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Old 06-28-2004, 21:06   #1
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any news sa ptc????

just want to know if any of the guys here has had a chance to apply for a ptc esp kakatapos lang gun ban last june10. how much na ba?
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Old 06-30-2004, 07:07   #2
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:28   #3
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I've been seriously considering getting PTC's for my Dad and Uncle, but everything seems unsure at the moment (ongoing pa yung Jaworski-Yap issue). Since the heat of the elections are over, our dear madam GMA might suddenly decide to suspend anew all PTC's (like what happened last year), rendering the hard-earned P10T-P12T you forked out wasted. Might be better to get lang muna short-term PTT's and see how it goes. Just my .02 cents.
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Old 06-30-2004, 08:34   #4
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I've been seriously considering getting PTC's for my Dad and Uncle, but everything seems unsure at the moment (ongoing pa yung Jaworski-Yap issue). Since the heat of the elections are over, our dear madam GMA might suddenly decide to suspend anew all PTC's (like what happened last year), rendering the hard-earned P10T-P12T you forked out wasted. Might be better to get lang muna short-term PTT's and see how it goes. Just my .02 cents.
good point and lets keep our fingers crossed that other ryan jaworksis never get to hold a firearm again.

mag-airsoft na lang sila....o di kaya sumpit ;f
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Old 07-02-2004, 23:32   #5
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Medyo off topic pero tumatama pa rin. I'm reading this book, "Guns, Crimes and Freedom". The book has a lot of arguments why civilians should be allowed to carry their firearms and I'd love to see our Congressmen read it and see that PTCs will be for the benefit of society. In fact, according to the book, concealed carry permits or PTCs (for us Filipinos) is a better crime deterrent as compared to gun bans or any other existing (American) laws.

Bought the book at Books for Less Greenbelt if anyone is interested.
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Old 07-04-2004, 19:21   #6
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My father often told me, "mahirap paliwanagan ang ayaw makinig." I don't know with the authorities.
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Old 07-04-2004, 21:28   #7
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Angelo Reyes is the new DILG secretary, anybody knows if he is gun friendly?
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Old 07-04-2004, 22:26   #8
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I saw him once in an episode of shootfest before participating in a level 2 match encouraging gun enthusiasts to be responsible gun owners.;f
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Old 07-04-2004, 23:03   #9
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Lets all hope and pray that he is much more open minded than the former DILG secretary.
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Old 07-07-2004, 04:59   #10
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I was at North Star this afternoon and this person from Crame approached me.He asked me if I wanted to apply for a PTC.I asked him on how much shall it cost to get one.He told me that it would cost 11,000.00 Pesos with Non-Appearance.I told him that I'll think it over.Malamang,I won't get it.

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Old 07-07-2004, 06:07   #11
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I think 11K is about average, with some others charging 20K and up for
"non appearance". IIRC, the actual receipted fees run to only 4,150.00
Plug in maybe 3,500 for the paperwork pre-requisites, and then another 2,000 for certain persons at FED, and the balance (in the case of an 11K charge) goes to the outfit/gunshop offering to take care of things.
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Old 07-07-2004, 06:39   #12
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I believe paying 11k for a PTC and receiving a receipt of only 4k is akin to digging our own grave. These ogres won't stop jacking up the price if majority of us sanctions this exorbitant, and clear-as-crystal corruption-motivated increases.

I'm way past being naive when dealing with the Philippine government. I personally witnessed local government officials pocketing at least fifty percent of the medicine funds allocated to their municipality. I bribe MMDA traffic enforcers so as not to inconvenience me. But sometimes one has to stop and evaluate the present level of slime we're all in and find out how much more we can bear the stink until we throw up. Like everything else around us, it has its limitations. And the breaking point keeps going higher and higher as long as the majority sanctions the system.

This PTC issue is shameful for us Filipino shooters. I feel losing much more than 11k. I feel I'm losing grip on my pride as a Filipino.

Just a thought, gents.
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Old 07-07-2004, 07:21   #13
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Alexii,
I agree in principle,
and in a perfect world, principles count for something.
But I don't know of a country that is free of corruption,
and in this case (PTCFOR's), the peso value of said 'corruption'
may be mis-perceived, to excess:

The whole premise to the offer is 'non-appearance',
so if grease causes unease, then apply via the normal way.
You will pay 4,150 for fees and processing at FED, but you will
wind up paying another 1,000 to 1,500 elsewhere to legally obtain
other paper pre-requisites, plus travel, etc.

Now, let's say you decide to hire a 'runner' to legitimately
wait on PNP-FED to process your application. How much would you pay
a person daily to do this, for a process that might take several
weeks?

In any case, the price tag isn't the issue, if we
couch this PTCFOR transaction in moral terms:

You say you've been willing to pay a traffic enforcer to ignore
your road violations. I've never done that, but I likely will one day.
A law-breaking driver can be as deadly as an unqualifed CCW-er.
Whether one pays PNP-FED or the MMDA to ignore a lack of ability,
or lack of qualification....
the law is violated and the public is placed at increased risk.
It's bad juju, long-term... but the short term alternative may
simply be untenable.

Where does the line lie, between suffering corruption and abetting it?
I don't know where the line lies, save on a day-to-day basis.
Persons of greater affluence and comfort have the luxury of indulging
more principles than I can.

Some have no deadlines to meet, and so can afford the delays involved
when an MMDA traffic cop pulls them over for a violation. Others have
much more to lose from delay than the cost of a bribe, and so pay up.

Perhaps there are those who actually need a PTCFOR.
There are also those who merely want one.
To the latter, sticking to principles with regard to bribery
might be an easier choice to make.




