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Old 04-14-2011, 13:41   #141
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Mid-Atlantic bullets calls them match grade hardcast bullets. "We cast only using 2-6-92 hard casting alloy (BHN 17)".
So I assume I can run them pretty hot and fast. Not looking for nuclear but fast and accurate.
Yes, you are correct. BHN 18 is nice and hard... should be good for a good, fast load.
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Old 04-18-2011, 16:50   #142
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I've been slowly working up 200gr XTP loads in between my very limited range time available and have worked up 8.5, 8.7, and 9.0gr 800X in my new Fusion longslide. Haven't had a chance to run them over the chrono but I have no pressure signs. I'm going to stop here until I get a chance to run them over the chrono but I'm pretty excited. I'm expecting that this 9gr load will net me over 1300fps with my 6" tube. More on this and other work-ups soon...

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Old 04-19-2011, 04:53   #143
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I've been slowly working up 200gr XTP loads in between my very limited range time available and have worked up 8.5, 8.7, and 9.0gr 800X in my new Fusion longslide. Haven't had a chance to run them over the chrono but I have no pressure signs. I'm going to stop here until I get a chance to run them over the chrono but I'm pretty excited. I'm expecting that this 9gr load will net me over 1300fps with my 6" tube. More on this and other work-ups soon...

I am so familiar with how 800x works that I'll bet I could pretty much guess the velocity on those rounds even without chronographing them.

You probably won't run into pressure signs for quite a ways yet - I didn't run into any until 9.8 grains and that was with magnum primers. If you are using large pistol primers, you could even go higher.

I just pulled a bunch of bullets yesterday - I am low on LPPs though and may not have any for a while. Once I get some though I will be testing the 180s and 200s to see how fast I can get them.

Pretty soon I am going to have to get some brass. I think I will get 1,000 this time around.
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Kegs, what is your velocity estimate on my following load:

9.0gr 800X under 200gr XTP
CCI300 primers, new Wonchester brass
OAL 1.257", medium factory crimp

6" Fusion Traditional Hunter, ramped and supported barrel.

I'm guessing upwards of 1300fps or more...
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Kegs, what is your velocity estimate on my following load:

9.0gr 800X under 200gr XTP
CCI300 primers, new Wonchester brass
OAL 1.257", medium factory crimp

6" Fusion Traditional Hunter, ramped and supported barrel.

I'm guessing upwards of 1300fps or more...
Please run through the Kegsograph, I'm also curious about the predicted results.
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Old 04-23-2011, 15:17   #146
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Great thread! I've been mostly on the reloading forum since I began reloading 1 year ago on a 550. I'd been using A#7, Longshot and Power Pistol prior to getting a # of 800X. I've been loading:

180gr FMJ's from Precision Delta
8.7gr 800X
Starline brass
Wolf LPP
weighing every charge
1.259 OAL
G20 stock barrel + Wolf 22# spring/guide rod IIRC

This is listed as the max load BUT after reading all of your results I'm wondering why? My guess is this is running about 1200 fps (have not been able to chrono yet).

Has anyone been tracking how many loads I should get from Starline brass? I've got a mix of regular & nickel.

BTW: When I've run the other powders with similar velocity in a CA89-10 (8.85" barrel with select fire) I've had some nasty split cases on the 2nd or 3rd load. Have not run the 800X though in it.

Thanks to all for sharing this great info!
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Has anyone been tracking how many loads I should get from Starline brass? I've got a mix of regular & nickel.

BTW: When I've run the other powders with similar velocity in a CA89-10 (8.85" barrel with select fire) I've had some nasty split cases on the 2nd or 3rd load. Have not run the 800X though in it.

Thanks to all for sharing this great info!
I still have yet to receive my order of Starline brass, but I do have a few of them that came in a box of Pow'RBall ammo. I haven't shot those reloads yet since the Starline brass reloads are my carry ammo. However, for all my shooting, I use used Federal and Remington Brass. Most have been fired with a max or near max book load at least twice, and all have been fired around 5-6 times. I've only had two splits. Both were in the first 1-2 firings, and I attribute both to either flawed brass, or deep scars/dents that occurred while being fired or stepped on trying to find the damn things.

