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Old 10-14-2013, 10:08   #51
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I don't know about other folks.

Personally I'd love to see a representational system whereby the percentage of the national vote your political party receives is the percentage of the senate you get. That'd force people to form coalitions and actually work with each other vs. the winner takes all system we have now. Basically a system much like most of the other representational democracies function.
That would be interesting to see what would happen. It would help the LP, but it would also help the Green Party.

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Until the republicans stop shafting the middle class with a giant strap-on so they can give huge tax breaks and incentives to the ultra-rich... er... "Job Creators" I'm going to vote against them. Period. I no longer care if Krusty the Clown runs on the Democrat ticket.
Vote away. How's it working out so far?
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Do you want to go back to the way it was when our country was doing well?

Or do you want to continue the way we are?

Understand that the extremely wealthy don't give a damn. They have options. They'll bleed the wealth out of America and then get on their private jets and fly off to their homes in Bora Bora or wherever and never come back.

We'll all be left here in a country where our resources have been stolen, our capital has been shipped offshore, and our jobs that are left are all low paying crap jobs.

Sounds awesome to you does it?
You think if we all would just vote for democrats, they'd do something about it?

It is a testament to the total power of the propaganda, the system, whatever you want to call it, that so many people can understand that something is very wrong, but day after day the ultimate source of the problem is barely even mentioned. That's "barely" even on forums like this, and NEVER on the MSM.

There absolutely IS a problem, we ARE being robbed, the middle class IS being squeezed into nothing- you're right about that. But for a guy that claims to be educated and to have studied economics to never even superficially touch on the real powers that be, in a hundred posts- to think that voting or changing the faces in a multi-trillion dollar all powerful parasitical cancer will ever change anything- that is the ultimate testament to their power over minds.
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It's almost like they've insisted on this shutdown charade to remind all the peons of their assigned "real" enemy- the blue team or the red team. Right after 90% of the country (and the rest of the world) vetoed their latest criminal foreign expedition, they needed to make sure everybody was quickly set back in their respective camps for further exploitation. Cue the brain drain media, red team vs blue team 24 hours a day.

You can vote dems back into all three just like a few years ago, and exactly the same thing will happen that happened then. You'll keep getting crushed. You can't touch the parasitical infrastructure behind the public charade of votes and faces. You haven't even figured out what it is.
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That's ridiculous. Every issue is a separate issue. They are not a package deal. You can be pro 2A and pro gay marriage,. Whatever label you give yourself overall, conservative or liberal, it does not mean you have to take that same side of every single issue.

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What is a Liberal? Ever looked up the term in the dictionary?
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What is a Liberal? Ever looked up the term in the dictionary?
A Turd by any other name still is ............................!
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What is a Liberal? Ever looked up the term in the dictionary?
That would require scholarship, however limited and that's a bit too much like work.

They'd rather regurgitate what they've been told on the radio and the TV.
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So you want to complete the dismantling of the Constitution that began with Wilson and has continued with each progressive wave of the 20th and 21st centuries? By the way...your tantrum about researching what a "liberal is"...you an no liberal. You are a progressive. Just because the progressives stole the name doesn't change the fact that they are progressives, not classical liberals, and will in fact force, hear that, force wealth redistribution, give aways to buy votes, to keep themselves in power. Progressives from both parties only care about one thing...votes, power, and control. The current progressives are running insane $1.5T-ish deficits each and every year to do nothing but buy votes, totally ignoring the Constitution.

You need to graduate from school so you stop living in the academic theory world (like the 0bama admin does) and see that what I've said about progressivism is the truth. One doesn't need a PhD (since you love to tout the academics at your fine university that you seem to worship) to see that progressives are stealing wealth from this nation's providers and giving it to the non-providers in an attempt to make the poor the new middle class. I suggest, if you want to read, try Alinski and Cloward/Pivens for some insight into what your Krusty the Clown progressives are doing. It's all laid out plain as day.
I love this one... The bolded part... It's hilarious...

Everyone who worships at the alter of ignorance and demonizes education eventually tosses that one out. What exactly would lead you to jump to the conclusion that I haven't lived in the real world?

