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Old 02-01-2011, 10:34   #126
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can you post a picture of your Razorback with a case in it? Barrel out of pistol?
I will try and do that soon... very busy lately, however, me posting a pic of my barrel won't really tell us how it compares to an aftermarket Glock barrel since I don't have one of those here to show side-by-sdie.

Still, I'll get to it. Its BLIZZARD time!
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I did it with 10.4gr of IMR 800-X, "don't try at home".
Are these your loaded long ones - and what primers did you use?
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Old 02-19-2011, 12:49   #128
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can you post a picture of your Razorback with a case in it? Barrel out of pistol?
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Old 02-19-2011, 16:22   #130
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G29 KKM 4.45" bbl.

I just got done loading up 11.4grains of 800x using cci 350s (magnum primers) to push 135 grain noslers. My forecast was that they would have been going 1600 fps.

I ran a relay of 15 each (1) relay with a light crimp and the other with a medium-heavy crimp.

First of all, the velocity was all over the board on each relay. Secondly, I had a few failures to read with the chrono.

The relay with light crimp ran 1549 - primers flat, but okay.

The relay with medium-heavy crimp ran about 1620 on avg., and had 3 primers (out of 15) blow out. I also had about (3) fail to extract - to the point of having to extract them with a pocket knife - they were wedged in the barrel pretty bad!

I regret having loaded 50 extra of these today. Oh well...brass are going to be fried afterward.

I tried running these loads before with the 11.6 and 11.8 grains both light crimps. 11.6 was okay, but 11.8 was too much (primers blew).

I don't think cci 350s are good at all with these 135gr. loads.

I'm also going to go with a slightly lighter crimp on all loads.

I just think the magnum primers spike the pressure on these loads. Even though they were great with my 200xtp loadings, I think from now on I am going to go with cci 300s for almost everything with this powder and see how much I can work up with that.
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Old 02-19-2011, 17:15   #131
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I've given up on CCI350s altogether. Never saw any improvement in velocities, but definitely saw pressure signs.
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Old 02-19-2011, 18:16   #132
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G29 KKM 4.45" bbl.

I just got done loading up 11.4grains of 800x using cci 350s (magnum primers) to push 135 grain noslers. My forecast was that they would have been going 1600 fps.

I ran a relay of 15 each (1) relay with a light crimp and the other with a medium-heavy crimp.

First of all, the velocity was all over the board on each relay. Secondly, I had a few failures to read with the chrono.

The relay with light crimp ran 1549 - primers flat, but okay.

The relay with medium-heavy crimp ran about 1620 on avg., and had 3 primers (out of 15) blow out. I also had about (3) fail to extract - to the point of having to extract them with a pocket knife - they were wedged in the barrel pretty bad!

I regret having loaded 50 extra of these today. Oh well...brass are going to be fried afterward.

I tried running these loads before with the 11.6 and 11.8 grains both light crimps. 11.6 was okay, but 11.8 was too much (primers blew).

I don't think cci 350s are good at all with these 135gr. loads.

I'm also going to go with a slightly lighter crimp on all loads.

I just think the magnum primers spike the pressure on these loads. Even though they were great with my 200xtp loadings, I think from now on I am going to go with cci 300s for almost everything with this powder and see how much I can work up with that.
This post has me scratching my head. I have loaded up to 14.5 grains of 800-X (standard primer) with benign pressure symptoms. All with a sloppy Glock barrel. Velocities are 1695 fps. Yet you are getting blown primers at 11.X grains. Do you have any photos of the primers?

I do not shoot loads anywhere near 14 grains any longer under the 135 grainers. Not because I've had any issues, but it just doesn't make sense that it is a safe load. I'm wondering if with the compressed charge levels if I was getting an incomplete burn and that is why I wasn't building sufficient pressure to cause concern. I did not find any evidence of unburnt powder though. Weird. This is why I am not too enthused about this power/projectile combo any longer. A lot of anecdotal information that keeps me confused. I wish that I had chronographed velocities of lesser charges during my workups. That would have provided helpful data. Who knows.

I have several test batches at lower charge weights. I'm going to reduce to the latest max charge for the 155 grain as a starting point. We'll see what happens.

