GlockTalk.com
Home Forums Classifieds Blogs Today's Posts Search Social Groups



  
SIGN-UP
Notices

Glock Talk
Welcome To The Glock Talk Forums.
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-19-2004, 18:50   #26
G-20er
MIL-DOT MASTER
 
G-20er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: California
Posts: 117
Yes VV is the best so far for over the counter purchases. This will be my keeper load with the 200gr. XTP bullets. Load density was like 99% and this powder meters perfectly. What a great combo for the 10mm.
G-20er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-15-2004, 17:20   #27
Mairsil
Amsterdam 10
 
Mairsil's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Posts: 147


I had the chance to shoot some of my reloads of a Chrono tonight, and I thought I might as well share the results with you. I've only loaded a couple of hundred rounds so far, so it may be that my powder charges aren't that precise, though I've tried to keep them constant.

All of these are average for 4-5 shots (few errors from the Chrony):

190gn Privi FMJ
COL 1.255"
Glock 20 stock barrel
VithaVuori N105
Winchester Large Pistol primers
New Starline brass

VVN105 - Avg FPS - StdDev

11.0gn -- 1180 ----- 9
11.3gn -- 1198 ---- 18
11.6gn -- 1210 ----- 7
11.9gn -- 1210 ----- 7
12.5gn -- 1275 ---- 18

My 'easy load' that I plan to use for standard class IPSC nicely met it's expectations:

8.5gn ---- 914 ---- 39

Which is PF 174, though the deviation is a bit high.

I couldn't quite match the 240gn @ 1285fps my girlfriend is shooting though... ^8
Mairsil is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-24-2004, 13:27   #28
paalpede
Junior Member
 
paalpede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Båtsfjord Norway
Posts: 12
I tried some loads with n-110. It's abit to slow. But if someone have good ideas how to compress the load(not only bullet)it could be usefull.
paalpede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2004, 20:27   #29
kestrou
Pin Member #4
 
kestrou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: In The Pocket
Posts: 4,604
Send a message via Yahoo to kestrou


OK Gang, I've got the complete spectrum of Vihta Vouri N340 worked out for 10mm 155Gr FMJ - complete with graph!

The following data was all chronyed in a single range session at 75 degres through a stock Glock 20 (4.6" barrel) with a Pact Mark IV. Bullets are all 155gr West Coast Truncated Cone, with COL of 1.260", primers are CCI. The data is based on 6-shot samples (throwing no data out as fliers).

Grains FPS FPE PowerFactor
5.4 867.33 258.98 134.44
5.6 868.67 259.77 134.64
5.8 904.33 281.54 140.17
6.0 928.67 296.90 143.94
6.2 967.50 322.25 149.96
6.4 1033.33 367.59 160.17
6.6 1030.00 365.23 159.65
6.8 1054.50 382.81 163.45
7.0 1079.67 401.30 167.35
7.2 1123.33 434.42 174.12
7.4 1162.83 465.50 180.24
7.6 1171.83 472.74 181.63
7.8 1208.83 503.06 187.37
8.0 1218.00 510.72 188.79
8.2 1233.17 523.52 191.14
8.4 1246.33 534.76 193.18
8.6 1263.33 549.44 195.82
8.8 1297.50 579.57 201.11
9.0 1302.33 583.89 201.86
9.2 1333.50 612.17 206.69

Here's a graph on the Grains vs. FPS, FPE, & PF:

10mm Reloading Forum
For some stinking reason the image won't embed - have to just link to it - sorry!

At the low end, the slide on my G-20 still cycled reliably, but it's had over 20K rounds through it and the recoil spring is definitely ready for replacement. On the high end, I could definitely start to see the imprint of the firing pin channel in the primer, but they weren't noticeably flattening out yet and there was no sign of "smilies".

Having said that: As always, the following Disclaimer applies to this reloading data (and any other you may find published here on GT, or anywhere!): "This worked in one person's gun, and might not work in yours. Start low and work up at your own risk!"

kestrou
__________________
Niner #2112 / Wheelhouse #2112 / Rimfire #2112 / 10-Ring #2113 / Sub-Club #2111 / Bull Dawg #2112 / 10mm Reloader #2113 / 1911 #2112
10mm: Because you never get a second chance to make a first impression!
ShootCraps on 24 Dec 2006: Ok Paul Revere, so what are you going to do about it, other than pontificate on an Internet Web Site? :rolleyes:
kestrou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2004, 22:08   #30
BuffaloBo
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 851
Is that the highest you can achieve(1333 fps) using a 155 grainer? I'd assume you'd be able to push 'em to at least 1450 or even higher with your selected powder.

