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Old 10-22-2013, 15:06   #1
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Craigslist makes turning food stamps into cash a SNAP

Craigslist makes turning food stamps into cash a SNAP

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Nearly 50 million Americans are on the food stamp program, which has exploded over the last five years, more than doubling the cost to taxpayers. The Electronic Benefits Transfer (EBT) cards are issued to needy citizens who qualify, and then replenished each month with buying power. Because the cards do not include a photo ID, a recipient who is looking to sell his or her benefits for cash can simply do so and then report them stolen or lost and be issued a replacement.
Okay, solution is make the cards photo cards. Cardholder can't get in for the photo? Then you can't go shopping for yourself, so you get to designate an authorized representative. who will have access to your EBT food benefit and/or cash aid benefit account. The AR will have a separate card with his or her own account number and PIN. The EBT system is able to track which card is used to access your account. The AR will have their photo on their card.

That should prevent selling EBT cards.
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Old 10-22-2013, 15:58   #2
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That might "embarrass" them. Never happen.
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Yep, steps need to be put in place so that this isn't just free money that can be so easily traded or sold for cash.
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Old 10-22-2013, 17:14   #4
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I searched Orlando's craiglist and found some. Same for Jacksonville and Miami.
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Huh. Going rate used to be 50 cents on the dollar.
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Okay, solution is make the cards photo cards. Cardholder can't get in for the photo? Then you can't go shopping for yourself, so you get to designate an authorized representative. who will have access to your EBT food benefit and/or cash aid benefit account. The AR will have a separate card with his or her own account number and PIN. The EBT system is able to track which card is used to access your account. The AR will have their photo on their card.

That should prevent selling EBT cards.
It would never happen, but simpler would be to use public school cafeterias as night / weekend soup kitchens. If you can get to a school with your appropriate ID demonstrating eligibility in hand, then you get a warm healthy meal and you go home. "Have a good night, see you tomorrow."

School aged children can get additional meals at the school during the day.
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Old 10-24-2013, 06:12   #7
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Huh. Going rate used to be 50 cents on the dollar.
Back in my supermarket manager days, when paper stamps were used, that was the going rate. Some things never change, especially welfare abuse.
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Simple solution: eliminate the entire thing.

Why the hell should I be forced to subsidize someone's twinkies?
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Simple solution: eliminate the entire thing.

Why the hell should I be forced to subsidize someone's twinkies?
Because a stable food supply is the basis for civilization, and when you're hungry laws don't really matter. Go ahead and shrug off the poor, Atlas, and see whqat happens when a roving gang of them storm your place and kill you for your twinkies.
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The entire SNAP budget is about $74 Billion a year. Significantly up since the big recession.

Just think. The yahoos in the House of Representatives wasted about $24 Billion in 3 weeks.

Perspective... It's what's forgotten.

For those of you who prefer data and research instead of unsubstantiated anecdotal "evidence"

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3239
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Just think. The yahoos in the House of Representatives wasted about $24 Billion in 3 weeks.
Keep repeating it over and over.

Won't make it true ...

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Keep repeating it over and over.

Won't make it true ...

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How about how much those idiots have wasted over the last few years trying to repeal Obamacare? How much could we have accomplished if the children in the house hadn't been throwing a 2+ year long tantrum? Just their salaries alone while they all sat round wasting our tax money on doing nothing when they should have been doing their jobs is significant.

But a social program with a 1% fraud rate is a big deal yo!

Any comments on the well researched piece I linked?

Or would you like to get all worked up over the Faux Outrage piece posted at the top of the thread?
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Because a stable food supply is the basis for civilization, and when you're hungry laws don't really matter. Go ahead and shrug off the poor, Atlas, and see whqat happens when a roving gang of them storm your place and kill you for your twinkies.
This way of thinking only achieves two things over time:
1) Increase the number of those dependent on assistance.
2) Decrease proportionally the number of those producing enough in excess of their own needs to provide that assistance.

By natural law there can be no other outcome.


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This way of thinking only achieves two things over time:
1) Increase the number of those dependent on assistance.
2) Decrease proportionally the number of those producing enough in excess of their own needs to provide that assistance.

By natural law there can be no other outcome.


