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Old 06-12-2004, 10:13   #61
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.40S&W 165s do a tad less to the same penetration as DT's 165gr. load. It would seem more velocity in the heavier bullet weights typically means more penetration. The light to mid-weight bullets tend to remain closer as velocity increases (to a point at least).

I shot a metal 5 gallon container filled with water with a 45 Super 230gr. JHP from my G30. The bullet fully penetrated the container exploding it in the process and then penetrated far enough into the ground for me to be unable to recover it. I think the heavier 45 Super loads, like the heavier 10mm loads, penetrate too much to use as a self defense load. Again, unless you like a couple of feet of penetration.
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Old 09-06-2004, 17:17   #63
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It seems to me that the question is not bbl. length but useable length.

The Super is a fun round, however having the ultimate dragon slayer is not practicle as is. The point is that the 45 Super may be used inside a particular envelope that does not reflect real world defense possibilities.

The 44 mag. is a wonderful round (read full power), but it is a professional shooters caliber only. For follow up shots you wait for the weapon to come down into the shoot zone. The dwell time is a waste to quick shooting.

That said the Super is a fun cartridge that I occasionally shoot for long distance targets in a compensated G-21 set up for this round.

I beleive while fun the Super is limited to heavy guns or light tac. loads.Not very practicle for a defense purpose.^2
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Old 11-14-2004, 21:52   #64
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I'm interested...

in the .45 Super for my G30, but I'm having trouble locating heavy recoil springs for that weapon.

Any tips?

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Old 11-14-2004, 21:56   #65
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Old 11-14-2004, 22:22   #66
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Old 12-18-2004, 19:34   #67
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I love shooting the .45 Super through my G 30.My carries a 21lb spring for everythiong as well.No malfunctions.
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Old 12-28-2004, 18:47   #68
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If the original poster is still checking in I'd like to know what kind of guide rod he put in.
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Old 12-28-2004, 18:50   #69
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Wolff uncaptured guide rod.

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Old 12-28-2004, 19:04   #70
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Thanks! $35 sounds a lot better than $1189 from Ace for a completely worked over gun.
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Old 01-05-2005, 12:41   #71
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45GAP (Super) load workups?

Since most agree that 45Super better suits the needs of hunting rather than CCW, has anyone done similar load workups for the smaller case volume 45GAP?

Reference: http://glocktalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=327673

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Old 06-25-2005, 07:33   #72
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Doesnt 185gr Double Tap Gold Dots get about 1100 out of a G30 ? They arent even +P rated.
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DT's 185gr. load is advertised at 1225fps from a 5" barrel. This is what I got with 45 Super from the G30. Same performance as the DT 185gr. load, but with a 1.25" shorter barrel.
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Old 08-04-2005, 23:03   #74
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Maybe it's been posted before, but over on 1911forum.com in the forums under reloading there's a good sticky on 45 Super loads. 255-275 gr. bullets included.

Edit: Temporarily down, but when it comes back up, check it out.
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Old 12-09-2005, 11:48   #75
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450 smc brass

Anyone know a source for 450SMC brass? (45Super with small primer pocket.)
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Re: 450 smc brass

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Anyone know a source for 450SMC brass? (45Super with small primer pocket.)
I am a wanting to go this route too....check with Mike Mcnett
Double Tap Ammo he wrote that by Shot Show he will have loaded ammo...I am guessing he can get you some brass if he's amind to.

The .450 SMC


From: '1911 Hot Rods'

In the later part of 2000, Triton announced a new cartridge based on the .45 ACP case head. The .450 SMC is basically a .45 Super with a small primer pocket. A smaller primer pocket means more brass in the web area, but I am not sure if the added strength is really needed here. There may also be some ballistic advantages, and small rifle primers are not as prone to primer flow in these cartridges. But I suspect one reason for the small primer is to make the round visibly different from the .45 Super.

450 SMC
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165 grain at 1,450
230 grain at 1,150

Of course, Triton could have just marketed the .45 Super under a different name, as Garey Hindman has no lock on the design itself, only the .45 Super name. Still, having a visibly different case more clearly separates the .450 SMC from the .45 Super.

External dimensions of the .450 SMC are the same as the .45 Super and .45 ACP. Factory ballistics are quoted by Triton to be slightly higher than the .45 Super.

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Small primer pocket for the extra preassure?

you could just use Large Rifle, correct?
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Small rifle primers are the same size as small pistol primers.Large rifle primers are deeper(taller) than large pistol primers.
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Old 01-21-2006, 12:09   #79
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Is there a diffenrence in useing Starline .45 super brass and Triton?

I just picked up a bit of loaded Triton and will be reloading for .45 super with that brass.

Is standard large pistol OK to use at the mid to upper levels??
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A standard primer should be okay.For 400 Corbon,Corbon recommends CCI-300 standard or CCI-350 magnum primers.They recommend Winchester small pistol for the small primer brass.CCI large pistol primers work well.Either standard or magnum.
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