I agree with trying standard primers. Mag primers have always presented pressure symtoms at lower velocities that standard primers. That is accross all bullet weights.

Thanks for posting your results.
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This post has me scratching my head. I have loaded up to 14.5 grains of 800-X (standard primer) with benign pressure symptoms. All with a sloppy Glock barrel. Velocities are 1695 fps. Yet you are getting blown primers at 11.X grains. Do you have any photos of the primers?
I don't have any photos of the primers, Tater - Those bad boys fly out pretty good once the slide opens - one hit me in the head a couple weeks ago.

I honestly think that the huge difference is the primers. I think the magnum primers seriously make a huge difference in this load - and it's not a good one.

I would like to load up some 300s in some cases and do a work up with the 135s. I still have a lot of 135s left unloaded.

Unfortunately, I have a lot of them loaded as well - I really hate to pull them, but I might.

With the mag primers velocities were all over the place too - from 1400 up to well over 1600. SD was triple digit!
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Old 02-25-2011, 07:14   #134
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Used Remington 2 1/2 primers and I got some serious velocities out of the 135 Nosler JHP...

(4.45" KKM bbl.):

COAL 1.260" +/- .005"

MEDIUM TAPER CRIMP (if you want description, ask.)

For starters:

12.7gr. 800x = 1598 average!
13.0gr. 800x = 1646 average!
13.3gr. 800x = 1696 average!

Maximum load is 14.5gr.

I did a 13.6 and 13.9 relay yesterday evening, but not enough light for chrono to read - so doing over today (hopefully).

Expect to hit 1810 fps average with the 14.5 load (this with a 4.5" bbl.) - but we'll see...primers were just starting to flatten out at the 13.9 level.

Changing over to cci 300s (NOT 350s!!! - see note above)today with new 13.3, - 14.5 loads (in 0.3gr. increments).

I am beginning to think that the right crimp makes an ENORMOUS difference in pressure and velocity with this load - my crimps are "medium" - light crimps won't make the speed, heavy crimps will cause overpressure.

Also noted that the first two relays of 11.5 and 11.8 had flipped results (11.5 averaged 1521 and 11.8 averaged 1501) because of a little shorter overall length as I loaded those first (first one was 1.24" COAL)
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I have a 4.6" KKM in my G20 with a 20lb spring, and was getting 1650fps with 12gr 800x & Nosler 135s, WLPs. OAL is 1.26". The primers look pretty flat, and I was wondering if I should back off the charge, or just switch to CCI300 primers. I would like to shoot this load regularly, but don't want to push the pressure limits.
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I think that would be worth trying. My best results by far with 800x has been with standard primers, specifically 300s.
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Thanks Tater, I'm reading about guys pushing their guns over the edge, & all I want is sustainable maximum average pressure. Does 12gr behind a 135gr. Nosler in the KKM barrel fit this description, or should I dial it back if the CCI300s flatten like the WLPs?
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10MM 180 grain Truncated Cone Flat Point Hard Cast sugestions

I received a bunch of 10mm 180 grain Truncated cone flat point hard cast bullets. Any ideas of a fast hunting load for deer/hogs with 800x. I don't want to push the envelope too far as I love my fingers and gun. Ill be using Blue Dot for my range fun, just wanted a fast hot load for the woods.

New Starline brass
300 cci primers
180g TCHC

Shooting a G29, 23 lb wolff spring/ss guide rod, KKM 4.75" barrel(this is the longest they will cut for 29 BTW)

Also I'm new to the cast bullet reloading. Am I ok using FMJ info minus 10% for hard cast bullets or is that a rumor I need to disregard?
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I received a bunch of 10mm 180 grain Truncated cone flat point hard cast bullets. Any ideas of a fast hunting load for deer/hogs with 800x. I don't want to push the envelope too far as I love my fingers and gun. Ill be using Blue Dot for my range fun, just wanted a fast hot load for the woods.

