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Old 04-24-2011, 19:44   #151
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Please consider posting your results in this page after you chrono your loads. I am as interested as anyone about this - it really is totally a guesstimate. I may load up some 9.0s with lpp this week with 200 xtps and see what I get. Maybe Wednesday if I can catch a break from business - it is picking up like never before - a very awesome thing!
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Old 04-24-2011, 19:49   #152
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Interesting, thanks for the guesstimate. I don't know that I will run that much 800X under a 200gr pill at all in this pistol... we'll see. I'm not going over 9.0 until I have it chrono mapped. Then, and only then, will I play with working that load up any more. I have to know where I'm at for SURE before I know where I'm going.

Oh yeah, I and I feel compelled to state that I wish I was able to own a fusion - especially a double stack 10 in commander size frame with a rail. He does not seem to offer that on his website, but I think that would be the cat's a55!

For now I will remain stuck with this Glock "action pistol" trigger.
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Please consider posting your results in this page after you chrono your loads. I am as interested as anyone about this - it really is totally a guesstimate. I may load up some 9.0s with lpp this week with 200 xtps and see what I get. Maybe Wednesday if I can catch a break from business - it is picking up like never before - a very awesome thing!
I will most DEF post my chrono results ... I've got a range report to report but I've been trying to get homework done and other stuff around the house and just haven't had time. I just got done loading up some 200gr XTP's over 9.3gr 800X this morning ...

Good thing about work picking up!
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Old 05-01-2011, 12:28   #154
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I decided my g30 45 to 10mm barrel wasnt cutting it(too many jams). So instead of getting a g29, I'm sticking with the 4.5" stormlake 400cb barrel for now. No data for 400cb with 800x so I started with 10mm data. Using a ProChrono...new starline 400corbon brass..cci 500 spp....155gr xtp.....OAL-1.189.....10grs-1254fps....10.5grs-1324fps....10.8grs-1373fps.....11grs-1427fps. Nothing looking real bad as for as primers and measured fired brass.I know you can get more out of a 10mm, but I refuse to push this load further as Cor bon has no data pushing a 155gr bullet past 1300-50 with any powder.
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Old 05-08-2011, 08:58   #155
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Today, 9:30 A/M

200gr. xtp
1-2x fired brass
800x powder
Remington #2 1/2 Large pistol primers

1400 ASL
59F Sunny, <10mph wind
30.06" of HG

Avg. of 5 shots:

8.5gr. = 1149
8.7gr. = 1164
8.9gr. = 1199
9.1gr. = 1220
9.3gr. = 1245

This suggests that magnum primers make no difference in the 200xtp load.

So in my above "forecast" add the difference I suspected it would make to the longslide velocity.
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Today, 9:30 A/M

200gr. xtp
1-2x fired brass
800x powder
Remington #2 1/2 Large pistol primers

1400 ASL
59F Sunny, <10mph wind
30.06" of HG

Avg. of 5 shots:

8.5gr. = 1149
8.7gr. = 1164
8.9gr. = 1199
9.1gr. = 1220
9.3gr. = 1245

This suggests that magnum primers make no difference in the 200xtp load.

So in my above "forecast" add the difference I suspected it would make to the longslide velocity.
Hey Kegs ... I posted a brief session I had with my chrono with my nuclear 800X loads here: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=11
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Old 05-08-2011, 16:54   #157
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I also endorse 9.0gr 800-X loading for the 200gr XTP (Rem nickel brass, CCI 300, COAL 1.260"). It is a serious round. I shot a bunch of them out of my stock G29 with no high pressure signs. Brass expansion was .433" maximum, which is still .002" below my personal maximum.

Other 800-X loads that I like are:
Silvertip 175gr, 10.2gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260"
Hornady 180gr XTP, 10.2gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260"
Hornady 155gr XTP, 11.5gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260" (could maybe go higher with this one)

All of these were shot from my stock G29, and none showed any bad pressure signs.
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Date: Monday, May 30th, 2011
Location: SW Missouri, Table Rock Lake, our little corner of Mark Twain National Forest
Weather: Sunny, 81F, Heat Index 86F, Humidity 50%, Pressure 30.09, Altitude ~500ft, Time: 10:00am
Chronograph: Shooting Chrony Beta
Pistol: Fusion Traditional Hunter 1911, ramped 6" barrel, 10mm
COAL: 1.255-1.257"
New Winchester brass
CCI 300 primers

Below are the results of my chrono tests. The format of the data is: Weight/Bullet, Charge/Powder, Lowest Velocity, Highest Velocity, Average Velocity, Extreme Spread, Standard Deviation, Comments All tests are from five-shot strings.