When I played with 155 gr Hornady's using a few powders, I even considered the 1400 fps mark unimpressive.
__________________
"You don't need to be poor to qualify as white trash."
BuffaloBo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-25-2004, 23:19   #31
kestrou
Pin Member #4
 
kestrou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: In The Pocket
Posts: 4,604
Send a message via Yahoo to kestrou


B-Bo,

That's the highest I'd loaded up that day! I figured I'd have smilies at about 8.5gr and would never even shoot the 9.2gr, but that didn't happen.

I need to go back and load up rounds from 9.2 to about 12.0 - and guessing the dreaded smilies will stop me somewhere around 10gr. ;f

I'm hoping Santy Claus brings me an electronic powder dispenser so I can work up a similar "complete spectrum" for 180 gr bullets with N340, and both bullet weights for N350 and N105. Tedious work measuring each load by hand...

kestrou
__________________
Niner #2112 / Wheelhouse #2112 / Rimfire #2112 / 10-Ring #2113 / Sub-Club #2111 / Bull Dawg #2112 / 10mm Reloader #2113 / 1911 #2112
10mm: Because you never get a second chance to make a first impression!
ShootCraps on 24 Dec 2006: Ok Paul Revere, so what are you going to do about it, other than pontificate on an Internet Web Site? :rolleyes:
kestrou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-20-2004, 14:05   #32
Lithium
Senior Member
 
Lithium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 1950
Posts: 405
Anybody have data for 165, 180 and 200 gr w/ 340?

My batch of starline brass just came in and it's time to load up for my G20.

Thanks!
Lithium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2004, 12:22   #33
kestrou
Pin Member #4
 
kestrou's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: In The Pocket
Posts: 4,604
Send a message via Yahoo to kestrou


Lithium,

I've got a pile of 180gr sitting on my bench and the powder trickler is currently in the hands of UPS on it's way - so hang on, buddy - got your 6! ;f

kestrou
__________________
Niner #2112 / Wheelhouse #2112 / Rimfire #2112 / 10-Ring #2113 / Sub-Club #2111 / Bull Dawg #2112 / 10mm Reloader #2113 / 1911 #2112
10mm: Because you never get a second chance to make a first impression!
ShootCraps on 24 Dec 2006: Ok Paul Revere, so what are you going to do about it, other than pontificate on an Internet Web Site? :rolleyes:
kestrou is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-22-2004, 17:57   #34
Lithium
Senior Member
 
Lithium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 1950
Posts: 405
Thanks, will look for your post.

I'll start with some of the VV loads and see where I go from there on my end.
Lithium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-01-2004, 23:04   #35
Lithium
Senior Member
 
Lithium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 1950
Posts: 405
Clocked my loads today, out of a stock G20 barrel:

6.9gr N340, Montana Gold 165 JHP 10 shot string: 1038fps, ES = 30, SD = 8.

7.5gr N340, Montana Gold 180 FMJ 10 shot string: 1127fps, ES = 41, SD = 11.

More do testing next week.
Lithium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-09-2005, 13:12   #36
paalpede
Junior Member
 
paalpede's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Båtsfjord Norway
Posts: 12
Has Mcnett ever used or published data with n-105?
paalpede is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-05-2005, 13:58   #37
Kaceyx73
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Upstate, SC
Posts: 257
Send a message via Yahoo to Kaceyx73
Im looking for 2 basic loads for my G20. First, for 165 Gold Dots and 165 FMJ. Secondly, a hunting load for 200 XTP's. I like what Im hearing about VV powders, so any suggestions? For reference, my G20 is completely stock. I do want a full power load, but without trying to over pressure.
Kaceyx73 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-25-2006, 11:14   #38
Tuf Toy
Junior Member
 
Tuf Toy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: New England
Posts: 6
VV N350

I'm looking to make up a load for my Delta using VV N350 , CCI primers and 165gr Gold Dots (how is the Starline brass?) Have to admit I'm a little peeved at Lapua and Vihtavuori . No mater what powder question you have they will not give you a solid answer. I know they don't want the liability , but how hard would it be for them to actual test their powders with different weight bullets. If they did they'd sell more powder! (Sorry rant over) It should be obvious by now that VV does not list a 165 gold dot (or any other 165gr bullet) for a 10mm Auto load. If any one has worked up any #'s using N350 I'd appreciate what they found.
PS . Is there a good inexpensive Chronograph available, (than I can publish what I find also.)
Thanks in advance
__________________
Chris "V"
Tuf Toy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-11-2007, 04:41   #39
Lithium
Senior Member
 
Lithium's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: 1950
Posts: 405
Not much activity in here. Got a chance to shoot some of my latest 10mm loads out of a stock G20 today and thought I'd post something:

VV N340, loaded to 1.260 OAL, Bullets are all Montana Gold. Brass is new Starline brass. Lit with Winchester Large/Magnum Primers. Temp was around 82 deg.