Sounds like you're experiencing some short life, but I'm pretty new to 10mm. I am also aware I may be pushing my brass pretty close to the edge. Hopefully this Starline will show up and save me!

By the way, Starline brass seems to be thicker and better made than the others. I would expect it to last longer.

Also, I just looked up what the hell a CA89-10 is, and I saw some of your posts on HKPro. NICE pistol/rifle! A full auto 10mm "MP5" would be a monster! I'm not gonna lie, I'm jealous. Full-auto AND 10mm?! It doesn't get much better than that. I am guessing that the full-auto environment might be a little harsher on the brass. Maybe not, though.

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Please run through the Kegsograph, I'm also curious about the predicted results.
Bought some new large pistol primers today: 1 cci300 and 1 #2 1/2 - they were the same price...I hate to give all to one company.

9.0 grains ran my 200s @ 1222 average out of a 4.45" barrel and that was with magnum primers.

Add 60 fps for the +1.55" in bbl. length.
Subtract 40 fps for the change in primers.

My prediction is that your 200s will travel @ 1242 average* with 9.0gr. powder, long slide, LPP.

* 10 shot string. 5 shot string is a poopy sample. LOL!

Here's a further prediction: Every change in 0.2gr. increments will result in a 20 fps average increment up to 10gr. when your pistol will be up at 1322 fps average and you may not want to push it much higher than that...work up loads slowly because 8.8gr. is where they start to get hot.

Disclaimer: That funky fusion chamber may screw with my predictions.

Run 'em and see how I did!
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By the way, Starline brass seems to be thicker and better made than the others. I would expect it to last longer.

I've only used Starline but I have noticed that the nickel plated is holding up better. I'm getting ready to order more of it.

Also, I just looked up what the hell a CA89-10 is, and I saw some of your posts on HKPro. NICE pistol/rifle! A full auto 10mm "MP5" would be a monster! I'm not gonna lie, I'm jealous. Full-auto AND 10mm?! It doesn't get much better than that. I am guessing that the full-auto environment might be a little harsher on the brass. Maybe not, though.
Thank you. It has been very controllable when fired in short bursts (3-6 rounds) say at 7 yards. It is tough on the brass! I just started to fire my G20 so I'll have to compare the brass.
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Bought some new large pistol primers today: 1 cci300 and 1 #2 1/2 - they were the same price...I hate to give all to one company.

9.0 grains ran my 200s @ 1222 average out of a 4.45" barrel and that was with magnum primers.

Add 60 fps for the +1.55" in bbl. length.
Subtract 40 fps for the change in primers.

My prediction is that your 200s will travel @ 1242 average* with 9.0gr. powder, long slide, LPP.

* 10 shot string. 5 shot string is a poopy sample. LOL!

Here's a further prediction: Every change in 0.2gr. increments will result in a 20 fps average increment up to 10gr. when your pistol will be up at 1322 fps average and you may not want to push it much higher than that...work up loads slowly because 8.8gr. is where they start to get hot.

Disclaimer: That funky fusion chamber may screw with my predictions.

Run 'em and see how I did!
Interesting, thanks for the guesstimate. I don't know that I will run that much 800X under a 200gr pill at all in this pistol... we'll see. I'm not going over 9.0 until I have it chrono mapped. Then, and only then, will I play with working that load up any more. I have to know where I'm at for SURE before I know where I'm going.

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Please consider posting your results in this page after you chrono your loads. I am as interested as anyone about this - it really is totally a guesstimate. I may load up some 9.0s with lpp this week with 200 xtps and see what I get. Maybe Wednesday if I can catch a break from business - it is picking up like never before - a very awesome thing!
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Interesting, thanks for the guesstimate. I don't know that I will run that much 800X under a 200gr pill at all in this pistol... we'll see. I'm not going over 9.0 until I have it chrono mapped. Then, and only then, will I play with working that load up any more. I have to know where I'm at for SURE before I know where I'm going.