Bullets: Hornady XTP, Winchester (SXT) Supreme Expansion Talon, Wide Flat Nosed (with Gas Check) WFNGC hardcast

180 XTP - 9.0 800X - 1281, 1311, 1294, 30.11, 10.81 - nice load, however, 10.0gr load is better since I'm hand-weighing anyways
180 XTP - 10.0 800X - 1355, 1392, 1379, 36.32, 14.03 - AWESOME load, feels very snappy, can "feel" the power, I'd bet its a deer SLAYER, will play with some more
180 SXT Bonded - 9.3 800X - 1358, 1393, 1373, 35.67, 17.88 - FAST! wow! need to download this per results of water jug test
200 XTP - 9.3 800X - 1263, 1285, 1275, 22.67, 8.1 - my CURRENT deer load, although I will probably increase charges slightly up to around 1340fps or so, we'll see
200 XTP - DoubleTap - 1107, 1175, 1146, 68.42, 27.96 - not impressed but it HAS done its job on two different deer
200 WFN - DoubleTap - 1196, 1216, 1206, 20.09, 9.11 - good solid load, not as good as mine, though
200 WFN - 7.4 PP - 1089, 1105, 1098, 16.03, 6.78 - not too much to say here, either, but would work in a pinch
200 WFN - 9.0 800X - 1218, 1262, 1251, 44.61, 22 - work up part 1
200 WFN - 9.4 800X - 1292, 1334, 1310, 41.61, 21.77 - work up part 2
200 WFN - 9.7 800X - 1341, 1381, 1359, 39.5, 18.54 - work up part 3, awesome load --- POWER!

* NO PRESSURE SIGNS ON ANY OF THESE LOADS... except that the WFN handloads at bottom, primers are VERY slightly starting to flatten. DT load (not sure which one) had a SLIGHT increase in diameter above case web but not a bulge or smile. No bulges or splits at all on my handloads or reloads.

** DISCLAIMER: PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME ANY OF THESE LOADS ARE SAFE IN YOUR PISTOL. PLEASE USE PUBLISHED DATA AND DO YOUR OWN WORKUPS, CHECKING FOR PRESSURE SIGNS ALONG THE WAY.
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Old 06-11-2011, 21:18   #159
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Loaded some lightweight charges of 800-X under some Nosler 150 grain JHPs. I thought I would add these to the sticky since there is not a lot of data for this powder/projectile combo. I have been looking for excuses to burn through some of the supply of 800-X that I have onhand. I overbought thinking I would like it more than I do.

These would work great for reasonably-inexpensive range or IDPA loads. All functioned well and grouped nicely. Quick follow-up shots. Pressure indications suggest that this could be warmed up substantially, although I'm not sure that these Noslers will hold up under too much more velocity.

Firearm: G20 with factory barrel and spring weight.

Brass: Starline
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: Nosler 150 gr JHP
Powder: IMR Hi-Skor 800-X
COL: 1.25"
Temp: 60F

9.0 grains (5 shot string)
Average velocity: 1207
ME: 486
Std Dev on velocity: 22.0

9.3 grains (5 shot string)
Average velocity: 1211
ME: 488
Std Dev on velocity: 28.4

9.6 grains (10 shot string)
Average velocity: 1253
M/E: 522
Std Dev on vecotiy: 20.0

I am not aware of any factory load data to reference. The closest is Hodgdon data @ 9.8 grains max for a 155 gr XTP @ 1350 fps. 30,000 PSI. So the loads above are clearly on the medium-low scale with room to grow for those so inclined.
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Old 06-27-2011, 22:57   #160
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Firearm: G20 with KKM Barrel and Wolfe 22lb Spring Set
Brass: Starline
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: Hornady XTP 155 gr JHP
Powder: IMR Hi-Skor 800-X
COL: 1.260"
Temp: 77F

No Chrono Data

Most accurate load

9.7gr - 1.47" @ 21 yards [short indoor range] 5-shot group. No signs of any overpressure. This is almost max published load for this bullet but much less than most of the tested loads here..
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Old 07-13-2011, 13:15   #161
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Nosler 150 gr JHP with 800x powder and LPP (not mag) in New Star line brass loaded to 1.260"

11.4 gr charge gives me 1490 FPS in my KKM G-29 factory length barrel

The Old IMR 800x data stated that 11.6 gr was the max, I will load some up for testing soon, I have lots of 150 gr Nosler JHP and will see what I can get them going.


Old IMR Load Data Attached below.

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Old 07-13-2011, 21:44   #162
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IMR Load Data

Remember 14+ grains on 135gr jhp is considered very very very high, *caution*

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Old 07-22-2011, 22:31   #163
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I loaded some 150 gr Nosler JHP up to 12 grains of 800x and no change of velocity, I'm going to stop and go the opposite way, maybe 10.5gr they were not consistent on paper at all, like a shot gun pattern at 35 yards, the 180 grain rounds were much much much more tight shooting


I now agree that 135 and 150 gr Noslers are able to be loaded with Mag LPP, but work up with it, and keep the 1.260 COL, only way to get the real fast speed, but accuracy... that could be debatable out of my g29

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Old 08-31-2011, 18:28   #164
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150 noslers.