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I love people who quote "sociology" hypotheses but have obviously never taken a real sociology or anthropology class.
As if a sociology class is necessary to see something so painfully obvious...

You're very young aren't you?
Live a few years, keep your eyes open, and you will see the elemental truth of this.
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take care of the ones that cannot take care of themselves at all, the rest only get services on a temp basis...must look for work or get cutoff ...we dont have enough people towing the line
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take care of the ones that cannot take care of themselves at all, the rest only get services on a temp basis...must look for work or get cutoff ...we dont have enough people towing the line
Yep...
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take care of the ones that cannot take care of themselves at all, the rest only get services on a temp basis...must look for work or get cutoff ...we dont have enough people towing the line
And unless it's a medical condition, being fat should not be considered a disability.
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Because a stable food supply is the basis for civilization, and when you're hungry laws don't really matter. Go ahead and shrug off the poor, Atlas, and see whqat happens when a roving gang of them storm your place and kill you for your twinkies.
Go for it. Come to my house and try to steal from me.

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I love people who quote "sociology" hypotheses but have obviously never taken a real sociology or anthropology class.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1507393

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/tere...outnumber-full
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But a social program with a 1% fraud rate is a big deal yo!
That's the number they say is for trafficking. From your link:
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USDA has cut “trafficking” — the sale of SNAP benefits for cash, which violates federal law — by three-quarters over the past 15 years. Only 1 percent, or $1 in every $100 of SNAP benefits, is trafficked.
They misquoted the USDA report, The Extent of Trafficking in the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program: 2009–2011
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TRAFFICKING IN 2009–2011

Based on the best data available for 2009–2011, estimates indicate the following:
  • Trafficking diverted an estimated $858 million annually from SNAP benefits;
  • Overall, approximately 1.3 percent of total SNAP benefits were trafficked; and
  • Approximately 10.5 percent of all authorized SNAP stores engaged in trafficking.
A variety of store characteristics and settings were associated to the level of trafficking. Small stores—largely composed of smaller and medium sized groceries, and convenience stores— accounted for about 15 percent of all redemptions, but were estimated to account for 85 percent of all trafficking redemptions.³
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³ It should be noted that the trafficking estimate for supermarkets is highly volatile, reflecting their low presence among retailers who are investigated or sent charge letters, issues with detecting trafficking in these large, complexly organized stores, and the large share of redemptions accounted for by these stores. It is feasible that the amount of trafficking accounted for, given the methodology, can change dramatically from one study period to the next.
Is it an indication that supermarkets might be under-targeted for investigations. There are plenty of chains with stores located where economic lines blend, merge. USDA calls it the "Poverty level of the store’s neighborhood."

Store violation rates really vary based on poverty levels and urbanization levels. Investigations are focused on the store types in certain locations frequented by customers at certain income levels.

The USDA report is interesting read, more complete than the article in the original link.
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Or would you like to get all worked up over the Faux Outrage piece posted at the top of the thread?
Why do you call it "Faux Outrage?"

It points out problems in a system. The problem is being addressed. Do we all agree the efforts are properly focused? Do we agree that the efforts are strong enough? We probably do not.
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Typical response of a liberal. Government waste justifies more government waste.
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I'm in favor of going back to the depression "soup kitchens".....it's an idea that worked for those who truly needed help to prevent starvation.

Besides, if there were no food stamps, there would be almost no starvation anyway......but, a lot of those prior recipients will have to use their disposable income for food. Goodbye to cell phones, Xboxes, drugs, and whatever else isn't necessary to subsist.

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Hey, as any liberal will tell you, don't worry about the fraud and waste, we can just print more money to pay for it.

It's just like having a giant money tree.

And, any Tea Party people who tell you different are racist and crazy.
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From the article...Okay, solution is make the cards photo cards. Cardholder can't get in for the photo?
Ain't nobody got time for that.

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Simple solution: eliminate the entire thing.

Why the hell should I be forced to subsidize someone's twinkies?
This. Until I see innocent victims of starvation I'll support limiting such aid to volunteer private organizations.

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Go ahead and shrug off the poor, Atlas, and see whqat happens when a roving gang of them storm your place and kill you for your twinkies.
Bring it on, I didn't stock up on ammo just for paper punching. I'm smiling now.

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