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Old 02-28-2006, 16:43   #41
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I learned during personal barrier testing that the Golden Saber is one of the toughest bullets on the market, followed by Gold Dot. Once in awhile GS will have a jacket separation, but it's rather rare compared to other brands.

Shot out one of the supports on my chrono, when the replacement arrives I have some 200XTPs to test out with AA #9 and KKM barrel.

I misread your post on bullet length.

180gr GS random sample is .635" long;

200 XTP random sample is .684" long.

The only Sierra bullets I have are rifle calibers, hope the above helps.

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Old 02-28-2006, 18:45   #42
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Accurate Arms data...

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Since this is the Accurate Arms powder data post area, would you e mail me a synopsis of your barrier testing with the Golden Sabre's and weights tested...please. Barrier penetration is a area I am keenly interested in and I especially wondered about the Golden Saber's.

YOu could just e mail to: ppro.........@.....mychoice.cc

Just drop all the dots but the one before the cc

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Old 03-06-2006, 23:20   #43
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Paul, e-mail sent.

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Old 05-21-2007, 18:31   #44
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Pleasant AA #7 surprise

KKM sent a replacement 6" barrel because of accuracy issues with the first one, so it's back to testing again because every barrel is different. Stock recoil spring/rod.

Using data from Speer and Hornady manuals, started out with 11.4grs and both manuals have a maximum of 12.0grs with their respective bullets.

Mid 90s, 30.04"AP and falling, 10%RH, 4200ft, Starline, WLP, 1.260" COAL, seven shot string, CED Millenium:

180gr GS - 1347fps/725fpe, ES 38fps, SD 13fps;

180gr Win JHP notched - 1373fps/753fpe, ES 24fps, SD 09fps

Power factor with both rounds in excess of 240 and a milder felt recoil than 10.7grs of HS-7 @1286fps/661fpe - old KKM barrel w/22# recoil spring/steel guide rod.

Replacement KKM barrel excellent on demand, freehand accuracy at 55 meters with both bullet loadings. No pressure signs.

I've started using the Win JHP notched more frequently in the last few months in multiple calibers; like what I'm seeing, especially in barrier testing.

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Old 05-28-2008, 20:17   #45
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AA # 7 180 Rem FMJ

AA#7
180 Rem FMJ
multi-fired brass
large magnum pistol primers cci 350
COAL ~ 1.26
Crimped only to remove bell from case (.424"-.423" ish dia.)
Chrony at 15" from muzzle
Shot only to find max load for guns and get some fps numbers.
60-70 F

Glock 20, 6" Glock Hunting Barrel
at 11.4, all rounds had flattened primers, and had a case ring diameter of .434 (my gun's observed max).
at 11.1 all rounds had flattened primers (not quite as bad as 11.4), and diameter of .434
at 10.8 some flatter primers, case diamater from .433 to .434
I'd feel safe probably up to 11.1... but know that 10.8 is better. I'll do further testing in this area.

9.9 gr
1110
1086
1158
1152

10.2 gr
1131
1129
1168
1174

10.5 gr
1189
1222
1209
1202

10.8 gr
1217
1238
1232
1247

11.1 gr
1271
1278
1260
1253

11.4 gr
1303
1284
1288
1293



S&W 610, 6.5"
All cases at all loads have flattened primers. At 11.4, primers filled all voids of pocket, and hung the cylinder on either a stuck case, or stuck case on firing pin ring on receiver face
11.1 showed no tightness when removing cartridges. Would call 11.1 max load.

9.9 gr
1086
1136
1161
1098

10.2 gr
1129
1193
1187
1174

10.5 gr
1201
1226
1222
1231

10.8 gr
1250
1231
1268
1267

11.1 gr
1230
1257
1288
1299


11.4 gr
1330
1295
1321
1318
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Old 08-05-2008, 15:55   #46
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Accurate Arms Data

I shoot a G-20 with a stock length Barsto Barrel. I have been using a published recipe of 11.0 gr of AA-7. 1.250 OAL. WLP, and a 180gr. Rainier FP bullet. Without the benefit of a chronograph, I saw some of the same indications over 11.0gr. The published speed on this @ 11.0 is 1200fps, so I imagine you are seeing a bit more velocity with a 6" barrel. AA-7 is a primer flattener, no doubt about it, and it burns clean, and meters well. I have tried other powders, but I am still happiest with AA-7, no matter where it is made. Thanks for publishing your data.
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Old 08-06-2008, 14:49   #47
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I'm going to do some #9 test loads. I'm starting with my 180 Rem FMJ, but does anyone have approximate start/max load numbers for Rem Golden Saber 165?
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Old 08-08-2008, 08:51   #48
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AA#9, 180 Rem FMJ MC

AA#9
180 Rem FMJ
multi-fired brass
large magnum pistol primers cci 350
COAL ~ 1.26 (found a little creep in a some of the low-power rounds unrelated to load)
Crimped (.421"-.422" ish dia.)
Chrony at 15" from muzzle
Shot only to find max load for guns and get some fps numbers.
70's F

Followed load data from two sources, Hornady book and Accurate web. Accurate listed loads from 12.2-13.5. Hornday started much lower and went up to 14.9

Glock 20, 6" Glock Hunting Barrel
at 14.9, rounds had semi-flattened primers (not squished). Rounds were maxing at .433 case diameter. Didn't make .434 (my gun's observed max).
From 14 up, recoil was assertive.
All loads seemed to leave a lot of crud behind unburnt or dirty powder... lots of little yellow flecks