10 rounds each.

9.0grs under 155 JHP -> 1317 fps, SD 10fps
8.6grs under 165 JHP -> 1239 fps, SD 8 fps
7.8grs under 180 FMJ -> 1139 fps, SD 4 fps
7.0grs under 200 TMJ -> 1039 fps, SD 4 fps

These loads range from 41,400 psi to just under 44,000 psi according to Quickloads's calculations with corrected case capacity using (H20). My goal was to stay under the original 10mm 44,000 psi spec pressure.

I didn't see any signs of overpressure but will clean up the brass and re-inspect. I'm sure there's room to go up but it'd probably be easier to start with a more appropriate powder.

Accuracy was good. Shot at 25 yards off a bench and the smallest 10 shot group was only about 3.5" with the largest group being approx 6.5".

For reference I also shot two factory loads I found at Cabelas:

Buffalo Bore 180gr Gold Dots -> 1284fps w/ SD of 18.
Hornady 200gr XTP -> 1030fps w/ SD of 38.

Have fun and please work your loads up carefully.

Last edited by Lithium; 07-11-2007 at 05:02..
Lithium is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-22-2007, 17:16   #40
barretm4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 200
Chrono'd with my new CED m2

VihtaVuori N105
stock glock 29
cci 350's
180 grain XTP's

10 grains
1047
1082
1068
1057
1054
1058
1055
1056
1053
Average was 1058
SD 9
ES 35

only got 9 shots in.

look forward to working with n105, gonna wait till i get some standard primers tho......

Well I decided to give her a go again....
everything same as above except

10.5 grains
1102
1118
1106
1105
1115
1093
1105
1096
1110
1108
Average was 1106
SD 7
ES 25
__________________
G19 w/MTAC

Last edited by barretm4; 07-24-2007 at 18:21..
barretm4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-29-2007, 18:18   #41
barretm4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: NY
Posts: 200
same as above
11.5 grains N105
1136
1163
1127
1161
1140
1141
1144
1139
1136
1156

average 1144
SD 11
ES 36
__________________
G19 w/MTAC
barretm4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-14-2007, 17:56   #42
alank2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,898
Hi,

I'm thinking about loading some 180gr HP's with some n105. My velocity goal from a stock G20 is around 1200 fps.

I saw a bunch of n105 data earlier in this thread, how many of these loads are compressed? At 1.260" QuickLoad seems to think you can only get 9.6 grains in a case without compressing. I noticed some of the loads posted above are in the 12+ grains category...

I'm trying to decide between n105 and 3n37 for a starting powder.

Thanks,

Alan
alank2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-26-2007, 22:17   #43
f4tweet
Senior Member
 
f4tweet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 392
Vihta Vuori Powder Data

I tried to use 105 for my 10mm and didn't care for it. I think the VV site specs are WAY off their published velocity. I don't have a chrono but the only difference I could feel was slide velocity and dings in the cases and flattened primers. I just used my 105 in my .41 Mag yesterday with a Hornaday 180GR XTP with 14.6 gr. I think it was about 1400 fps. The Lee manual listed a max of 15.1c is 1480fps. I thought 14.6 was plenty.
__________________
We're surrounded, that simplifies our problem.-Chesty Puller
f4tweet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 11:31   #44
whenmonkeysfly
CLM Number 249
Charter Lifetime Member
 
whenmonkeysfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 360


N350

Quote:
Originally Posted by TeamTupperware View Post
I was going to ask a couple of questions, but you've answered most of them. A stock G20...yup, I think you're just about perfect using N340. I've played with N105 a little, and have yet to try it in either of the bottleneck cases. If you have room in your case with N340 and would like a little softer feeling recoil, you might try a pound of N350 (quite possibly the world's most FORGIVING powder)and go nuts. The beauty of N350 is that it will only burn what it can in the barrel, the rest is in the form of a flame ball coming out the front of the gun.<P>
Make sure you're increasing your spring rate in the G20...recoil is about to get ugly.<P>
If you're going for speed, I've always had good luck with AA#7. Once you get the pressures up, it burns clean. <P>
Double check me sometime, but I think that if you fill both a 9x25 and a 357sig to the top, the sig will hold .3gr more than the 9X25. I think it's due to the internal web thickness.<P>
Lemme know how this all works out for you.
Brant P. Foster
A37364
I've got a few pounds of N350, CCI 300 (large pistol) primers, Starline 10mm brass and 180 grain Oregon Trail Laser Cast bullets. Any recommendations on powder charges? I'd like to work up to full 10mm loads. Thanks in advance!
__________________
Navy Corpsman, 1971-1975; NRA Patron Life Member; The 10mm "...more energy at 100 yards than a .45 ACP at the muzzle." - Massad Ayoob quoting Col. Jeff Cooper
whenmonkeysfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 12:02   #45
f4tweet
Senior Member
 