New Starline brass
300 cci primers
180g TCHC

Shooting a G29, 23 lb wolff spring/ss guide rod, KKM 4.75" barrel(this is the longest they will cut for 29 BTW)

Also I'm new to the cast bullet reloading. Am I ok using FMJ info minus 10% for hard cast bullets or is that a rumor I need to disregard?

First of all, are the bullets CAST LEAD flat points ... or are they true HARDCAST bullets? That will make the biggest difference in the answer. You want to use reduced loads if they are simply CAST LEAD, however, if you're using a true hardcast WFN bullet you can drive them as fast as you want.

In a G29 with your 4.75" KKM barrel you can carefully work up a 180gr HC bullet up to 1350+ fps with 800X.

With a 180gr CAST LEAD bullet, you wouldn't want to exceed maybe 1100fps or so.
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hardcast

Mid-Atlantic bullets calls them match grade hardcast bullets. "We cast only using 2-6-92 hard casting alloy (BHN 17)".
So I assume I can run them pretty hot and fast. Not looking for nuclear but fast and accurate.
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Mid-Atlantic bullets calls them match grade hardcast bullets. "We cast only using 2-6-92 hard casting alloy (BHN 17)".
So I assume I can run them pretty hot and fast. Not looking for nuclear but fast and accurate.
Yes, you are correct. BHN 18 is nice and hard... should be good for a good, fast load.
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I've been slowly working up 200gr XTP loads in between my very limited range time available and have worked up 8.5, 8.7, and 9.0gr 800X in my new Fusion longslide. Haven't had a chance to run them over the chrono but I have no pressure signs. I'm going to stop here until I get a chance to run them over the chrono but I'm pretty excited. I'm expecting that this 9gr load will net me over 1300fps with my 6" tube. More on this and other work-ups soon...

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I've been slowly working up 200gr XTP loads in between my very limited range time available and have worked up 8.5, 8.7, and 9.0gr 800X in my new Fusion longslide. Haven't had a chance to run them over the chrono but I have no pressure signs. I'm going to stop here until I get a chance to run them over the chrono but I'm pretty excited. I'm expecting that this 9gr load will net me over 1300fps with my 6" tube. More on this and other work-ups soon...

I am so familiar with how 800x works that I'll bet I could pretty much guess the velocity on those rounds even without chronographing them.

You probably won't run into pressure signs for quite a ways yet - I didn't run into any until 9.8 grains and that was with magnum primers. If you are using large pistol primers, you could even go higher.

I just pulled a bunch of bullets yesterday - I am low on LPPs though and may not have any for a while. Once I get some though I will be testing the 180s and 200s to see how fast I can get them.

Pretty soon I am going to have to get some brass. I think I will get 1,000 this time around.
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Kegs, what is your velocity estimate on my following load:

9.0gr 800X under 200gr XTP
CCI300 primers, new Wonchester brass
OAL 1.257", medium factory crimp

6" Fusion Traditional Hunter, ramped and supported barrel.

I'm guessing upwards of 1300fps or more...
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Kegs, what is your velocity estimate on my following load:

9.0gr 800X under 200gr XTP
CCI300 primers, new Wonchester brass
OAL 1.257", medium factory crimp

6" Fusion Traditional Hunter, ramped and supported barrel.

I'm guessing upwards of 1300fps or more...
Please run through the Kegsograph, I'm also curious about the predicted results.
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Great thread! I've been mostly on the reloading forum since I began reloading 1 year ago on a 550. I'd been using A#7, Longshot and Power Pistol prior to getting a # of 800X. I've been loading:

180gr FMJ's from Precision Delta
8.7gr 800X
Starline brass
Wolf LPP
weighing every charge
1.259 OAL
G20 stock barrel + Wolf 22# spring/guide rod IIRC

This is listed as the max load BUT after reading all of your results I'm wondering why? My guess is this is running about 1200 fps (have not been able to chrono yet).

Has anyone been tracking how many loads I should get from Starline brass? I've got a mix of regular & nickel.

BTW: When I've run the other powders with similar velocity in a CA89-10 (8.85" barrel with select fire) I've had some nasty split cases on the 2nd or 3rd load. Have not run the 800X though in it.

Thanks to all for sharing this great info!
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Has anyone been tracking how many loads I should get from Starline brass? I've got a mix of regular & nickel.