I just ran 11.2-11.8gr 8-shot relays this evening. Unfortunately, I must have run out of enough light for the chrono to "see" as some of the 11.6 rounds did not register and none of the 11.8 rounds registered at all.

Based on the look of my brass, there is a LOT of room for making these scoot faster. I will probably re-load the 11.8 relay, along with 12.0, 12.3, 12.6, 12.8, and 13.0 gr.

My 11.2 and 11.4 averages were about the same at 1430.
My 11.6 averaged 1454

Based on "median" velocities, I would expect 11.2 will average more like 1420, 11.4 @ 1440, 11.6 @ 1460 and so on...

My goal for this bullet is 1615 fps, which if my forecast is right should be reachable at around 13 grains of powder.

I will be checking spent brass after each relay on the next set of relays.

If all goes well, I will keep going until primers start getting flat or pop, then I will back off.
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1600fps with the 150gr Nosler will be a SCORCHING load! I've gone to 12.0gr with 155gr XTPs, but stopped due to pressure signs. You should be able to go a bit further with the lighter, shorter Nosler. Plus, you have the aftermarket barrel. I got 1412fps with the 150gr Noslers and 11.7gr 800-X. Of course, all of this was with a stock G29 barrel. That's as far as I've gone with them. Good luck, and don't blow yourself up!

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Old 09-04-2011, 19:20   #166
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Finally tested, my load was 1.260" Tula LP Mag, 800x @ 11.6 gr Nosler 150's out of glock 29 KKM factory length = 1490 fps at about 95 degrees. brass looked just fine.

Going to try 11.8 and some 12.0 going up....
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This is my first post, so forgive me if it is a repeat. I've been looking for answers all over but have not had any luck.

Could someone please send me a link to the 800x loadings?

I see that most loads say to use the CCI 350 primer. What I am doing is unloading some new winchester black tallons and am going to reload with 800x. I wanted to know if it is alright to leave the original winchester primer, or if I need to change it?

I was thinking 9.4g 800X. Please let me know if this is ok. I don't have a chrony to check them.

Thank you all for the help.
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This is my first post, so forgive me if it is a repeat. I've been looking for answers all over but have not had any luck.

Could someone please send me a link to the 800x loadings?

I see that most loads say to use the CCI 350 primer. What I am doing is unloading some new winchester black tallons and am going to reload with 800x. I wanted to know if it is alright to leave the original winchester primer, or if I need to change it?

I was thinking 9.4g 800X. Please let me know if this is ok. I don't have a chrony to check them.

Thank you all for the help.
DrSteagle8,

You are actually IN the 800X thread. Try page one and going through all of the pages of the thread to find the loads. http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=179348.

As for unloading Talons, IIRC, we've found that Talon's seem to not be built for true, full power 10mm speed. 9.4gr 800X would be a bit too hot, IMHO. I've loaded some pulled-from-factory BONDED 180gr SXT's (Talon bullet without the talon-tips) and at 9.3gr 800X (1370fps from a 6" barrel) the bullet blew apart into fragments in water jugs. I'd recommend only loading any 180gr Talons to about 1000-1100fps, honestly. If you've got a hold of some new, BONDED Ranger Talon's in 200gr, I'd be anxious to see what kind of speeds that bullet could take, but I'm still not holding my breath. The whole idea of a defensive bullet is to ALWAYS open up. You want something tougher for full power 10mm in my opinion.

As for keeping the original primers, I think that would be okay assuming you start low in your workups and work up slowly.
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I was able to test again today with the 800X 9.4 grains under the 200 Grain XTP, seated to 1.255", 350 CCI LP,
As shot from my S&W 1006 5" barrel, 1254 fps
Primer moderately flattened, casing was 0.4280”
Bullet traveled thru 4 gallon jugs of water and was 2" in the dirt berm
Bullet was expanded to 0.6550" and flattened down to 0.4830" in length
Retained weight was 182.8 grains

Slightly above sea level, Temps in the 70's, humid too!