Oh yeah, I and I feel compelled to state that I wish I was able to own a fusion - especially a double stack 10 in commander size frame with a rail. He does not seem to offer that on his website, but I think that would be the cat's a55!

For now I will remain stuck with this Glock "action pistol" trigger.
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Please consider posting your results in this page after you chrono your loads. I am as interested as anyone about this - it really is totally a guesstimate. I may load up some 9.0s with lpp this week with 200 xtps and see what I get. Maybe Wednesday if I can catch a break from business - it is picking up like never before - a very awesome thing!
I will most DEF post my chrono results ... I've got a range report to report but I've been trying to get homework done and other stuff around the house and just haven't had time. I just got done loading up some 200gr XTP's over 9.3gr 800X this morning ...

Good thing about work picking up!
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400 corbon

I decided my g30 45 to 10mm barrel wasnt cutting it(too many jams). So instead of getting a g29, I'm sticking with the 4.5" stormlake 400cb barrel for now. No data for 400cb with 800x so I started with 10mm data. Using a ProChrono...new starline 400corbon brass..cci 500 spp....155gr xtp.....OAL-1.189.....10grs-1254fps....10.5grs-1324fps....10.8grs-1373fps.....11grs-1427fps. Nothing looking real bad as for as primers and measured fired brass.I know you can get more out of a 10mm, but I refuse to push this load further as Cor bon has no data pushing a 155gr bullet past 1300-50 with any powder.
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Today, 9:30 A/M

200gr. xtp
1-2x fired brass
800x powder
Remington #2 1/2 Large pistol primers

1400 ASL
59F Sunny, <10mph wind
30.06" of HG

Avg. of 5 shots:

8.5gr. = 1149
8.7gr. = 1164
8.9gr. = 1199
9.1gr. = 1220
9.3gr. = 1245

This suggests that magnum primers make no difference in the 200xtp load.

So in my above "forecast" add the difference I suspected it would make to the longslide velocity.
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Today, 9:30 A/M

200gr. xtp
1-2x fired brass
800x powder
Remington #2 1/2 Large pistol primers

1400 ASL
59F Sunny, <10mph wind
30.06" of HG

Avg. of 5 shots:

8.5gr. = 1149
8.7gr. = 1164
8.9gr. = 1199
9.1gr. = 1220
9.3gr. = 1245

This suggests that magnum primers make no difference in the 200xtp load.

So in my above "forecast" add the difference I suspected it would make to the longslide velocity.
Hey Kegs ... I posted a brief session I had with my chrono with my nuclear 800X loads here: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show...2&postcount=11
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I also endorse 9.0gr 800-X loading for the 200gr XTP (Rem nickel brass, CCI 300, COAL 1.260"). It is a serious round. I shot a bunch of them out of my stock G29 with no high pressure signs. Brass expansion was .433" maximum, which is still .002" below my personal maximum.

Other 800-X loads that I like are:
Silvertip 175gr, 10.2gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260"
Hornady 180gr XTP, 10.2gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260"
Hornady 155gr XTP, 11.5gr 800-X, CCI 300, Rem nickel, COAL 1.260" (could maybe go higher with this one)

All of these were shot from my stock G29, and none showed any bad pressure signs.
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Date: Monday, May 30th, 2011
Location: SW Missouri, Table Rock Lake, our little corner of Mark Twain National Forest
Weather: Sunny, 81F, Heat Index 86F, Humidity 50%, Pressure 30.09, Altitude ~500ft, Time: 10:00am
Chronograph: Shooting Chrony Beta
Pistol: Fusion Traditional Hunter 1911, ramped 6" barrel, 10mm
COAL: 1.255-1.257"
New Winchester brass
CCI 300 primers

Below are the results of my chrono tests. The format of the data is: Weight/Bullet, Charge/Powder, Lowest Velocity, Highest Velocity, Average Velocity, Extreme Spread, Standard Deviation, Comments All tests are from five-shot strings.

