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Old 10-12-2013, 09:54   #21
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Not a defense of the article title, which should have been "United HealthCare severs relationship with thousands of Doctors"........

But the term fired is used a lot in the medical world, when it doesn't make sense. It is common to hear about a patient "firing his doctor", when the doctor wasn't employed by the patient. Or to hear about a doctor "firing" a patient by refusing to see them any more.

Anyway, back to the melee
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Old 10-12-2013, 09:56   #22
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Not the same thing because medical providers are not solely contracted to a single healthcare plan.

Neither are cab drivers,I'll explain shortly.

These physicians are still self-employed, or employed by the same medical group they were employed by prior to receiving notice from UHC. They can still see self-pay patients, they can still see members of other healthcare plans with which they are contracted, and they can still see members of the UHC plan that are willing to pay a higher out of pocket cost.

Cab drivers can accept/refuse any client they choose,just like a Doc.Most day trips are DSS type medical that drivers havta pay for the ability ta haul.1/4ly background checks that they havta pay a "fee" ta haul those that they are paying by taxes to transport.

Your analogy would be closer to appropriate if I were an independent cab driver that received dispatches from multiple cab companies. One of those companies that was paying me $1/mile (in network rate) said that they were no longer going to dispatch calls to me because I submit late, incomplete and error prone paperwork that they have to spend excessive time to manage. Oh, but I can still honor vouchers issued by that cab company, but I can only credit the passenger for 65 cents on the dollar (out of network rate) -- it costs the passenger more money if they still want to use me. I am not fired or laid off, the terms of a business agreement were changed. It happens every day.
Drivers do accept/get trips from multiple companies,we have 10 permitted cab services.We also haul stuff that a driver hasta be TSA certified ta tender,if you wanta know I'll give ya a description.As far as "outta" network rates,it doesn't matter ,the city regulates our prices and the services we are allowed ta provide.Vouchers get the same per mile rates as John/Jane Doe pay.Kinda the same system,as far as paper goes that is.'08.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:37   #23
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Drivers do accept/get trips from multiple companies,we have 10 permitted cab services.We also haul stuff that a driver hasta be TSA certified ta tender,if you wanta know I'll give ya a description.As far as "outta" network rates,it doesn't matter ,the city regulates our prices and the services we are allowed ta provide.Vouchers get the same per mile rates as John/Jane Doe pay.Kinda the same system,as far as paper goes that is.'08.
I'll admit that I'm not intimate with how cab companies operate, so if my analogy doesn't work, ignore it. However, I have been a consultant in healthcare for 16 years.

The simple point remains that the doctors were not fired in the traditional sense that an employer fires an employee.
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Old 10-12-2013, 10:58   #24
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You guys from red states must run healthcare different than we do.

Our local providers are actually excited about the coming changes. One of the local hospitals alone hired 80 more doctors to get ready for it.

But then I'm in a blue state that's had an excellent public option for decades.

Ironically we also contribute more tax money to the federal .gov than we get back. Not like all those Red State welfare queens.
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Old 10-12-2013, 13:15   #25
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I'll admit that I'm not intimate with how cab companies operate, so if my analogy doesn't work, ignore it. However, I have been a consultant in healthcare for 16 years.

The simple point remains that the doctors were not fired in the traditional sense that an employer fires an employee.

You are correct, none of these doctors were suddenly unemployed because an insurance company decided that they were not a preferred provider.
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We wont need all these doctors under DemocratCare. If you're not a congressman, senator or friend of the regime, you're going to see a PA except maybe for the autopsy.

Soon we will have a healthcare system just as good as they have in cuba.
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In my experience UnitedHealthCare tries to increase its profit by denying patients access to adequate health care. I had to change my doctor and the doctor I was referred was bottom of the barrel. He would not refer me to the specialist I had been seeing for several years and insisted I see the ones in his network. He also refused to do things my previous GP had done and instead referred me to more specialists. This would have been a waste of my time, my money, and the taxpayers money, but he insisted. When I tried to get off of UnitedHealthCare, they told me I couldn't for several months. That meant more inadequate health care for several months. They lied of course. I called Medicare and they took me off of UnitedHealthCare. UnitedHealthCare is part of Medicare Part C. It cost tax payers more than regular Medicare. In my experience, Medicare Part C helps on one but the insurance companies. it should be abolished.
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We wont need all these doctors under DemocratCare. If you're not a congressman, senator or friend of the regime, you're going to see a PA except maybe for the autopsy.

Soon we will have a healthcare system just as good as they have in cuba.
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I like my doc and I will keep my doc until he calls it quits in the profession. I am self pay and will continue to pay rather than use insurance for my general practicioner (spelling? ).

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“Let me be exactly clear about what health care reform means to you. First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.”
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Old 10-24-2013, 14:57   #31
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The plan is not to change this into a free market system. The plan is to make it a single payer third party system, instead of a multiple payer third party system.

Real Government run healthcare is coming. The ACA is just the first domino.
What exactly would a single payer system look like and how would it operate? Not that I'm in favor of it. Just curious what it would look like. Medicare for everyone?
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What exactly would a single payer system look like and how would it operate? Not that I'm in favor of it. Just curious what it would look like. Medicare for everyone?
Everyone has to belong to the government plan, and they would be the only payer. You could force everyone to Obamacare, Medicare or a new Hillarycare. How remains to be seen, but that is the goal.
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Ironically we also contribute more tax money to the federal .gov than we get back. Not like all those Red State welfare queens.
Cut the money off. Please. It doesn't go anywhere but to the one third of red states' populations that vote Democrat anyway.

Please, please, please. Ask your representative to cut the federal spigot off to the red states.

Please throw us into that briar patch.
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What exactly would a single payer system look like and how would it operate? Not that I'm in favor of it. Just curious what it would look like. Medicare for everyone?
VA or active duty military health care - two single payer plans for some reason never discussed in the ObamaCare context.


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