push that just as hard.

But there isen't.

That's life.

Deal with it.

I gave 20 years of my life, my health, and my family time to the NYPD and the people of the city of New York. I've EARNED every single perk and exemption I receive, hundreds of times over.

It you haven't that's just tough.
Respectfully,definitely not a hater of LE, and I've breezed the threads since I posted and thank you for your service. I am a retired Army National Guard NCO of 21+ years but did not have a shot fired at me during my tenure, doesn't mean I was in the crosshairs. I stood up if needed and did what was asked of me.

If you believe your perk is to have an extended magazine to protect yourself just because you are a LEO is BS, Sorry, no hater as you were quick to imply.
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I don't think I'm better than anyone else. But to come here to CT and ***** at us, probably the most pro 2A group of cops around, is just silly. Classic if I can't have it, nobody else should either. Childish.

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