12.2 gr
1149
1170
1160
1183

12.5 gr
1099
1145
1172
1168

12.8 gr
1162
1174
1143
1195
1207

13.1 gr
1234
1186
1217
1233

13.4 gr
1231
1218
1251
1226

13.7 gr
1280
1251
1257
1244

14.0 gr
1254
1274
1269
1251

14.3 gr
1278
1299
1297
1267

14.6 gr
1302
1302
1308
1309

14.9 gr
1316
1299
1293
1294



S&W 610, 6.5"
Flattened primers appeared early. Have to reexamine cases for more detail at different charges.
If I fire one shot at a time and open cylinder, I didn't have problems with the cylinder not wanting to open. Cases always extracted smoothly, no bind. If I fired 3 rounds in succession, not opening the cylinder, I did see some issues opening the cylinder above 13.1 gr. Cases are never stuck to receiver face. It seems it has something to do with the gear in the center of the cylinder. Cylinder turns easily.... so not sure what's happening


12.2 gr
1106
1180
1142
1160

12.5 gr
1166
1155
1193
1160

12.8 gr
1167
1188
1217
1207
1239

13.1 gr
1194
1230
1241
1225

13.4 gr
1218
1248
1241
1221

13.7 gr
1253
1255
1282
1255

14.0 gr
1288
1278
1259
1307

14.3 gr
1300
1337
1318
1305

14.6 gr
1346
1340
1322

14.9 gr
1283
1348
1334
1307
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Old 08-08-2008, 09:42   #49
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AA-7 burns better than AA-9 for me. I use AA-9 in .44 Mag. I also use a standard WLP with AA-7. My OAL is 1.250. Good Luck.
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Old 08-08-2008, 14:26   #50
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in these powders, aside from case capacity, what difference will the 1.25 vs 1.26 oal make?
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I found the 1.250 feeds better in my Glock & Para conversion, and a little more pop...The main thing was feeding.
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Old 08-08-2008, 17:03   #52
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ok, good to know. I haven't had any issues with the 1.26"

I've found a problem in my reloading practice. When I load longish 1.261-1.266; and when I have a longer than normal case, I'm getting a bulge in the bullet from my crimp. I'm fairly certain this affects my velocity readings in my pistols...and other uses.

Need to get a .40 bullet comparator or drop in round checker to avoid this
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Old 08-10-2008, 19:18   #53
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Revised AA #9, 180 Rem FMJ MC

Reset my press today to take care of seating variance/crimp variance.

Now loading to 1.25" COAL
Starline new brass
crimp to .422
cci 350
shooting at 76 deg
chrony at 15'

Strings were shot 5 in g20, 5 in 610, then repeat

Glock only had one round that made .434" case ring (my gun's observed max)

From my numbers, I'm guessing that in the pistols, the bullet's out of the barrel before all the powder's burned.

G20
14.5 gr
1293
1316
1304
1314
1325
1333
1326
1316
1332
1350

610
14.5 gr
1349
1313
1320
1324
1305
13470
1324
1317
1328
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I'm waiting to see if it's ok to put non-pistol, 10mm data here... but as a tease, did you know a 180 Rem fmj on 14.5 gr of #9 will do from 1530-1550 ish in a 16" gas-op 10mm ar?
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Why not? 10 MM is 10 MM.
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just want to be sure no one gets panties in a wad

I don't intend to post load numbers for anything but my pistol-safe loads... but I can give velocities of those loads in the ar when I run it
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Old 09-02-2008, 12:40   #57
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180gr FMJ, Starline brass, Fed 150primers
8.6grs AA#5
AVG out of Glock 20: 1031 fps.

Not too bad for a plinking 10mm load.
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G20 6" OEM barrel:
7600 ft, 45 degrees

180gr GDHP 14.5gr #9=1264 avg fps
180gr HornadyXTP 14.2gr #9=1255 avg fps
180gr speer TMJ 14.5gr #9=1220 avg fps

third firing on starline brass(max)
CCI300
Coal:1.250 crimped
cronoed at 10 ft
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Old 10-13-2009, 16:47   #59
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85F 5000ft CCI 350 primers Starline brass AA 7 powder 1.255" OAL:

G29:
135gr 13.5gr - 1310fps
155 XTP 12.6 - 1263fps
165gr Sierra 12.0gr - 1232fps
180gr XTP 10.9 - 1145fps
200gr XTP 10.3 - 1092fps
220gr Precision FP 9.2gr - 975fps

G20:
135gr 13.5gr - 1409fps
155 XTP 12.6 - 1356fps
165gr Sierra 12.0gr - 1291fps
180gr XTP 10.9 - 1189fps
200gr XTP 10.3 - 1141fps
220gr Precision FP 9.2gr - 1027fps

6"KKM:
135gr 13.5gr - 1557fps
155 XTP 12.6 - 1462fps
165gr Sierra 12.0gr - 1370fps
180gr XTP 10.9 - 1266fps
200gr XTP 10.3 - 1205fps
220gr Precision FP 9.2gr - 1062fps
Whoa, hold on now! Your AA#7 charges for 200 and 220 are insanely dangerous...WAY over pressure (>50 kpsi ): insta hand grenade.

135gr through 165gr data is actually overly cautious, although the 180gr loading is a little too hot.
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Whoa, hold on now! Your AA#7 charges for 200 and 220 are insanely dangerous...WAY over pressure (>50 kpsi ): insta hand grenade.

135gr through 165gr data is actually overly cautious, although the 180gr loading is a little too hot.
I am curious how you are deriving your pressure numbers. Would you mind sharing?

The only 10mm I use AA powders for is my 200.

Berry's 200gr plated RS
G20-6" ported LW barrel
CCI or Win primer
14.3 Gr of #9
High 1248
Low 1210
Alt-4500 ft
Temp 65
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