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Old 06-11-2004, 21:51   #51
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It's not only possible, but been done many thousands of times over. There is some load data just below with 185s at 1400+fps. My friend is a very experienced handloader (been handloading longer than I have been alive). He knows what he is doing.
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Old 06-11-2004, 21:56   #52
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Didn't say it was not possible. I said it was not possible below 35,000psi and that this is apparently ok in spite of it being over the .45 Super pressure limit.
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Old 06-11-2004, 22:00   #53
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There is no max pressure limit set as a standard for the 45 Super so it's impossible to be "over the .45 Super pressure limit". Only a known factory loaded pressure exists. That being the case, handloaders must proceed with caution. If no pressure signs exists, then all is well. 45 Super brass is amazingly strong.
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Someone told me 28,000psi was the limit but perhaps they meant that is what ACE recommends as the limit. If so, I would still take what they say as the acting standard and then loading higher until there are signs of pressure would be no different than loading 9mm to reach Major, etc, even if it was over +P+ standards but yet showed no signs of pressure.

So what is safe and prudent for a Glock with a factory barrel with unsupported web?

At what point does it become unwise to push the limits with a stock Glock barrel (but 22lb spring)?
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28,000 is what Ace's loads 45 Super at. Certainly not the cartridge's upper limit. Factory 45 Super is so watered down it's almost comical.

What is safe for a Glock is to be determined by the handloader. My friend has not yet reached that limit and his handloads are what the 45 Super should be, not what Aces' offers. The 45 Super offers FAR more performance than what it is currently loaded to by the factory.
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Old 06-12-2004, 06:46   #56
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28,000 is what Ace's loads 45 Super at. Certainly not the cartridge's upper limit. Factory 45 Super is so watered down it's almost comical.

What is safe for a Glock is to be determined by the handloader. My friend has not yet reached that limit and his handloads are what the 45 Super should be, not what Aces' offers. The 45 Super offers FAR more performance than what it is currently loaded to by the factory.
I suspect ACE is limited by the pistol slide battering (1911) not the brass or chamber. It is nice to know hot handloads can be created for hunting, and it would be nice if someone loaded .45 Super hotter than ACE so I could use it for self defense, but I decided I would not use handloads for self defense because, among other reasons, there is no reference for forensics to later determine shooting distance from powder debris.
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Penetration with full-power 45 Super would be too severe for a self defense role; unless you like around 3 feet of penetration in gelatin.;f Recoil is also another issue. Doubletaps with a 185gr. JHPs at 1500fps is near impossible.
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Penetration with full-power 45 Super would be too severe for a self defense role; unless you like around 3 feet of penetration in gelatin.;f Recoil is also another issue. Doubletaps with a 185gr. JHPs at 1500fps is near impossible.
I am sure there is some bullet weight which would do 13-16 inches of gelatin at high speed. I am not sure if it would be a 165 or 185 or 200 or 230. Hollowpoints often penetrate less as they go faster.
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Thats not always true. 180gr. Gold Dots loaded to .40S&W velocities go about 13". DoubleTap's 10mm Gold DOts exceed 18.5" at 1300fps. Bullet construction is a big factor here.
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But DoubleTap's 165 does around 14 inches. So there is a weight which works for higher speed.
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.40S&W 165s do a tad less to the same penetration as DT's 165gr. load. It would seem more velocity in the heavier bullet weights typically means more penetration. The light to mid-weight bullets tend to remain closer as velocity increases (to a point at least).

I shot a metal 5 gallon container filled with water with a 45 Super 230gr. JHP from my G30. The bullet fully penetrated the container exploding it in the process and then penetrated far enough into the ground for me to be unable to recover it. I think the heavier 45 Super loads, like the heavier 10mm loads, penetrate too much to use as a self defense load. Again, unless you like a couple of feet of penetration.
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It seems to me that the question is not bbl. length but useable length.

The Super is a fun round, however having the ultimate dragon slayer is not practicle as is. The point is that the 45 Super may be used inside a particular envelope that does not reflect real world defense possibilities.

The 44 mag. is a wonderful round (read full power), but it is a professional shooters caliber only. For follow up shots you wait for the weapon to come down into the shoot zone. The dwell time is a waste to quick shooting.

That said the Super is a fun cartridge that I occasionally shoot for long distance targets in a compensated G-21 set up for this round.

I beleive while fun the Super is limited to heavy guns or light tac. loads.Not very practicle for a defense purpose.^2
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Old 11-14-2004, 20:52   #64
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I'm interested...

in the .45 Super for my G30, but I'm having trouble locating heavy recoil springs for that weapon.

Any tips?

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Old 11-14-2004, 20:56   #65
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Old 11-14-2004, 21:22   #66
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Old 12-18-2004, 18:34   #67
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I love shooting the .45 Super through my G 30.My carries a 21lb spring for everythiong as well.No malfunctions.
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Old 12-28-2004, 17:47   #68
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If the original poster is still checking in I'd like to know what kind of guide rod he put in.
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Old 12-28-2004, 17:50   #69
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Wolff uncaptured guide rod.

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Old 12-28-2004, 18:04   #70
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Thanks! $35 sounds a lot better than $1189 from Ace for a completely worked over gun.
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Old 01-05-2005, 11:41   #71
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45GAP (Super) load workups?

Since most agree that 45Super better suits the needs of hunting rather than CCW, has anyone done similar load workups for the smaller case volume 45GAP?

Reference: http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=327673

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Old 06-25-2005, 07:33   #72
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Doesnt 185gr Double Tap Gold Dots get about 1100 out of a G30 ? They arent even +P rated.
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DT's 185gr. load is advertised at 1225fps from a 5" barrel. This is what I got with 45 Super from the G30. Same performance as the DT 185gr. load, but with a 1.25" shorter barrel.
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Old 08-04-2005, 23:03   #74
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Maybe it's been posted before, but over on 1911forum.com in the forums under reloading there's a good sticky on 45 Super loads. 255-275 gr. bullets included.

Edit: Temporarily down, but when it comes back up, check it out.
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Old 12-09-2005, 10:48   #75
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450 smc brass

Anyone know a source for 450SMC brass? (45Super with small primer pocket.)
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