I've essentially supported myself since I was in highschool. I was homeless. I got a job. I gave most of my paycheck to my mom to help feed my brother and sister. I graduated and kept working. Eventually I joined the Marines and did that for a while. I still sent alot of money home till mom was doing OK on her own and didn't need it anymore.

After getting out I went to school for a while then got a great job in high tech industry. Taught myself to build databases. Made myself useful and marketable.

When the economy S**t the bed I decided to go back to school and learn something else. Just another set of tools for the tool box. Another arrow for the quiver. I'm a single dad so being unemployed and useless isn't really an option. I own my own business as well to make ends meet while I'm in college.

See, I think alot of conservatives are just really sheltered. I've been cold, hungry, really cold and hungry. Robbed, beaten multiple times etc. And all of that through no fault of my own. I was a kid. It wasn't my fault. I ended up living in a car. Later I really lucked out and scored someones Motorhome they weren't using for the winter. I'm hardly unique. My valley alone has a couple thousand homeless kids.

The paradigm that many of you cling to on this site is simply not reality. I was the "poor" that so many love to demonize. I did fine because my mom had a college degree so was able to eventually find work and work we all did. Very few in who find themselves in that position now can say that. The jobs aren't there, and the opportunity for education and advancement isn't there like it was 25 years ago.

So yes, in many ways I'm progressive. I believe in relatively robust safety nets for people who find themselves on hard times because these are our fellow Americans. If you can't see that then IMO, there's really something wrong with you.
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I'll never understand why some people love to parade their ignorance.
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I love this one... The bolded part... It's hilarious...

Everyone who worships at the alter of ignorance and demonizes education eventually tosses that one out. What exactly would lead you to jump to the conclusion that I haven't lived in the real world?

I've essentially supported myself since I was in highschool. I was homeless. I got a job. I gave most of my paycheck to my mom to help feed my brother and sister. I graduated and kept working. Eventually I joined the Marines and did that for a while. I still sent alot of money home till mom was doing OK on her own and didn't need it anymore.

After getting out I went to school for a while then got a great job in high tech industry. Taught myself to build databases. Made myself useful and marketable.

When the economy S**t the bed I decided to go back to school and learn something else. Just another set of tools for the tool box. Another arrow for the quiver. I'm a single dad so being unemployed and useless isn't really an option. I own my own business as well to make ends meet while I'm in college.

See, I think alot of conservatives are just really sheltered. I've been cold, hungry, really cold and hungry. Robbed, beaten multiple times etc. And all of that through no fault of my own. I was a kid. It wasn't my fault. I ended up living in a car. Later I really lucked out and scored someones Motorhome they weren't using for the winter. I'm hardly unique. My valley alone has a couple thousand homeless kids.

The paradigm that many of you cling to on this site is simply not reality. I was the "poor" that so many love to demonize. I did fine because my mom had a college degree so was able to eventually find work and work we all did. Very few in who find themselves in that position now can say that. The jobs aren't there, and the opportunity for education and advancement isn't there like it was 25 years ago.

So yes, in many ways I'm progressive. I believe in relatively robust safety nets for people who find themselves on hard times because these are our fellow Americans. If you can't see that then IMO, there's really something wrong with you.
Grand slam home run. Well said. Since the usual suspects in this forum will have no logical rebuttal, get ready for a deluge of logical fallacies.
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Not too mention getting that extra IRS scrutiny that Obama has ordered up for opposition parties.
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Grand slam home run. Well said. Since the usual suspects in this forum will have no logical rebuttal, get ready for a deluge of logical fallacies.
The DUers agreeing with each other that the problem is other people, but not them?

Never saw that one coming.
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So yes, in many ways I'm progressive. I believe in relatively robust safety nets for people who find themselves on hard times because these are our fellow Americans. If you can't see that then IMO, there's really something wrong with you.
Ours is a bad culture for that kind of thing.
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The sad truth of it is patriotic and revolutionary spirit...the thing which ignited our forefathers into saying enough is enough...and been replaced by the gaming system, the smart phone, lots of reality TV and an entire generation of voting people who have more faith in the government to provide for them than they do themselves.


During the Revolutionary War, only THREE percent of the people actually fought against Great Britain.

Only TEN percent of the citizens actively supported that three percent.

