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Old 08-28-2011, 03:15   #81
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power pistol 180g tcfp hard cast work up.

I have no experience with power pistol, but bought a pound of it to try its metering capabilities for a hard cast medium-hot load.

I have loaded it starting at 7.9 grains and worked up to 8.7 grains.

Any experience with hard cast and power pistol? I have had good results with blue dot and 800x with HC, but wanted something that meters better for target/range.

Ill get back with results as soon as i can shoot them.

Glock 29 23 lb spring, kkm 4.75" barrel

1.255 coal
300 cci primers
starline brass once fired
power pistol powder
180 grain tcfp hard cast bullets
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Old 11-22-2011, 18:29   #82
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Originally posted this in another thread for hubcap500 and brought it over here per the advice of nickE10mm. As a side note, I am only human and have been known to make a mistake or two, but was careful to and believe I did copy all information correctly. Still, you guys know the drill...start with a lesser charge...and work your way up...watching for pressure signs from your setup...
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Think I stumbled across something for ya. Curiosity got the best of me and I started poking around.

From Mike McNett -

200gr XTP, COL = 1.260, CCI350, 11.2gr Blue Dot, claims it's at 38,600 PSI

G29 = 1250fps
G20 = 1311fps
6" KKM = 1421fps
10" Contender = 1566fps


As for comparison to a "MAX Book Load", my Hornady Manual 6th Edition claims -

200gr XTP, COL = 1.260, WLP, 9.4gr Blue Dot, ???PSI

Colt Delta Elite (5" barrel) = 1150fps


Definitely looks to me like some data you could play with! Not thinking your going to get any better data to play with as McNett has actual PSI listed for ya. Have Fun!
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I wish someone could actually post the picture of that page in the Hornady #6 Manual...

I posted the picture of a supplement from Speer...here is a link,
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I wish someone could actually post the picture of that page in the Hornady #6 Manual...

I posted the picture of a supplement from Speer...here is a link,
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No problem, I'll get it for you relatively shortly.
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Old 11-22-2011, 19:42   #85
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Hornady 6th Edition listing for 10mm Auto -

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/P1060289.jpg

http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s...s/P1060291.jpg

Really sucks we can't just use the "[img][/img]" code around here.

Edited to add; sorry about the flash somewhat washing out some of the text, but I think it's still all readable, and w/o the flash was worse.
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Thanks for the pictures, it confirms my thoughts!
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As for comparison to a "MAX Book Load", my Hornady Manual 6th Edition claims -

200gr XTP, COL = 1.260, WLP, 10.7gr Blue Dot, ??? PSI

Colt Delta Elite (5" barrel) = 1250fps
That is why I asked...the above post listed the 200 grain XTP as using 10.7 grs Blue Dot, but the picture shows it to be the 180 gr. XTP which is what I had suspected.

I have taken the 200XTP to 1180-1200 from my S&W using 10.5 grains of Blue Dot and consider it to be max!
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Thanks for the pictures, it confirms my thoughts!


That is why I asked...the above post listed the 200 grain XTP as using 10.7 grs Blue Dot, but the picture shows it to be the 180 gr. XTP which is what I had suspected.

I have taken the 200XTP to 1180-1200 from my S&W using 10.5 grains of Blue Dot and consider it to be max!
Thank You for the correction! Fixing it now.
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Glock20c10mm, You are very welcome...I am just a sticular for the details, because of safety! It has kept my self and my guns safe for 35+ years. Some guns may actually be able to handle that loading but it would be pushing the envelope, especially on the 100 degree days.

While firefighting the attention to details have kept my people and I safe also...Some actually say I'm anal! LOL
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Glock20c10mm, You are very welcome...I am just a sticular for the details, because of safety! It has kept my self and my guns safe for 35+ years. Some guns may actually be able to handle that loading but it would be pushing the envelope, especially on the 100 degree days.

