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Old 01-30-2011, 00:18   #121
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funny, i had one hit the metal rod a while back, I used a bbq shishkabob stick to take its place, no sign of the rod or bullet
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Old 01-30-2011, 09:59   #122
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One of my rods has recently been replaced with a wooden dowel.

I hit the front left one earlier this winter and it went zinging away somewhere - will probably run into it during the reasonable season if/when I am here.

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funny, i had one hit the metal rod a while back, I used a bbq shishkabob stick to take its place, no sign of the rod or bullet
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Old 01-30-2011, 21:28   #123
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Today, Rain :( Chrony is reading "ERROR 09" maybe the end of it but got this data before it got soaked, both loaded to 1.260" and Tula LP Mag primers

180 gr Privi HP 10.0 gr 800x out of g-29 w/KKM 1350 fps

200 gr XTP 9.5 gr 800x out of g-29 chrony died,

fired more 3 rounds, they pack a punch, only this load had some gas going past the primer, primer still flush but a small "black eye" around the primer, think I'll pull the last few down and stick to 9.3


-2 days later , chrony dried up and working again! gotta love them!

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Old 01-31-2011, 15:20   #124
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Go run a while through my threads. You'll see plenty. In fact, I just posted a couple today.
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I was referring to never having seen smiley's using DoubleTap or BB loads THROUGH MY RAZORBACK. My stock G29 and G20 barrels would occasionally hog belly hot 10mm cases...

What I'm looking for is how a Razorback barrel would compare (case support-wise) to most run-of-the-mill KKM aftermarket barrels using DT, BB or VERY hot reloads.

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Old 01-31-2011, 16:56   #125
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can you post a picture of your Razorback with a case in it? Barrel out of pistol?
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Old 02-01-2011, 11:34   #126
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can you post a picture of your Razorback with a case in it? Barrel out of pistol?
I will try and do that soon... very busy lately, however, me posting a pic of my barrel won't really tell us how it compares to an aftermarket Glock barrel since I don't have one of those here to show side-by-sdie.

Still, I'll get to it. Its BLIZZARD time!
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Old 02-19-2011, 13:12   #127
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I did it with 10.4gr of IMR 800-X, "don't try at home".
Are these your loaded long ones - and what primers did you use?
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Old 02-19-2011, 13:49   #128
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can you post a picture of your Razorback with a case in it? Barrel out of pistol?
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Old 02-19-2011, 15:29   #129
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Old 02-19-2011, 17:22   #130
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G29 KKM 4.45" bbl.

I just got done loading up 11.4grains of 800x using cci 350s (magnum primers) to push 135 grain noslers. My forecast was that they would have been going 1600 fps.

I ran a relay of 15 each (1) relay with a light crimp and the other with a medium-heavy crimp.

First of all, the velocity was all over the board on each relay. Secondly, I had a few failures to read with the chrono.

The relay with light crimp ran 1549 - primers flat, but okay.

The relay with medium-heavy crimp ran about 1620 on avg., and had 3 primers (out of 15) blow out. I also had about (3) fail to extract - to the point of having to extract them with a pocket knife - they were wedged in the barrel pretty bad!

I regret having loaded 50 extra of these today. Oh well...brass are going to be fried afterward.

I tried running these loads before with the 11.6 and 11.8 grains both light crimps. 11.6 was okay, but 11.8 was too much (primers blew).

I don't think cci 350s are good at all with these 135gr. loads.

I'm also going to go with a slightly lighter crimp on all loads.

I just think the magnum primers spike the pressure on these loads. Even though they were great with my 200xtp loadings, I think from now on I am going to go with cci 300s for almost everything with this powder and see how much I can work up with that.
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Old 02-19-2011, 18:15   #131
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I've given up on CCI350s altogether. Never saw any improvement in velocities, but definitely saw pressure signs.
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Old 02-19-2011, 19:16   #132
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G29 KKM 4.45" bbl.

I just got done loading up 11.4grains of 800x using cci 350s (magnum primers) to push 135 grain noslers. My forecast was that they would have been going 1600 fps.

I ran a relay of 15 each (1) relay with a light crimp and the other with a medium-heavy crimp.

First of all, the velocity was all over the board on each relay. Secondly, I had a few failures to read with the chrono.

The relay with light crimp ran 1549 - primers flat, but okay.

The relay with medium-heavy crimp ran about 1620 on avg., and had 3 primers (out of 15) blow out. I also had about (3) fail to extract - to the point of having to extract them with a pocket knife - they were wedged in the barrel pretty bad!

I regret having loaded 50 extra of these today. Oh well...brass are going to be fried afterward.

I tried running these loads before with the 11.6 and 11.8 grains both light crimps. 11.6 was okay, but 11.8 was too much (primers blew).

I don't think cci 350s are good at all with these 135gr. loads.

I'm also going to go with a slightly lighter crimp on all loads.

I just think the magnum primers spike the pressure on these loads. Even though they were great with my 200xtp loadings, I think from now on I am going to go with cci 300s for almost everything with this powder and see how much I can work up with that.
This post has me scratching my head. I have loaded up to 14.5 grains of 800-X (standard primer) with benign pressure symptoms. All with a sloppy Glock barrel. Velocities are 1695 fps. Yet you are getting blown primers at 11.X grains. Do you have any photos of the primers?

I do not shoot loads anywhere near 14 grains any longer under the 135 grainers. Not because I've had any issues, but it just doesn't make sense that it is a safe load. I'm wondering if with the compressed charge levels if I was getting an incomplete burn and that is why I wasn't building sufficient pressure to cause concern. I did not find any evidence of unburnt powder though. Weird. This is why I am not too enthused about this power/projectile combo any longer. A lot of anecdotal information that keeps me confused. I wish that I had chronographed velocities of lesser charges during my workups. That would have provided helpful data. Who knows.