Approximately TWENTY percent considered themselves to be on the side of the Revolution, but they did not actively participate.

Towards the climatic end of the war, approximately THIRTY percent actually fought on the side of the British.

The rest of the citizens had no disposition either way. They didnít care. They didnít want anything to do with what they deemed to simply be a political issue.

If "we" were to "act now" I have a feeling we would be severely outnumbered, facing a better equipped and funded (and onshore) government and wouldn't stand a chance.
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I love this one... The bolded part... It's hilarious...

Everyone who worships at the alter of ignorance and demonizes education eventually tosses that one out. What exactly would lead you to jump to the conclusion that I haven't lived in the real world?

I don't demonize education. I demonize the "academic" who believes the theory postulated in a text book is law and ignores any empirical evidence to the contrary.You parrot the usual progressive economic and social drival that the academicians in this administration do and ignore the less than stellar results. You bad mouth an open market system without ever even seeing it applied in this country. By the way, I have advanced degrees in nuclear engineering and physics, and I am a registered PE. I don't volunteer this information to be snotty, but to show that I do have some experiential base for what I've stated. I learned my profession in the field over thirty years, not from the text books. The college education did nothing but give me the tools to learn how things in the world really work.

What exactly would lead me to jump to the conclusion that you haven't lived in the real world? Many, if not most of you posts dealing economics where the only thing you do to support your progressive big government postions is quote your fine university text books and PhD babble, and ignore the empirical evidence of failed progressive economics.


I've essentially supported myself since I was in highschool. I was homeless. I got a job. I gave most of my paycheck to my mom to help feed my brother and sister. I graduated and kept working. Eventually I joined the Marines and did that for a while. I still sent alot of money home till mom was doing OK on her own and didn't need it anymore.

Thank you for your service.

After getting out I went to school for a while then got a great job in high tech industry. Taught myself to build databases. Made myself useful and marketable.

Good for you.

When the economy S**t the bed I decided to go back to school and learn something else. Just another set of tools for the tool box. Another arrow for the quiver. I'm a single dad so being unemployed and useless isn't really an option. I own my own business as well to make ends meet while I'm in college.

Again, just because you have done the course work, doesn't mean you've leared the subject. Look how wrong the academic elites in government have been on economic policies and their effects on the real economy. I applaud you for taking care of your kid.

See, I think alot of conservatives are just really sheltered. I've been cold, hungry, really cold and hungry. Robbed, beaten multiple times etc. And all of that through no fault of my own. I was a kid. It wasn't my fault. I ended up living in a car. Later I really lucked out and scored someones Motorhome they weren't using for the winter. I'm hardly unique. My valley alone has a couple thousand homeless kids.

You may be correct in some cases, but I find dividing people up like that in an attempt to prove a point is disingenuous and is counter productive. There are plenty of progressives out there who have lived a pretty sweet life. The Ivy League schools are full or them.

The paradigm that many of you cling to on this site is simply not reality. I was the "poor" that so many love to demonize. I did fine because my mom had a college degree so was able to eventually find work and work we all did. Very few in who find themselves in that position now can say that. The jobs aren't there, and the opportunity for education and advancement isn't there like it was 25 years ago.

Who's "you"? My guess would be that your mom found work because she hadn't given up to the .gov gravy train and actually looked for work. And why is it that the jobs aren't there today? And don't tell me because of free market policies. We've had progressives in power, meddling with the economy, for most of the last 25 years.

So yes, in many ways I'm progressive. I believe in relatively robust safety nets for people who find themselves on hard times because these are our fellow Americans. If you can't see that then IMO, there's really something wrong with you.

I like the idea of safety nets for those really in trouble too. But, the "poor" don't need to emulate a "middle class" lifestyle for generations while receiving producers' money after the .gov has taken its vig (that's called corruption). Problem is that the progressive ideology empties out the private sector money pot by transferring all the wealth through the .gov (which earns exactly zero dollars). The result is there is no way to fund the safety net. Leaving the constitutional arguments aside for a now, regardless of what "we like the idea of," the reality is that everything must be paid for eventually in a civil society. Take the ACA. There's lots of arguing over it around here. One question that never gets answered is, how will it be paid for. We all know it isn't free at all.
See. No insults there. Try to keep it that way.

