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Old 06-22-2013, 21:34   #101
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Yikes - a lot of guys in this thread need the pleads on their skirts ironed.


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Old 06-22-2013, 21:41   #102
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I feel anyone who has put their time into a job that provide a pension has the right to expect that pension. In my case, I got a letter from my union in 2006 saying there was $106 million in the pension fund. in 2008 I got another letter stating, due to bad investments, the fund was dry. Sure, it pisses me off. I was kind of counting on it. now I will have to work until I can't stand up or am dead. But what can I do but just keep going?

But I still feel that all anyone is entitled to wen they retire is their pension. Some may think we are all equal, but some are more equal than others. I don't.
Was the pension contract with the union or with your employer?
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If you have a CHL you get to buy guns without the instant background check. Cops can't do that.

That's not fair.
Cops can if they have a CHL. Just like other TX citizens. Same laws for all.
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Then the good news is that any LEO's career path similar to your military career path would also not be eligible for the exemption.

Happy now?
I believe gun and magazine rights, should not be depend on one's previous employment or career.
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Where is all the complaining when cops come out to support expanded ccw laws?

They get nothing from that.


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I believe gun and magazine rights, should not be depend on one's previous employment or career.
I believe all your guns are belong to me.
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Old 06-22-2013, 22:27   #107
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I agree that retired LEO's deserve an exemption. I do not agree their service qualifies them more than retired military. We qualified on different weapons, many of us got shot at a lot more than LEO's, in particular those of us who served in war zones. Remember those. And the military retirement has certainly been eroded. When I joined it was supposed to be free medical and dental for service member and family. It has not been so for many years. And every year DOD and Congress want to increase our copays for treatment and prescriptions. There may be exceptions but I doubt many LEO's spent months and years on unaccompanied tours or on cruises.

Again, I don't begrudge percs you get. I do think it is a bit high handed to dismiss the service of the military and the benefits received. I am damned sure I earned mine.
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[QUOTE=txleapd;20395136]If you have a CHL you get to buy guns without the instant background check. Cops can't do that.

Are you serious? LEO's aren't allowed to skip the instant background check? And I mean that as a legitimate question.
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Old 06-22-2013, 23:20   #109
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My general take on "things".

Life's not fair from the 1st breath, deal with it.
The sooner one realizes this, the better off they will be.

There is NOTHING wrong with wanting/this/that/everything.

What is wrong is the approach some use.

So many start off with a conclusion, "I want this/that", then go off in search of arguments to support it.

Most on this board would agree that Socialism is NOT something to aspire to.

Yet, this is in reality what many use for an argument/tact when trying to "gets what they want".

EVERYBODY must be equal, really? Whip out your units. Any longer than mine must go under the knife, right?

REASONABLE is a standard that is not based on socialism. How about we try that?

GOALS. Most things are gained by baby steps.

When LEOSA H.R. that passed to permit Cops/Ex-cops concealed carry nationwide, there was a howl that went up fro the people I'm addressing. Many went to the extreme that, even though HR 218 passed, they wanted massive organization formed to REPEAL this, as it's "not fair". Infantile emotive behavior. I, and others, preached "baby steps".

Where are we today? SHALL ISSUE CCW is the LAW OF THE LAND. Gun rights have ADVANCED, in spite of the handwringers and pants wetters.

EQUAL- Wal-mart/Sams club/Target/Costco employees get a much higher discount on ALL purchases than me, is that "fair"?

Drop the Socialistic arguments in pursuit of what you want. Just be honest in what you seek. You'll not only get more done, you'll earn both the respect and support of many like me.

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I called, hope it helps out...SKINYTOP, I agree with you.....
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Old 06-23-2013, 02:03   #111
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All laws aren't applied evenly to all people, because there are exemptions within some laws.

The military gets to use missiles, doctors can practice medicine, lawyers can argue in court, and cops can carry guns in places everyone else can't.

Get over it.
Realize that many perks of your job can be vested and carried over into retirement. LEOSA/LEOSAIA codified and vested many rights for cops nationwide. It is what it is. Retirement pension, medical benefits, and any OPEBs are yours if you earned them. I don't begrudge anyone who has theirs from their choice of careers.