I have several test batches at lower charge weights. I'm going to reduce to the latest max charge for the 155 grain as a starting point. We'll see what happens.

I agree with trying standard primers. Mag primers have always presented pressure symtoms at lower velocities that standard primers. That is accross all bullet weights.

Thanks for posting your results.
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Old 02-20-2011, 13:32   #133
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This post has me scratching my head. I have loaded up to 14.5 grains of 800-X (standard primer) with benign pressure symptoms. All with a sloppy Glock barrel. Velocities are 1695 fps. Yet you are getting blown primers at 11.X grains. Do you have any photos of the primers?
I don't have any photos of the primers, Tater - Those bad boys fly out pretty good once the slide opens - one hit me in the head a couple weeks ago.

I honestly think that the huge difference is the primers. I think the magnum primers seriously make a huge difference in this load - and it's not a good one.

I would like to load up some 300s in some cases and do a work up with the 135s. I still have a lot of 135s left unloaded.

Unfortunately, I have a lot of them loaded as well - I really hate to pull them, but I might.

With the mag primers velocities were all over the place too - from 1400 up to well over 1600. SD was triple digit!
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Old 02-25-2011, 08:14   #134
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Used Remington 2 1/2 primers and I got some serious velocities out of the 135 Nosler JHP...

(4.45" KKM bbl.):

COAL 1.260" +/- .005"

MEDIUM TAPER CRIMP (if you want description, ask.)

For starters:

12.7gr. 800x = 1598 average!
13.0gr. 800x = 1646 average!
13.3gr. 800x = 1696 average!

Maximum load is 14.5gr.

I did a 13.6 and 13.9 relay yesterday evening, but not enough light for chrono to read - so doing over today (hopefully).

Expect to hit 1810 fps average with the 14.5 load (this with a 4.5" bbl.) - but we'll see...primers were just starting to flatten out at the 13.9 level.

Changing over to cci 300s (NOT 350s!!! - see note above)today with new 13.3, - 14.5 loads (in 0.3gr. increments).

I am beginning to think that the right crimp makes an ENORMOUS difference in pressure and velocity with this load - my crimps are "medium" - light crimps won't make the speed, heavy crimps will cause overpressure.

Also noted that the first two relays of 11.5 and 11.8 had flipped results (11.5 averaged 1521 and 11.8 averaged 1501) because of a little shorter overall length as I loaded those first (first one was 1.24" COAL)
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Old 03-06-2011, 16:41   #135
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I have a 4.6" KKM in my G20 with a 20lb spring, and was getting 1650fps with 12gr 800x & Nosler 135s, WLPs. OAL is 1.26". The primers look pretty flat, and I was wondering if I should back off the charge, or just switch to CCI300 primers. I would like to shoot this load regularly, but don't want to push the pressure limits.
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Old 03-06-2011, 16:52   #136
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I think that would be worth trying. My best results by far with 800x has been with standard primers, specifically 300s.
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Old 03-06-2011, 21:49   #137
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Thanks Tater, I'm reading about guys pushing their guns over the edge, & all I want is sustainable maximum average pressure. Does 12gr behind a 135gr. Nosler in the KKM barrel fit this description, or should I dial it back if the CCI300s flatten like the WLPs?
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Old 04-13-2011, 14:00   #138
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10MM 180 grain Truncated Cone Flat Point Hard Cast sugestions

I received a bunch of 10mm 180 grain Truncated cone flat point hard cast bullets. Any ideas of a fast hunting load for deer/hogs with 800x. I don't want to push the envelope too far as I love my fingers and gun. Ill be using Blue Dot for my range fun, just wanted a fast hot load for the woods.

New Starline brass
300 cci primers
180g TCHC

Shooting a G29, 23 lb wolff spring/ss guide rod, KKM 4.75" barrel(this is the longest they will cut for 29 BTW)

Also I'm new to the cast bullet reloading. Am I ok using FMJ info minus 10% for hard cast bullets or is that a rumor I need to disregard?
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Old 04-13-2011, 14:10   #139
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I received a bunch of 10mm 180 grain Truncated cone flat point hard cast bullets. Any ideas of a fast hunting load for deer/hogs with 800x. I don't want to push the envelope too far as I love my fingers and gun. Ill be using Blue Dot for my range fun, just wanted a fast hot load for the woods.

New Starline brass
300 cci primers
180g TCHC

Shooting a G29, 23 lb wolff spring/ss guide rod, KKM 4.75" barrel(this is the longest they will cut for 29 BTW)

Also I'm new to the cast bullet reloading. Am I ok using FMJ info minus 10% for hard cast bullets or is that a rumor I need to disregard?

First of all, are the bullets CAST LEAD flat points ... or are they true HARDCAST bullets? That will make the biggest difference in the answer. You want to use reduced loads if they are simply CAST LEAD, however, if you're using a true hardcast WFN bullet you can drive them as fast as you want.

In a G29 with your 4.75" KKM barrel you can carefully work up a 180gr HC bullet up to 1350+ fps with 800X.

With a 180gr CAST LEAD bullet, you wouldn't want to exceed maybe 1100fps or so.
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Old 04-14-2011, 13:22   #140
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hardcast

Mid-Atlantic bullets calls them match grade hardcast bullets. "We cast only using 2-6-92 hard casting alloy (BHN 17)".
So I assume I can run them pretty hot and fast. Not looking for nuclear but fast and accurate.
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