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Old 06-25-2004, 03:11   #1
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P40,000 for 33 parts?

As we all know, the Glock 17 has 33 parts (although some are small parts-assemblies, but let's not quibble.)

Does anybody know if there is any semiauto that has fewer parts (let's limit this to reasonably reputable production guns, not the WWII Liberator .45 single-shot or zip guns or that sort of thing)?

It sure looks pretty empty inside a Glock 17. Can there be an "emptier" gun? The Beretta 92fs has, as far as I know, 74 parts - more than twice as many as a Glock 17. How low can the number of parts go?
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Old 06-25-2004, 04:36   #2
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1911A1:

Front to back:

Bushing
slide
bbl
recoil spring
rs plug
extractor
firing pin
fp spring
fp stop
hammer
thumb safety
sear
disconnector
sear pin
hammer strut
grip safety
sear spring
MSH pin
MSH plunger
MSH retaining pin
MSH
mainspring
grip screws x 4
grips
safety plunger
safety plunger spring
slide stop
trigger

I counted 31.... Did I miss anything?
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Old 06-25-2004, 05:28   #3
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Hammer pin and grips X2 for 33

plunger tube, pins and spring

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Old 06-25-2004, 20:41   #4
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i thought a 1911 has 52 or so parts??
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Old 06-25-2004, 21:07   #5
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Quote:
Originally posted by FAlvar
1911A1:I counted 31.... Did I miss anything?
The front and rear sights?
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Old 06-25-2004, 21:20   #6
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Re: P40,000 for 33 parts?

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The Beretta 92fs has, as far as I know, 74 parts - more than twice as many as a Glock 17.
Yes, the grip assembly alone has 10 parts (4x grip screws, 4x grip washers, 2x grip panels). A good tradeoff for allowing a myriad of grip changes from plastic to rubber to wood and even carbon fiber.;f

Beretta's high number of parts does not, by collective experience of the folks at Berettaforum, equal the amount of potential problems of the gun. Even the much maligned locking block lasts an average of 30,000 rounds before it needs replacement.

PS. Nice tag line, Ante.;z
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Old 06-26-2004, 00:25   #7
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more 1911 parts

ejector
ejector pins
mag catch
mag catch spring
barrel link
barrel link pin
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Old 06-26-2004, 01:34   #8
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Guess ko lang, but I think the Taurus PT145 and the Kel-tec P11 have less parts than a Glock.

Pare-pareho lang namang striker fired yang tatlo, so basic mechanical components are just about the same.

Yung HS2000 me grip safety pakasi, so siguradong mas maraming parts yun
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Old 06-26-2004, 23:51   #9
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Hence one of the reasons why we buy Glocks is that
it is reliable by design.

A system with less moving parts is inherently more
reliable.

That's an engineering principle, you know.
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Old 06-28-2004, 01:21   #10
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These are the # of parts i found in some manuals:
Taurus PT111 - 53
Taurus PT92 - 68
CZ 75 - +/-64 depending on the version
HS2K-SA-XD - 47
HK usp 9/.40 - 52
HK usp 45 - 45

And you guys are right Glock is the only pistol with few parts that works.
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Old 06-28-2004, 01:42   #11
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Sigs
239-53
229-55
226&228-55
225-54
220-55-60 (depends on American or European model)

Don't have the figure for the 232
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:21   #12
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You know-- if you guys choose a gun with the higher number of parts, the less you'll pay for unit price per part.;f
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Old 06-28-2004, 07:40   #13
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Old 08-13-2004, 07:56   #14
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Makarovs have only 27 parts
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Old 08-15-2004, 20:23   #15
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snub nosed revolvers and derringers have fewer parts
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Old 08-15-2004, 20:33   #16
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Possibly, but the question was "Does anybody know if there is any semiauto that has fewer parts"

In any case, I sold my Glock 17. Nothing wrong with it - it works as advertised - quite reliable. Just too light a gun for my arthritis. A 40 ounce S&W 686+ ( which is twice as heavy as the Glock) has been more appropriate. But, hey, for a soldier or policeman who has to carry a sidearm around all day, a Glock would be OK.
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Old 08-15-2004, 21:10   #17
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by antediluvianist
[B]Possibly, but the question was "Does anybody know if there is any semiauto that has fewer parts"


sorry did not read it properly. anyway my knife has fewer parts ;f
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