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Old 03-19-2014, 21:47   #1
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200gr xtp, looking to strike the perfect balance.

So here the deal guys. I carry my g20sf with oem barrel a lot while in the outdoors. I frequently have encounters with small and medium size black bears. Nothing dicey. ( SE ak ) I have a dedicated animal round, a 200gr BT HC at 1230 fps. But I've decided my chance of running into some issues with some tweaked weirdo is probably just a good as a small bear( yes I also carry bear spray) so I'd like to work up some sort of duel purpose load and I've settled on the 200gr xtp. ( my buddy just sold me 3 boxes from his stash) from what I've researched the hyper fast stuff like underwood at 1270fps is really only getting 16" penetration and the pbr stuff around 1175fps is getting around 20". What I'd like is the most penetration possible, while still getting reliable decent expansion. I'm thinking that maybe 1175 is what I should be shooting for. I've got a good supply of Longshot and maybe 3/4lbs of A#9. And I've got plenty of cci 350's and fed standard LP primers. Do you guys have a fps recommendation? How about a load. I'd like to try and get Way from the BT HC. The gun has always been 100% with hot gold dots and 135 noslers but the gun will ftfeed about every 100rnds with the HC which makes me nervous. I shoot a lot of 180xtps at like 1250 fps and they shoot 100%.

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Old 03-19-2014, 22:00   #2
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Maybe alternate FMJ and JHP rounds in your magazine.

I can't find 200's so use 180s at 1200 in both types of bullets.
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Old 03-19-2014, 23:10   #3
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XTPs are versatile. 13.0 grains of A9 under a 200 gr is dead nuts accurate. About 1200 fps in my G20. No issues with pressures.


That load uses a WIN WLP, but I've found A9 to be agreeable with CCI 350s. Hornady's max is 13.2 grains. Accurate's was 12.5 when they still published that load (for whatever reason Accurate keeps dropping 10mm loads in each successive manual).


I'd start at about 12.0 and work up toward Hdy's max. You're gun will tell you when it is happy.
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Old 03-20-2014, 18:42   #4
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You should be able to easily work up to 1175fps from your stock G20 barrel using Longshot and the Fed. std. primers without any pressure issues. I tend to stay away from mag. primers in 10mm, mainly because I have seen lower standard deviations and lower pressure signs with standard primers and 0.2 - 0.3gr more powder (to get the same velocity) as I have when working with mag. primers when I have tried it. But, based on a few undesirable results, I quit doing load development with magnum primers for 10mm, so most of my load development data lacks a mag primer comparison. The only real exception is that I load WLP's exclusively for my A#9 loads for no other reason than the Accurate load data recommends them, and it seems to work well there. If Taterhead says A#9 is good to go with CCI#350's, that's good enough for me! You should be able to get 1175fps using the A#9 and CCI#350's, too. The A#9 will give you a lower flash signature, which to me is a reason well worth using it as a carry load (which I do).
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Old 03-20-2014, 19:41   #5
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A little side history... Speer actually called for CCI 350s when using A9 under 200 grainers. They obviously don't sell component 200 grainers any longer so that data was dropped from current print.


Also Accurate used to print load data with CCI 300s. They changed that to WLPs, but I don't see any adjustments to load data (other than the fact that they keep dropping loads in each successive manual).

In my opinion, the prior "Loadbooks" was a fantastic resource for 200 grain load data for A9. The most current edition has "caught up" with current manufacturer data, for the most part, so the Speer 200 gr loads are gone.

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Old 03-20-2014, 21:37   #6
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XTPs are versatile. 13.0 grains of A9 under a 200 gr is dead nuts accurate. About 1200 fps in my G20. No issues with pressures.


That load uses a WIN WLP, but I've found A9 to be agreeable with CCI 350s. Hornady's max is 13.2 grains. Accurate's was 12.5 when they still published that load (for whatever reason Accurate keeps dropping 10mm loads in each successive manual).
I'm not sure why you would say this? Accurate has published the 200gr Hornady JHP at 12.5gr at 1170fps from 1995 up until and including Version 3.5.