Heck, my mom retired from a major airline and she vests her retirement medical AND she gets free flights, just pay the airport taxes and fees. That means she flies FIRST CLASS internationally for a few hundred bucks. It's a perk she earned for putting in decades at the airport, exposed to the chemicals and noise all her life.

You want free flights, go work for an airline. It is what it is.

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Been there done that, still applies. Conditions of employment. Served in the USN. Our ship was specifically targeted twice. The bad guys were splashed, by an other ship's assets. It is stressful knowing that your ship is the target / bait.

Currently work for company and had to pass a drug test before the first interview. Random tests are the norm.

Pre-employment and follow up screenings are common in the civilian work place.

The crew feared the drug sniffing dogs. Copter from the carrier .................. O-stuf .... got to move my stash.
So what? I don't begrudge any OPEBs you get from the .mil for whatever you went through. If you earned them, you earned them. I don't care and I won't ever complain about it. Not my business.

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Laws are not applied evenly????????????????????????

If this is the case we are doomed.
Not all laws are written to apply to everyone equally, never has been the case. I don't get to enjoy any of the welfare and social protection programs that I pay taxes into, like Section 8 housing, food stamps, supplemental nutrition assistance, cash for clunkers, and even some student loan/grant programs because my family "made too much". Is that fair? I paid into it and someone who never paid into it gets to use it while I am "exempted" from it.

Our progressive tax system is another example. Everyone pays differently. Is that fair? Some people actually get money back for nothing.

People who drive hybrids, electrics, or have passengers get to be in the car pool lane. Not me... who drives a gas burning car alone most of the time. No fair. I pay as much taxes into road/freeway maintenance as anyone else... if not more.

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And you sound like you think you are entitled, too, just like a lot of Obama supporters. I don't care what one does for a living, soldier, fireman, or cop. All you are entitled to is your pension, not extra "perks" like one might have gotten in the Soviet Union.
It's not an entitlement if you EARNED it. It's an entitlement if you just sit on your ass and it gets handed to you, like the allowance you got as a kid for not doing anything. If you did chores and got an allowance, you EARNED it. See how simple that is?

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If it makes you feel any better, I lost my union pension, too. Due to "bad investments". So what should I do, expect special treatment? Life sucks, most of the time.
Yes, life sucks. It's not fair. You made your career choice and the union screwed you. I made my career choice and I still have a pretty solvent state funded PERS that I paid into... which was in danger a few years ago but pulled through... good for me. You should expect nothing more than what your life choices have given you, as do I.

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Perhaps you should accept that when a cop stops being a cop, he should not get any special privileges. I for one have always felt that cops shouldn't get special privileges to begin with.
What special privileges do cops get, praytell? Carrying a gun?

Have you carried a gun as a condition of employment and then had to carry it even when not working because of your career choice? It loses its novelty very fast and it's more of a burden than anything else. It's not all fun and games just to see how cool you can look clipping a badge and gun on your jeans when you go about your everyday life.

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And if such "privileges" are so important to the poster, perhaps he should have made the decision to be a LEO or MD.

Don't whine today about your failure to plan yesterday.
Your lack of planning in life/career choices does not constitute a reason for me to be giving a **** at all. (to paraphrase a popular saying)

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Thank you for your service.

In your situation, are you eligible for medical care at your VA hospital, local military PX, etc... ?
There you go again trying to be logical.

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Astronauts get to go into space. I want to go into space.

That's not fair.
I trained for years to be a door gunner on the space shuttle... but now that the whole space shuttle program is mothballed... I guess my investment is gone... no fair. You think they will hire me to be a door gunner on a submarine instead? The skill sets transfer well.

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No.

I change career paths for family reasons. I was a "4.0 sailor". Made O-3 in less than 3 years.
You want a cookie for that?

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I do not disagree. Contractual terms of employment.

But why should your magazine be bigger than mine?
Sounds like there are deeper, Freudian issues at play.