While firefighting the attention to details have kept my people and I safe also...Some actually say I'm anal! LOL
Me too with the details. But, just got another reminder I'm still human. I HATE making those types of simple mistakes. It wasn't like I was doing a calculation on how to retrieve a 10mm bullet back from orbit. Glad you pay attention. Continue to stay safe out there. Anal?! Nah.
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Chrono data for Blue Dot and Nosler 135's

Here is some data from back in July
Enjoy

Crimped .005"
All loads shot through stock barrel
20# Wolff spring

-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
LOAD: Winchester Case
135 Nosler JHP
12.0 gr Blue Dot
CCI 300
1.26 OAL
Temp 63 F
Elev Approx 1000' ASL
Velocity Dev.
1171.0 -130.1
1300.0 -1.1
1287.0 -14.1
1365.0 63.9
1310.0 8.9
1308.0 6.9
1350.0 48.9
1277.0 -24.1
1355.0 53.9
1288.0 -13.1
Average: 1301.1
Ave. Dev.: 36.5
Std. Dev.: 55.2
95% Prob.: 41.6
High: 1365
Low: 1171
Ext. Spd.: 194
 
CALIBER: 10mm Auto
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 1301.0 fps
BULLET WEIGHT: 135 gr.
BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT: 0.121
SIGHT HT.: 0.27 in.
ZEROED AT: 100 Yds.
INCLINE ANGLE: 0 deg.
WIND: 0 mph
STANDING TARGET
ATMOSPHERE: Army Metro Absolute
43 F./4500 ft./24.98 in. HG/78% R.H.
'G1' STANDARD FLAT BASE
Range Vel. Energy Drop Path
0 1301.0 507 0.00 -0.3
10 1265.4 480 0.10 0.9
20 1231.8 455 0.43 1.8
30 1200.0 432 0.98 2.5
40 1170.3 411 1.77 3.0
50 1142.6 391 2.81 3.2
60 1117.0 374 4.13 3.1
70 1093.3 358 5.72 2.8
80 1071.6 344 7.60 2.2
90 1051.5 331 9.78 1.2
100 1032.9 320 12.28 0.0

TRAJECTORY CROSSES LINE OF SIGHT AT 2.2 & 100 yds.
PATH IS 3.2 IN. OVER LINE OF SIGHT AT 53.3 yds.
BORE ANGLE IS 11.9834 MINUTES OR 3.55 MILS
SPEED OF SOUND = 1102.9 fps

-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
LOAD: Winchester Case
135 Nosler JHP
12.5 gr Blue Dot
CCI 300
1.26 OAL
Temp 63 F
Elev Approx 1000' ASL
Velocity Dev.
1331.0 10.3
1315.0 -5.7
1318.0 -2.7
1256.0 -64.7
1357.0 36.3
1384.0 63.3
1251.0 -69.7
1346.0 25.3
1338.0 17.3
1301.0 -19.7
1331.0 10.3
Average: 1320.7
Ave. Dev.: 29.6
Std. Dev.: 39.9
95% Prob.: 28.1
High: 1384
Low: 1251
Ext. Spd.: 133
CALIBER: 10mm Auto
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 1320.0 fps
BULLET WEIGHT: 135 gr.
BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT: 0.121
SIGHT HT.: 0.27 in.
ZEROED AT: 100 Yds.
INCLINE ANGLE: 0 deg.
WIND: 0 mph
STANDING TARGET
ATMOSPHERE: Army Metro Absolute
43 F./4500 ft./24.98 in. HG/78% R.H.
'G1' STANDARD FLAT BASE
Range Vel. Energy Drop Path
0 1320.0 522 0.00 -0.3
10 1283.5 494 0.10 0.9
20 1248.9 468 0.41 1.8
30 1216.1 443 0.95 2.5
40 1185.3 421 1.72 2.9
50 1156.6 401 2.74 3.1
60 1129.9 383 4.01 3.1
70 1105.3 366 5.56 2.7
80 1082.6 351 7.40 2.1
90 1061.6 338 9.53 1.2
100 1042.3 326 11.97 0.0

TRAJECTORY CROSSES LINE OF SIGHT AT 2.2 & 100 yds.
PATH IS 3.12 IN. OVER LINE OF SIGHT AT 53.3 yds.
BORE ANGLE IS 11.6861 MINUTES OR 3.46 MILS
SPEED OF SOUND = 1102.9 fps