Version 5 left it out, maybe a screw up, but from what data I can find it is still the same and has not dropped since 1996.

http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre.../Accurate.html
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Old 03-20-2014, 23:18   #7
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I'm not sure why you would say this? Accurate has published the 200gr Hornady JHP at 12.5gr at 1170fps from 1995 up until and including Version 3.5.

Version 5 left it out, maybe a screw up, but from what data I can find it is still the same and has not dropped since 1996.

http://www.castpics.net/LoadData/Fre.../Accurate.html

You are right, and that is what I'm saying. The HDY bullet has been in print for a long time, but is no longer.




They have no 200 gr jacketed data at all. Their overall list of A9 loads has ebbed and flowed over the years. At times has included a selection of Nosler and Speer bullets, etc. There were changes in this version. I'll need to dig that out, but there are a lot of bullet types that are no longer in print if you go back to manual #1 from the mid-to-late 90s (I think that is linked on your CB link).


Granted, it makes sense to drop bullets that are out of production, such as 190 Sierras and 170 gr Noslers, etc.
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Old 03-21-2014, 08:39   #8
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DUH.

I read that as Accurate was Dropping the powder charge, not the entire load, sorry.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:25   #9
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I contacted Western Powders and asked them why they omitted the 200gr XTP 10MM load. This is their reply.

Steve,
Not sure why the data did not get printed in the 5.0 load guide. The data is still good to go. start at 11.3 grains and a max of 12.5 grains.

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Old 03-21-2014, 13:43   #10
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One thing I like about the reloading industry is that customer service is still alive and well. You can still get a response from an actual human in the good old USA. RCBS, Dillon, Hodgdon, Western Powders, etc. are all easy to contact and you get a competent person to answer questions.
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Old 03-21-2014, 14:06   #11
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Last year I switched from XTP's to these DT/HC. With a 6" KKM and 800X I'm loading these to 1,300fps. They're as accurate as the XTP's, cheaper and offer more penetration than HP's which would be preferable for larger critters IMHO. On deer they're "one and done".

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.p...product_id=269

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Old 04-04-2014, 13:12   #12
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Last year I switched from XTP's to these DT/HC. With a 6" KKM and 800X I'm loading these to 1,300fps. They're as accurate as the XTP's, cheaper and offer more penetration than HP's which would be preferable for larger critters IMHO. On deer they're "one and done".

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.p...product_id=269
Could you give the load data you use.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:42   #13
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Could you give the load data you use.
Caution: I'm shooting these loads from a 6" KKM barrel w/supported chamber and do not endorse or recommend their use in factory Glock barrels. Exercise safety and ladder up to max loads..........

- 200 grn. Double Tap Hardcast WFNGC
- 9.3 grn. IMR 800X (hand thrown, individually weighed)
- CCI # 300 Large Pistol Primer
- Starline Brass
- Lee tapper crimp die
- OAL 1.26"

I use the same load for 200 grn. XTP's and FNFMJ

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Old 04-07-2014, 11:55   #14
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I load the 200gr. XTP when I can't find the 180gr. ones. (Like the last three years. Ugh) Anyway, it seems the powder charges need to be significantly less than that of 180 grain loads. With 13.1 grains of #9 I get right around 1250fps out of a 5" 10mm 1911. I use standard CCI 300 primers - no magnums with my 10mm's.
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Old 05-01-2014, 19:21   #15
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with 200 gr XTP's, and 800X (handweighed) i am able to get an honest 1180-1250 fps froma stock lenght LW barrel. Its pretty much POI to 100 yards, and recoil is actually pretty mild.

the 200Gr XTP is a great bullet, and many powders will get it to 1100 FPS without too much trouble. AA9, longshot, power pistol all will work for you.

Of course, in aperfect world, Unique would do it!
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