Added 1/2/12
As shot from my Glock 29 3.78" barrel, 1284 fps
Primer moderately flattened, casing was 0.4340”
Bullet traveled thru 4 gallon jugs of water and was 2" in the dirt berm
Bullet was expanded to 0.6730" / 0.5935” and flattened down to 0.4915" in length
Retained weight was 190.0 grains


I liked this load, but I want to test it from the Glock 29's stock barrel tommorrow!<Done

Last time I ran these the battery in the Chrony was almost dead, New battery sure helps. Had some fun yesterday testing several air rifles and air pistols over the Chrony, when the projectiles hit the 1120-1140 fps mark the sonic crack becomes noticeable. Then the nephews and neices had plenty fun testing their Nerf Guns any where from 37 fps to 59 fps depending on which Nerf product was being shot...
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I was able to test again today with the 800X 9.4 grains under the 200 Grain XTP, seated to 1.255", 350 CCI LP,
As shot from my S&W 1006 5" barrel, 1254 fps
Primer moderately flattened, casing was 0.4280”
Bullet traveled thru 4 gallon jugs of water and was 2" in the dirt berm
Bullet was expanded to 0.6550" and flattened down to 0.4830" in length
Retained weight was 182.8 grains

Slightly above sea level, Temps in the 70's, humid too!

Added 1/2/12
As shot from my Glock 29 3.78" barrel, 1284 fps
Primer moderately flattened, casing was 0.4340”
Bullet traveled thru 4 gallon jugs of water and was 2" in the dirt berm
Bullet was expanded to 0.6730" / 0.5935” and flattened down to 0.4915" in length
Retained weight was 190.0 grains


I liked this load, but I want to test it from the Glock 29's stock barrel tommorrow!<Done

Last time I ran these the battery in the Chrony was almost dead, New battery sure helps. Had some fun yesterday testing several air rifles and air pistols over the Chrony, when the projectiles hit the 1120-1140 fps mark the sonic crack becomes noticeable. Then the nephews and neices had plenty fun testing their Nerf Guns any where from 37 fps to 59 fps depending on which Nerf product was being shot...
Thanks for the report, Shadow. I've shot this same load only with a CCI300 primer from my longslide and had similarly measured velocities.

My only question: you got 30fps faster with the G29???
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Interesting report Shadow...Thanks.
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Thanks for the report, Shadow. I've shot this same load only with a CCI300 primer from my longslide and had similarly measured velocities.

My only question: you got 30fps faster with the G29???
My only thoughts on the higher speed would be the Glock's barrel was clean and very lightly oiled (Read: wiped dry) it was 25 degerees cooler than the S&W1006 test, I had been shooting several thru the S&W1006 so the bore was not clean during the test.
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Old 01-15-2012, 18:28   #173
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todays tests

G20 6" LWD
mixed once fired brass
180gr XTP's
10.0 gr 800x
1.258 oal
cci 350's
chrono 15' ish
5000' asl
50 ish outside
5 shot strings

#1
L 1371
H 1466
A 1421
es 95.8
sd 35.xx

#2
L 1372
H 1440
A 1400
es 67
sd 26.xx

same as above with stock barrel

L 1286
H 1376
A 1314
es 90
sd 45.xx

cases had a little bulge, one or two with a tiny smile, primers pretty flat,
not sure about the spread I think it had to do with using mixed brass

Buffalo Bore
180 gr hp's
3 shots
L 1422
H 1440


BVAC (Bitterroot valley ammo) picked it up today for $195 OTD for 500rds new ammo it is advertised as being 1200 fps

6" LWD barrel
180gr fmj
L 1157
H 1189
es 32
sd 12.9
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Well, I had some SR 7625 to play with, so here goes.

WLP primers, Starline brass, 1.250(ish), 200g plain Jane hardcast, truncated cone.

6.2g 7625 made 1036 in stock gen 3 G20bbl, but was only able to get 2 shots to read, both were the same.

6.2g 7625 averaged 1047 in Lone Wolf 5.2" bbl for 3 shots.
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Did some comparison loads and ran them today. i had been using a FED LP mag primer and 9.2 gr of 800X under a 200 gr XTP for a solid 1200-1225 FPS. This felt like a pretty stompy load. Virgin starline nickel brass, BTW. 1.57-1.260.Standard length LW barrel.

I loaded 10 with 9.2-9.3 grains of 800x, and with standard Winchester primers..

with one round reading "3350" due to poor lighting, i moved the chrony, heres the rest
1255
1299
1202
-moved chrony-
1248
1253
1265
1245
1149- cloud cover
1232

According to my anal recods, i GAINED about 25 FPS average on this load, and the blast and recoil were noticeably less, and my concerns about running large quantities of these in my G-20 are also less. During load development, my Mag primered 9.3 gr, and even my 9.5 gr loadings did not get a consistent 1200 fps.
I like this load, and though it took some time, and several powders to get the "200 at 1200", and resulted in some disappointment with some powders it was worth it.
Hand weighing 800X is worth this kind of performance, IMO.

I do wonder at the loss of velocity with the mag primers, but do not miss the additional pressure. I want enough to get the job done, nothing more.
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