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I believe gun and magazine rights, should not be depend on one's previous employment or career.
Yes it does if it is a term of your employment.
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Cops can if they have a CHL. Just like other TX citizens. Same laws for all.
You didn't answer my question. You deflected.

How is it FAIR that a CHL can skip the instant background check when buying a gun, but cops can't?

Your stance is that all laws should apply to EVERYONE equally. This law doesn't grant cops that same exemption that CHL holders have.

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If you have a CHL you get to buy guns without the instant background check. Cops can't do that.

Are you serious? LEO's aren't allowed to skip the instant background check? And I mean that as a legitimate question.
Legitimate answer.... Cops don't get to skip the instant background check.


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You didn't answer my question. You deflected.

How is it FAIR that a CHL can skip the instant background check when buying a gun, but cops can't?

Your stance is that all laws should apply to EVERYONE equally. This law doesn't grant cops that same exemption that CHL holders have.

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Follow up to this.... Have you ever heard cops complaining that we don't get to skip the instant background check, call for laws to change this, or cry because its "not fair"?


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He won't answer that one because you have him, cold.
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Explain why a RETIRED LEO should be restricted less than a retired factory worker.

Call up the gov and say NO.

The retired LEO's should support the rights of all.
You're 100% correct. Those factory workers have spent a career making enemies in the communities in which they live. Not only do they have to worry about the everyday "what-ifs" but each and every person they put away who at some point may be breathing free air again. Someone who has had a long time to think about the reunion, if one should occur, between him and they guy who locked him up. Factory workers do that, right?
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Follow up to this.... Have you ever heard cops complaining that we don't get to skip the instant background check, call for laws to change this, or cry because its "not fair"?
Just you
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How is it FAIR that a CHL can skip the instant background check when buying a gun, but cops can't?
A person with a CHL can skip the instant background check. A person without a CHL can not skip the instant background check.

The persons could be a doctor, lawyer, indian chief, white, brown, black, catholic, baptist, jew, muslim, engineer, bus driver, musician, factory worker, military, health care worker, or a retired LEO.

Now explain to me why my magazine should not be the same as a retired LEO.
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You're 100% correct. Those factory workers have spent a career making enemies in the communities in which they live. Not only do they have to worry about the everyday "what-ifs" but each and every person they put away who at some point may be breathing free air again. Someone who has had a long time to think about the reunion, if one should occur, between him and they guy who locked him up. Factory workers do that, right?
Understand the points presented and agree.

But why should a past career allow some to have a larger magazines than others?
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Understand the points presented and agree.

But why should a past career allow some to have a larger magazines than others?
Are all careers the same?



How many people have you, personally put in prison?


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He won't answer that one because you have him, cold.
Please, do not assume.
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A person with a CHL can skip the instant background check. A person without a CHL can not skip the instant background check.

The persons could be a doctor, lawyer, indian chief, white, brown, black, catholic, baptist, jew, muslim, engineer, bus driver, musician, factory worker, military, health care worker, or a retired LEO.

Now explain to me why my magazine should not be the same as a retired LEO.
Why should a police officer not be able to skip the background check?


Is the requirements for a CCW permit more stringent than a police officers requirements??


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Please, do not assume.
I can also drive in excess of the posted speed limit with lights and sirens, why can't you?
Do you see how your argument sounds?


You do realize that any step in the right direction in regards to guns is a good step, whether it is solely for LE or not it doesn't matter.


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Are all careers the same?



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Careers are not the same. I was trained to kill thousands of people, with one push of a button, from very long distance. It can keep you awake at night thinking about it.

Non in prison. Some to Captain's Mast, which resulted in Other Than Honorable Discharges. No benefits, no gun rights.

But what does this have to do with magazine capacity?

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Careers are not the same. I was trained to kill thousands of people, with one push of a button, from very long distance. It can keep you awake at night thinking about it.

Non in prison. Some to Captain's Mast, which resulted in Other Than Honorable Discharges. No benefits, no gun rights.

But what does this have to do with magazine capacity?
I can carry in all 50 states and places you aren't permitted to. Does that upset you as well?


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