f4tweet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 392
10 mm

Hi Doc, I used Oregon Trail bullets and they smoke a lot when fired. The barrel was also dirty. I use Rainier 180 gr. FP, not RNFP. 11.0 gr of AA-7, 1.250 OAL, WLP. and a crimp of .421. This is a published load for 1200 fps. Semper Fi Doc!
__________________
We're surrounded, that simplifies our problem.-Chesty Puller
f4tweet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 12:56   #46
whenmonkeysfly
CLM Number 249
Charter Lifetime Member
 
whenmonkeysfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 360


Semper Fi!

Quote:
Originally Posted by f4tweet View Post
Hi Doc, I used Oregon Trail bullets and they smoke a lot when fired. The barrel was also dirty. I use Rainier 180 gr. FP, not RNFP. 11.0 gr of AA-7, 1.250 OAL, WLP. and a crimp of .421. This is a published load for 1200 fps. Semper Fi Doc!
Stationed at Quantico in '72... took care of many U.S. Marines coming back from 'nam - trauma/surgery. You guys are great!

I've got some Speer 180 gr. TMJ (value pkg) bullets too. In "The Complete Reloading Manual for the 10mm and .40S&W", powder burning rate chart, in order of burn rates, N350 is #32 and AA#7 is #34 (suggesting N350 is a little faster). Could I substitute AA#7 for N350? (I'm shooting a G20 with a Lone Wolf fully supported barrel.) I got the N350 for .40S&W reloads, but like shooting the 10mm more. Appreciate any advice/input. Semper Fi!
__________________
Navy Corpsman, 1971-1975; NRA Patron Life Member; The 10mm "...more energy at 100 yards than a .45 ACP at the muzzle." - Massad Ayoob quoting Col. Jeff Cooper
whenmonkeysfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-23-2009, 13:04   #47
f4tweet
Senior Member
 
f4tweet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Southern California
Posts: 392
Vihta Vuori Powder Data

Hi Doc. I don't see why not. I would use 1.260 OAL, and start your loads at 9.6. I would check Lee's Second Edition to see if they list a comparable bullet combo with a jacketed bullet. You will use more powder with jacketed. If you have feeding problems, shorten to 1.250. Corpsman took good care of me at Chu Lai, Great Lakes, and the Naval Hospital at Beaufort. My son was born at Beaufort Naval Hospital.
__________________
We're surrounded, that simplifies our problem.-Chesty Puller
f4tweet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2009, 06:33   #48
whenmonkeysfly
CLM Number 249
Charter Lifetime Member
 
whenmonkeysfly's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Florida
Posts: 360


The 2009 VihtaVuori Powder Manual:

"N350 - This is the slowest burning N300 series handgun powder,
which can usually be used instead of Accurate No.7, IMR Hi-
Skor 800-X and Alliant Blue Dot. Appropriate choice for many
powerful handgun loads, for example in calibers 9 mm Luger,
10 mm AUTO and .45 ACP."

http://www.lapua.com/fileadmin/user_...oguide2009.pdf
__________________
Navy Corpsman, 1971-1975; NRA Patron Life Member; The 10mm "...more energy at 100 yards than a .45 ACP at the muzzle." - Massad Ayoob quoting Col. Jeff Cooper
whenmonkeysfly is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-12-2009, 21:32   #49
old wanderer
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 234
In case anyone ever shows up on this forum again...

I have several Glock 20 barrel configurations....most are ported.

In reading seems like the porting likes the lighter faster bullets rather than the heavy slower ones...

So I was looking for data on the 135 gr bullet.

My barrels are:

G20 with 5.2" with 2 external ports and 2 internal "c" ports.

G20 With a Tactical slide and 4 internal ports.

G29 with 2 external ports...

I have several classes comming up where follow up shots are really important. Did well last time with the stock Glock 20c, butl not starting to build something faster/better.
old wanderer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-09-2009, 17:53   #50
7.62FMJ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Ohio
Posts: 475
What about N340 pushing a 200gr? Anyone try this?
__________________
Lost Victim of Glock Talk Forums Absolutely Rediculous Sitemap.
7.62FMJ is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump




All times are GMT -6. The time now is 02:22.



Homepage
FAQ
Forums
Calendar
Advertise
Gallery
GT Wiki
GT Blogs
Social Groups
Classifieds


Users Currently Online: 736
188 Members
548 Guests

Most users ever online: 2,244
Nov 11, 2013 at 11:42