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Old 07-07-2004, 08:47   #14
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try nga natin kumuha ng volume discount, BOG style

btw, how long would the ptc's validity be?

another thing, govt. is thinking of holding a constituent assembly next year (is this the same as a plebiscite?). if that's the case, won't there be another gun ban?
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Old 07-07-2004, 09:26   #15
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by 9MX
[B]try nga natin kumuha ng volume discount, BOG style

btw, how long would the ptc's validity be?

The guy from Crame who approached me at North Star in regards to the PTC,told me that it is good only for 1 year.

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Old 07-07-2004, 10:10   #16
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btw, how long would the ptc's validity be?

another thing, govt. is thinking of holding a constituent assembly next year (is this the same as a plebiscite?). if that's the case, won't there be another gun ban?
Yup, PTC's need to be renewed after one year.
They will be holding a plebiscite once they finish amending the constitution. Isn't the Barangay elections also slated for next year? If this is so, there will definitely be a gun ban :(
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Old 07-07-2004, 10:46   #17
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i personally think that for 11,000pesos for a ptc is reasonable. just image that comes out to be less than 1,000 a month for the privilege to carry a fire arm for protection. i wish i knew who the right people to contact so can get my ptc because yung tagalakad ko is asking 14k from me, i'm just waiting til end og august for gma to gety settled sa pwesto before i have my ptc done. sana makahanap me masmura pa....
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Old 07-08-2004, 08:37   #18
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Alexii,
I agree in principle,
and in a perfect world, principles count for something.
But I don't know of a country that is free of corruption,
and in this case (PTCFOR's), the peso value of said 'corruption'
may be mis-perceived, to excess:

The whole premise to the offer is 'non-appearance',
so if grease causes unease, then apply via the normal way.
You will pay 4,150 for fees and processing at FED, but you will
wind up paying another 1,000 to 1,500 elsewhere to legally obtain
other paper pre-requisites, plus travel, etc.
I agree that principles count for something in the perfect world; however, its value and the need for it increases tenfold in an imperfect one.

The whole premise of the PTCFOR is to grant carrying permits to qualified and supposedly level-headed individuals. This non-appearance option is a highway pass for affluent drug junkies who have no business within ten feet of a firearm. The inviolate raison d'etre of the whole program is violated by this option alone. And yes, I have a problem with that.
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Perhaps there are those who actually need a PTCFOR.
There are also those who merely want one.
To the latter, sticking to principles with regard to bribery
might be an easier choice to make.
Those who want one actually perceive they need one.
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Old 07-08-2004, 18:12   #20
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At the gunshow, the line between want and need seemed to magically disappear fo me too, albeit with regard to firearm purchases


As for PTCFOR's, we'll simply have to agree to agree.
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At the gunshow, the line between want and need seemed to magically disappear fo me too, albeit with regard to firearm purchases
Hell yes, no argument there. Stopped attempting drawing the line years ago. I'll go nuts if I do.;f
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Old 07-08-2004, 19:19   #22
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On the Inquirer this morning is an article regarding loose firearms.

http://www.inq7.net/nat/2004/jul/09/nat_4-1.htm

Excerpt from which is as follows:

In the case of guns with expired licenses, Caringal admitted that it was result of a "bureaucratic" problem in which the PNP failed to release license IDs on time.

"We're doing our best to correct this now," he said. "So far, we're meeting our targets because someone renewing his license can complete the procedure and get his new license in 30 minutes."

How true?

Another one:

"Director Avelino Razon, PNP director for operations, told gun industry leaders and members during their five-day firearms show yesterday that there appeared to be a problem in the computer system of the FED.

By registering a gun under a second or different name, a person could get away with owning three or more guns, he explained."

Yah, right...blame it on the computer system...
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talked to carlos tuason yesterday around 10-12t ptc. :(

he offered to sign me up as a member of his club 1000 lang;P sobrang mura, but im too cheap so i did not get it.;f
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"Director Avelino Razon, PNP director for operations, told gun industry leaders and members during their five-day firearms show yesterday that there appeared to be a problem in the computer system of the FED. By registering a gun under a second or different name, a person could get away with owning three or more guns, he explained."
^2 ^2 ^2

'Nampucha naman o...

There is NO legal restriction on the number of firearms a private citizen may own, right?
None, nada, wala.
Ergo, I don't have to 'get away with owning three or more guns'.

Correct me if I'm wrong...
But it seems to me PNP-FED and its implementing guidelines are falling way behind changes in the law. Even this utter crap about gunclub membership being a 'requisite' for owning pistols over .45 caliber and/or high-powered rifles.... it's simply at odds with the law.

Nevertheless, even by their own backward guidelines and interpretations, there is no 'getting away with owning three or more guns'. There is merely the getting and owning, legitimately, of three, ten or fifty if you see fit to and have the paper/plastic and patience to acquire them, so I don't quite get the quote above.

That said, kudos to the PNP-FED if it can speed up the processing of legit firearms registrations. Double kudos if they can stamp out the non-appearance, under the table BS that taints the whole process and opens up Philippine KBA to the worst anti-gun accusations imaginable.

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^2 ^2 ^2


That said, kudos to the PNP-FED if it can speed up the processing of legit firearms registrations. Double kudos if they can stamp out the non-appearance, under the table BS that taints the whole process and opens up Philippine KBA to the worst anti-gun accusations imaginable.

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eezzzy, i'm sure the pnp is aware of the erap law. pero siyempre nagpapapogi kahit hindi. it has always been like that at hindi na magbabago ang ating mga pulis
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