-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
LOAD: Winchester Case
135 Nosler JHP
13.0 gr Blue Dot
CCI 300
1.26 OAL
Temp 63 F
Elev Approx 1000' ASL
Velocity Dev.
1399.0 56.1
1257.0 -85.9
1386.0 43.1
1332.0 -10.9
1365.0 22.1
1284.0 -58.9
1322.0 -20.9
1342.0 -0.9
1399.0 56.1
Average: 1342.9
Ave. Dev.: 39.4
Std. Dev.: 50.1
95% Prob.: 40.9
High: 1399
Low: 1257
Ext. Spd.: 142
CALIBER: 10mm Auto
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 1342.0 fps
BULLET WEIGHT: 135 gr.
BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT: 0.121
SIGHT HT.: 0.27 in.
ZEROED AT: 100 Yds.
INCLINE ANGLE: 0 deg.
WIND: 0 mph
STANDING TARGET
ATMOSPHERE: Army Metro Absolute
43 F./4500 ft./24.98 in. HG/78% R.H.
'G1' STANDARD FLAT BASE
Range Vel. Energy Drop Path
0 1342.0 540 0.00 -0.3
10 1304.5 510 0.10 0.8
20 1268.8 483 0.40 1.7
30 1234.9 457 0.92 2.4
40 1203.0 434 1.67 2.8
50 1173.1 412 2.65 3.0
60 1145.2 393 3.89 3.0
70 1119.4 376 5.39 2.7
80 1095 .5 360 7.18 2.1
90 1073.6 345 9.25 1.2
100 1053.4 333 11.62 0.0

TRAJECTORY CROSSES LINE OF SIGHT AT 2.3 & 100 yds.
PATH IS 3.03 IN. OVER LINE OF SIGHT AT 53.4 yds.
BORE ANGLE IS 11.3529 MINUTES OR 3.36 MILS
SPEED OF SOUND = 1102.9 fps

-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
LOAD: Winchester Case
135 Nosler JHP
13.5 gr Blue Dot
CCI 300
1.26 OAL
Temp 63 F
Elev Approx 1000' ASL
Velocity Dev.
1399.0 -29.8
1436.0 7.2
1425.0 -3.8
1391.0 -37.8
1438.0 9.2
1453.0 24.2
1480.0 51.2
1430.0 1.2
1407.0 -21.8
Average: 1428.8
Ave. Dev.: 20.7
Std. Dev.: 27.7
95% Prob.: 22.6
High: 1480
Low: 1391
Ext. Spd.: 89
CALIBER: 10mm Auto
MUZZLE VELOCITY: 1428.0 fps
BULLET WEIGHT: 135 gr.
BALLISTIC COEFFICIENT: 0.121
SIGHT HT.: 0.27 in.
ZEROED AT: 100 Yds.
INCLINE ANGLE: 0 deg.
WIND: 0 mph
STANDING TARGET
ATMOSPHERE: Army Metro Absolute
43 F./4500 ft./24.98 in. HG/78% R.H.
'G1' STANDARD FLAT BASE
Range Vel. Energy Drop Path
0 1428.0 611 0.00 -0.3
10 1387.1 577 0.09 0.7
20 1347.7 544 0.35 1.5
30 1310.0 514 0.81 2.1
40 1274.0 487 1.47 2.5
50 1239.9 461 2.35 2.7
60 1207.6 437 3.45 2.7
70 1177.4 416 4.79 2.4
80 1149.2 396 6.38 1.9
90 1123.1 378 8.24 1.1
100 1099.0 362 10.36 0.0

TRAJECTORY CROSSES LINE OF SIGHT AT 2.6 & 100 yds.
PATH IS 2.71 IN. OVER LINE OF SIGHT AT 53.5 yds.
BORE ANGLE IS 10.1556 MINUTES OR 3.01 MILS
SPEED OF SOUND = 1102.9 fps

-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
-- CHRONOGRAPH DATA --
FIREARM: Glock 20 DATE: 7/21/11 CAL: 10mm Auto
LOAD: Winchester Case
135 Nosler JHP
CCI 300
14.0 gr Bluedot
1.26 OAL
Temp 75F
Elev Approx 1500 ASL
Velocity Dev.
1414.0 -19.8
1439.0 5.2
1420.0 -13.8
1452.0 18.2
1412.0 -21.8
1453.0 19.2
1409.0 -24.8
1410.0 -23.8
1419.0 -14.8
1502.0 68.2
1487.0 53.2
1413.0 -20.8
1428.0 -5.8
1428.0 -5.8
1421.0 -12.8
Average: 1433.8
Ave. Dev.: 21.9
Std. Dev.: 28.4
95% Prob.: 16.3
High: 1502
Low: 1409
Ext. Spd.: 93
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Thanks for posting the data, great format BTW!
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Old 01-15-2012, 19:14   #92
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todays tests

G20 6" LWD
CCI 350
mixed brass
180gr HP plated unknown maker
7.8 gr Power Pistol
oal 1.26"
chony about 15 feet away
5 shot string
Low 1144
High 1170
Av 1153
Es 26.xx
sd ? forgot to write it down

same as above with stock barrel
low 1091
high 1141
es 50
sd 23

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Old 03-05-2012, 20:40   #94
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I just started reloading a few weeks ago. I started working up a load today with Unique.