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How so? Does the middle class have less stuff, and have a harder time paying for it than 30 years ago? Are you really worse off than your parents were at the same age?



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I love this one... The bolded part... It's hilarious...

Everyone who worships at the alter of ignorance and demonizes education eventually tosses that one out. What exactly would lead you to jump to the conclusion that I haven't lived in the real world?

I've essentially supported myself since I was in highschool. I was homeless. I got a job. I gave most of my paycheck to my mom to help feed my brother and sister. I graduated and kept working. Eventually I joined the Marines and did that for a while. I still sent alot of money home till mom was doing OK on her own and didn't need it anymore.

After getting out I went to school for a while then got a great job in high tech industry. Taught myself to build databases. Made myself useful and marketable.

When the economy S**t the bed I decided to go back to school and learn something else. Just another set of tools for the tool box. Another arrow for the quiver. I'm a single dad so being unemployed and useless isn't really an option. I own my own business as well to make ends meet while I'm in college.

See, I think alot of conservatives are just really sheltered. I've been cold, hungry, really cold and hungry. Robbed, beaten multiple times etc. And all of that through no fault of my own. I was a kid. It wasn't my fault. I ended up living in a car. Later I really lucked out and scored someones Motorhome they weren't using for the winter. I'm hardly unique. My valley alone has a couple thousand homeless kids.

The paradigm that many of you cling to on this site is simply not reality. I was the "poor" that so many love to demonize. I did fine because my mom had a college degree so was able to eventually find work and work we all did. Very few in who find themselves in that position now can say that. The jobs aren't there, and the opportunity for education and advancement isn't there like it was 25 years ago.

So yes, in many ways I'm progressive. I believe in relatively robust safety nets for people who find themselves on hard times because these are our fellow Americans. If you can't see that then IMO, there's really something wrong with you.


So that's a no?
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The sad truth of it is patriotic and revolutionary spirit...the thing which ignited our forefathers into saying enough is enough...and been replaced by the gaming system, the smart phone, lots of reality TV and an entire generation of voting people who have more faith in the government to provide for them than they do themselves.


During the Revolutionary War, only THREE percent of the people actually fought against Great Britain.

Only TEN percent of the citizens actively supported that three percent.

Approximately TWENTY percent considered themselves to be on the side of the Revolution, but they did not actively participate.

Towards the climatic end of the war, approximately THIRTY percent actually fought on the side of the British.

The rest of the citizens had no disposition either way. They didnít care. They didnít want anything to do with what they deemed to simply be a political issue.

If "we" were to "act now" I have a feeling we would be severely outnumbered, facing a better equipped and funded (and onshore) government and wouldn't stand a chance.
During the Revolutionary War the Conservatives wore Red coats. The Liberals wore Blue coats.
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True, sort of. I only wish that liberals today were the liberals of then. Progressivism does not equal liberalism. Progressives adopted/stole the term liberal so that they could disguise the facist agenda they pursued in the early 1900s and continue to this day.
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True, sort of. I only wish that liberals today were the liberals of then. Progressivism does not equal liberalism. Progressives adopted/stole the term liberal so that they could disguise the facist agenda they pursued in the early 1900s and continue to this day.
Man, you nailed it!
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You wouldn't think so after reading the Constitution they wrote, now would you?

No, I think liberals would have been the ones wanting the Tea Party protesters put up against the wall and shot, the same as today, as a threat to liberals way of life.
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I believe that if we continue on the track we are on now, there will be no wealth divide. Everyone will be poor. The fact that the number of jobs are not going up and the pay for each individual job is going down can only mean that we end up at the low middle at best. There is too much generational welfare going on. Too many people on the public dole can only drag down society. Sooner or later each family is going to come to a tipping point where it is more cost effective to not work, than it is to try to keep working and support their own family plus the welfare system.

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Progressives adopted/stole the term liberal so that they could disguise the facist agenda they pursued in the early 1900s and continue to this day.
The Fascist are in the Republican party. The Ted Cruz wing of the party is not Conservative. They're going to make the country ungovernable until they get their way, and they don't care about elections.
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