Bullets: Hornady XTP, Winchester (SXT) Supreme Expansion Talon, Wide Flat Nosed (with Gas Check) WFNGC hardcast

180 XTP - 9.0 800X - 1281, 1311, 1294, 30.11, 10.81 - nice load, however, 10.0gr load is better since I'm hand-weighing anyways
180 XTP - 10.0 800X - 1355, 1392, 1379, 36.32, 14.03 - AWESOME load, feels very snappy, can "feel" the power, I'd bet its a deer SLAYER, will play with some more
180 SXT Bonded - 9.3 800X - 1358, 1393, 1373, 35.67, 17.88 - FAST! wow! need to download this per results of water jug test
200 XTP - 9.3 800X - 1263, 1285, 1275, 22.67, 8.1 - my CURRENT deer load, although I will probably increase charges slightly up to around 1340fps or so, we'll see
200 XTP - DoubleTap - 1107, 1175, 1146, 68.42, 27.96 - not impressed but it HAS done its job on two different deer
200 WFN - DoubleTap - 1196, 1216, 1206, 20.09, 9.11 - good solid load, not as good as mine, though
200 WFN - 7.4 PP - 1089, 1105, 1098, 16.03, 6.78 - not too much to say here, either, but would work in a pinch
200 WFN - 9.0 800X - 1218, 1262, 1251, 44.61, 22 - work up part 1
200 WFN - 9.4 800X - 1292, 1334, 1310, 41.61, 21.77 - work up part 2
200 WFN - 9.7 800X - 1341, 1381, 1359, 39.5, 18.54 - work up part 3, awesome load --- POWER!

* NO PRESSURE SIGNS ON ANY OF THESE LOADS... except that the WFN handloads at bottom, primers are VERY slightly starting to flatten. DT load (not sure which one) had a SLIGHT increase in diameter above case web but not a bulge or smile. No bulges or splits at all on my handloads or reloads.

** DISCLAIMER: PLEASE DO NOT ASSUME ANY OF THESE LOADS ARE SAFE IN YOUR PISTOL. PLEASE USE PUBLISHED DATA AND DO YOUR OWN WORKUPS, CHECKING FOR PRESSURE SIGNS ALONG THE WAY.
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Loaded some lightweight charges of 800-X under some Nosler 150 grain JHPs. I thought I would add these to the sticky since there is not a lot of data for this powder/projectile combo. I have been looking for excuses to burn through some of the supply of 800-X that I have onhand. I overbought thinking I would like it more than I do.

These would work great for reasonably-inexpensive range or IDPA loads. All functioned well and grouped nicely. Quick follow-up shots. Pressure indications suggest that this could be warmed up substantially, although I'm not sure that these Noslers will hold up under too much more velocity.

Firearm: G20 with factory barrel and spring weight.

Brass: Starline
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: Nosler 150 gr JHP
Powder: IMR Hi-Skor 800-X
COL: 1.25"
Temp: 60F

9.0 grains (5 shot string)
Average velocity: 1207
ME: 486
Std Dev on velocity: 22.0

9.3 grains (5 shot string)
Average velocity: 1211
ME: 488
Std Dev on velocity: 28.4

9.6 grains (10 shot string)
Average velocity: 1253
M/E: 522
Std Dev on vecotiy: 20.0

I am not aware of any factory load data to reference. The closest is Hodgdon data @ 9.8 grains max for a 155 gr XTP @ 1350 fps. 30,000 PSI. So the loads above are clearly on the medium-low scale with room to grow for those so inclined.
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Firearm: G20 with KKM Barrel and Wolfe 22lb Spring Set
Brass: Starline
Primer: CCI 300
Bullet: Hornady XTP 155 gr JHP
Powder: IMR Hi-Skor 800-X
COL: 1.260"
Temp: 77F

No Chrono Data

Most accurate load

9.7gr - 1.47" @ 21 yards [short indoor range] 5-shot group. No signs of any overpressure. This is almost max published load for this bullet but much less than most of the tested loads here..
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