155g RMR bullets, 10.2g unique, new star line brass. Glock 29sf. I'm going to chronograph tomorrow. It was starting to swell, and I feel this is the max before you start compressing the powder. Nothing exploded though out of a stock 29.
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Old 03-17-2012, 11:46   #95
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I found this 1996 ALLIANT 10mm Load Data and converted it into a much
easier to read and print document. I am providing the original and the
"enhanced version" with the powder in order of burn rate and also the
density of the each powder. I suggest you down load and print the
enhanced verison at full resolution if possible. I am just now learning
how this image shack works.

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Old 04-29-2012, 04:17   #96
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CCI 350 Blue Dot 180gr XTP LoanWolf 6.6" Starline 1.26" OAL

So I have been slowly working up to find the maximum powder charge of the above components in MY G20. I do not intend to shoot the maximum all the time if even ever, I just want to know where it's at. The only reason I am sharing is to give others, with the same components, an idea of where their maximum load might end up if they should choose to try to find it.

My max load ended up at 12.0gr. The brass looked fine at 12.0, but I shot 4 rounds of 12.2 yesterday and one of them gave me a good smile. The other 3 had hints of wanting to smile, but all 4 showed the primers starting to flatten. I am confident the worst one could not have been more then 0.05 different then the rest, so I am going to play it safe and say I'm done.

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So I have been slowly working up to find the maximum powder charge of the above components in MY G20. I do not intend to shoot the maximum all the time if even ever, I just want to know where it's at. The only reason I am sharing is to give others, with the same components, an idea of where their maximum load might end up if they should choose to try to find it.

My max load ended up at 12.0gr. The brass looked fine at 12.0, but I shot 4 rounds of 12.2 yesterday and one of them gave me a good smile. The other 3 had hints of wanting to smile, but all 4 showed the primers starting to flatten. I am confident the worst one could not have been more then 0.05 different then the rest, so I am going to play it safe and say I'm done.
Thanks for sharing.

Would have been fun to know the velocity you reached with the 12.2gr loading. I believe it's reasonable to guess you would have cleared 1350fps. And I'm wondering if you weren't bumping or achieving 1400fps being that you were using an extended LoneWolf barrel.

Anyway, awesome work. I am wondering if the 12.2gr load was compressed? And if so, how heavily? And depending on the answer to that I wonder if 12.2gr would have smiled if a non magnum primer was used. Thanks again!
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Your welcome.

I tried to find someone with a crony the day I went testing but now luck. I guess I will just have to buy one someday.

After I added the powder I shook the case to let it settle down. I do believe the bullet was pushing down on the powder, but blue dot is a medium to large flake and it didn't seem to have a problem with a little less room. I do have some non mag primers on hand, so I will give them a try sometime.

On a side note, while I was working up to max with 2400 and 180gr bullets, 13.5gr was all that would fit in the case before i needed extra pressure to seat the bullet the last couple thousandths (truly compressed). I never reached high pressure signs either.
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Your welcome.

I tried to find someone with a crony the day I went testing but now luck. I guess I will just have to buy one someday.

After I added the powder I shook the case to let it settle down. I do believe the bullet was pushing down on the powder, but blue dot is a medium to large flake and it didn't seem to have a problem with a little less room. I do have some non mag primers on hand, so I will give them a try sometime.

On a side note, while I was working up to max with 2400 and 180gr bullets, 13.5gr was all that would fit in the case before i needed extra pressure to seat the bullet the last couple thousandths (truly compressed). I never reached high pressure signs either.
Great info. Hardly anyone brings up 2400 powder with the 10mm Auto.

Yes, a chronograph would be great, even a cheap one being better than nothing. I'm slowly piecing reloading stuff together to get into it myself.

You said you never reached high pressure signs with 13.5gr-2400 w/180gr bullet. Did you also use magnum primers with that load?

With either the 2400 and Blue Dot loads did you go with a COL over 1.260" for more powder capacity?
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I was using magnum primers with the 2400 as well. With both powders I maintained 1.260" OAL.
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