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Old 03-16-2015, 19:34   #1
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new 10mm guy, Lil help please

Greetings gang,
First post here...been lurking/studying for a while. ..I have been a glock guy for a long time(g21 gen 4 is edc)and recently got into the 10mm madness....I got a ton of 200g rnfp copper jackets and plan on running mostly them (with 200g xtp enroute)....I see the 200g under 9.3 of 800x as a popular hot load. But not much for the rnfp bullet. These are solid bullets with a sealed base from midway. As a plinking load I plan on 8.5g of Longshot but the big bangers with the 800x....since I got bout 1k of these bullets, these are the ones to go with. I don't have either 800x or LS yet but tons of 2400, unique, universal and rifle powders.long time reloader and from what I read 800x measures poorly so hand measuring is no problem...looking to you guys for wisdom..oh, the gun for now is a.rock island tac 1911commander size...soon to be a glock 20 ( or 40 soon as they come in)...
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Old 03-16-2015, 22:22   #2
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Blue Dot

I use a lot of Blue Dot with 180gr bullets and it also works well with 200 gr bullets. I used to load a lot of 44 and 357 magnum with 2400 but haven't tried it in 10mm but with heavy bullets it should work fine. Check the Alliant powder sticky for more info.
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Old 03-17-2015, 08:36   #3
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2400 can be used in the 10 but the book data is very limited and not being pushed very hard. Probably because only so much can fit inside the case with a given bullet weight. At 11.2 grains I think it has more room for a little more if you consider the pressure value. McNett pushed out to 13.5 but it was so compressed with the 200XTP it closed the HP inward.
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Old 03-17-2015, 13:41   #4
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I' m going to try some of the 2400 11. 2 recipes but I'm going to the gun show this weekend that's why I'm figuring on buying my next powder either blue dot, Long shot or 800 X so hopefully I find a really good stable load with one of those powers for a 200 grain bullet..figured bout 1200fps for a range load and cranking it up a little for woods load...and seems like the glock 40 isn't gonna happen soon enough for me so the 20 is my next. Gonna have to read up on barrels around the 6 inch varieties. ...this website is great...thanks guys
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Old 03-17-2015, 15:18   #5
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Long Shot is about the best compromise for Pressure vs. Velocity I run 9.2 grains to 9.4 grains under the 200 Grain XTP or Nosler and even some 200 gr GoLd Dots from pulled contract ammo (none to be had any more).
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Old 03-17-2015, 17:26   #6
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Shadow, u know what velocity that is runnin?
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Old 03-17-2015, 18:48   #7
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LongShot 9.2 @ 1220 and 9.4 @ 1240 with the 200's
Your Recoil system needs to be up to the task to control slide speeds.
I run Wolff 22lb in the S&W 1006, velocity taken with the S&W1006 5".

Wolff 22lb non captive in the Glock 20SF and the Wolff non captive 21lb set in the G-29
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Old 03-17-2015, 18:50   #8
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OrneryOne, if you want to learn even more about the 10mm firearms and ammo drop in to the 10mm Firearms forum;
http://10mm-firearms.com/index.php
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Old 03-17-2015, 19:56   #9
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Forget the 800x, unless you want to trickle every load... it is a great powder and very accurate but it will not meter well. Long Shot works great for me.
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Forget the 800x, unless you want to trickle every load... it is a great powder and very accurate but it will not meter well. Long Shot works great for me.

I agree. LS is so similar to 800-X in efficiency and performance, but it meters fairly well. I would prefer several powders over 800-X.

My favorite powder for 200 grain bullets is Accurate no.9. Then Blue Dot and long shot.
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Old 03-18-2015, 08:32   #11
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Been to the 10mm website. .reading as much as I can...I am gonna grab a couple pounds of longshot this weekend. ..ordering wolff springs today....thanks gang
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Been to the 10mm website. .reading as much as I can...I am gonna grab a couple pounds of longshot this weekend. ..ordering wolff springs today....thanks gang
Lots to read there......i'm still reading....



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Been to the 10mm website. .reading as much as I can...I am gonna grab a couple pounds of longshot this weekend. ..ordering wolff springs today....thanks gang
Unless you're having problems, hold off on spending cash on RSAs. I have better overall performance with my stock RSA than I did with my 22# Wolff setup. Reliability, felt recoil, etc.
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Unless you're having problems, hold off on spending cash on RSAs. I have better overall performance with my stock RSA than I did with my 22# Wolff setup. Reliability, felt recoil, etc.
I would echo this too! Don't fix something that isn't broken, yet.



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I agree. LS is so similar to 800-X in efficiency and performance, but it meters fairly well. I would prefer several powders over 800-X.

My favorite powder for 200 grain bullets is Accurate no.9. Then Blue Dot and long shot.
I am in the same boat. I just don't get the accuracy with hand weighed 800X charges that I do with thrown AA#9, BD or LS. When the last of my 800x is gone, I doubt I buy more.
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I would echo this too! Don't fix something that isn't broken, yet.



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Makes sense....long as it doesn't feel like the heavy rounds are beating up the gun, I won't change it..
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Makes sense....long as it doesn't feel like the heavy rounds are beating up the gun, I won't change it..
Feeling like it is beating up and actually beating up the gun is two different things. You will see pretty quickly if the frame is being battered. When shooting the hotter loads, it will have a felt recoil, if not used to it, one may think the gun is taking a beating when it really isn't.

You''ll enjoy it! Just occasionally take a look at the frame/rails etc and you'll be fine.




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I agree on stock RSA. On my Gen4 it worked much better than my 22lb aftermarket spring. But...I recently purchased a DPM system RSA, and I have to say it is amazing. This setup works incredibly well from milder 180 grain fmj/xtp's hand loads with 9.0 to 9.2 grains LS to the hotter Underwood 220gr hard cast. The progressive spring rate not only tamed recoil, but noticeably more so with the hot Underwood loads. Not much perceived difference between the two with it. The stock RSA handled the Underwood loads, but my G20 was borderline controllable with my smaller hands. If I were to guestimate, the DPM RSA tamed recoil of the hot UW ammo by 40%. I'm extremely happy with the functioning and controllability with this setup, and now feel more confident to carry the Underwood as a backwoods load.

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I agree on stock RSA. On my Gen4 it worked much better than my 22lb aftermarket spring. But...I recently purchased a DPM system RSA, and I have to say it is amazing. This setup works incredibly well from milder 180 grain fmj/xtp's hand loads with 9.0 to 9.2 grains LS to the hotter Underwood 220gr hard cast. The progressive spring rate not only tamed recoil, but noticeably more so with the hot Underwood loads. Not much perceived difference between the two with it. The stock RSA handled the Underwood loads, but my G20 was borderline controllable with my smaller hands. If I were to guestimate, the DPM RSA tamed recoil of the hot UW ammo by 40%. I'm extremely happy with the functioning and controllability with this setup, and now feel more confident to carry the Underwood as a backwoods load.
Is the RSA for a G4 or is it the G3, which I think was a multi-spring set up too....similar to the G4?


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