BTW: When I've run the other powders with similar velocity in a CA89-10 (8.85" barrel with select fire) I've had some nasty split cases on the 2nd or 3rd load. Have not run the 800X though in it.

Thanks to all for sharing this great info!
I still have yet to receive my order of Starline brass, but I do have a few of them that came in a box of Pow'RBall ammo. I haven't shot those reloads yet since the Starline brass reloads are my carry ammo. However, for all my shooting, I use used Federal and Remington Brass. Most have been fired with a max or near max book load at least twice, and all have been fired around 5-6 times. I've only had two splits. Both were in the first 1-2 firings, and I attribute both to either flawed brass, or deep scars/dents that occurred while being fired or stepped on trying to find the damn things.

Sounds like you're experiencing some short life, but I'm pretty new to 10mm. I am also aware I may be pushing my brass pretty close to the edge. Hopefully this Starline will show up and save me!

By the way, Starline brass seems to be thicker and better made than the others. I would expect it to last longer.

Also, I just looked up what the hell a CA89-10 is, and I saw some of your posts on HKPro. NICE pistol/rifle! A full auto 10mm "MP5" would be a monster! I'm not gonna lie, I'm jealous. Full-auto AND 10mm?! It doesn't get much better than that. I am guessing that the full-auto environment might be a little harsher on the brass. Maybe not, though.

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Please run through the Kegsograph, I'm also curious about the predicted results.
Bought some new large pistol primers today: 1 cci300 and 1 #2 1/2 - they were the same price...I hate to give all to one company.

9.0 grains ran my 200s @ 1222 average out of a 4.45" barrel and that was with magnum primers.

Add 60 fps for the +1.55" in bbl. length.
Subtract 40 fps for the change in primers.

My prediction is that your 200s will travel @ 1242 average* with 9.0gr. powder, long slide, LPP.

* 10 shot string. 5 shot string is a poopy sample. LOL!

Here's a further prediction: Every change in 0.2gr. increments will result in a 20 fps average increment up to 10gr. when your pistol will be up at 1322 fps average and you may not want to push it much higher than that...work up loads slowly because 8.8gr. is where they start to get hot.

Disclaimer: That funky fusion chamber may screw with my predictions.

Run 'em and see how I did!
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By the way, Starline brass seems to be thicker and better made than the others. I would expect it to last longer.

I've only used Starline but I have noticed that the nickel plated is holding up better. I'm getting ready to order more of it.

Also, I just looked up what the hell a CA89-10 is, and I saw some of your posts on HKPro. NICE pistol/rifle! A full auto 10mm "MP5" would be a monster! I'm not gonna lie, I'm jealous. Full-auto AND 10mm?! It doesn't get much better than that. I am guessing that the full-auto environment might be a little harsher on the brass. Maybe not, though.
Thank you. It has been very controllable when fired in short bursts (3-6 rounds) say at 7 yards. It is tough on the brass! I just started to fire my G20 so I'll have to compare the brass.
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Bought some new large pistol primers today: 1 cci300 and 1 #2 1/2 - they were the same price...I hate to give all to one company.

9.0 grains ran my 200s @ 1222 average out of a 4.45" barrel and that was with magnum primers.

Add 60 fps for the +1.55" in bbl. length.
Subtract 40 fps for the change in primers.

My prediction is that your 200s will travel @ 1242 average* with 9.0gr. powder, long slide, LPP.

* 10 shot string. 5 shot string is a poopy sample. LOL!

Here's a further prediction: Every change in 0.2gr. increments will result in a 20 fps average increment up to 10gr. when your pistol will be up at 1322 fps average and you may not want to push it much higher than that...work up loads slowly because 8.8gr. is where they start to get hot.

Disclaimer: That funky fusion chamber may screw with my predictions.

Run 'em and see how I did!
Interesting, thanks for the guesstimate. I don't know that I will run that much 800X under a 200gr pill at all in this pistol... we'll see. I'm not going over 9.0 until I have it chrono mapped. Then, and only then, will I play with working that load up any more. I have to know where I'm at for SURE before I know where I'm going.

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