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Old 04-19-2000, 19:04   #1
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Hey, Tazz, how's the .223XR coming?

Just curious...

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Old 04-20-2000, 07:26   #2
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Still try'n to get it together Tam... I am getting my shop set up to do reloading and i am still "entertaining" (trying to figure out) the best way to set up the load...

Currently i am entertaining the idea of using a sabot so that the stock Glock barrels can be used, and tooling costs would be basically zilch... Since we are talking pistols here and relatively short ranges, i am thinking that accuracy may not suffer all that much... Also, with this set up it may be possible to get even higher velocities with even lower chamber pressures....

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Old 04-20-2000, 18:06   #3
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i thought we agreed it would be in a 45super case. and call it a {22-45} SOUNDS OLD WESTERN.
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Old 04-20-2000, 23:30   #4
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You know, we could kneck the .45 or 10mm down to .30 and then use off the shelf sabots to go .223. I know some people who use Ruger Revolvers in .30 Carbine with the sabots and .223 projectiles and it is "interesting".

BTW, there is a company that specializes in making sabots. I bet they could make 10mm-.223 sabots for us and then all we would have to do is load development, no gun/barrel mods.

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Old 04-21-2000, 04:41   #5
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Ted, if you figure out what that company is, let me know and i'll call them and find out...

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Old 04-21-2000, 05:20   #6
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I wonder how well a sabot will hold crimp and feed in a semiauto pistol. My guess would be not too well.
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Old 04-21-2000, 07:57   #7
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Well Alrighty then, here you go Tazz!
http://www.eabco.com/sabot01.html
http://jdc.family-biz.com/index.html

While these companies may not manufacture, certainly they can point their finger for you! Also the Remington techs that worked on their sabots can probably refer to others in the industry, assuming they are still with Remington!


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Old 04-21-2000, 18:46   #8
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Are you guys talking about 10mm Auto or an M68 105mm tank cannon? The 10 Ring

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Old 04-22-2000, 10:04   #9
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Thanks Poochg!



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Old 04-22-2000, 14:15   #10
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Hi Tazz

If there's anything I can do to help, I'd be glad to. I only live about 30 miles north of you, and I have a pretty good setup here for chronographing loads, measuring pressure rings, etc.

Miss Kay and I are taking off in the RV for about 3 weeks, going down to Navajo country. We'll be back about mid-May.

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Old 04-22-2000, 22:27   #11
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Cool TenMan, Thanks!

Have fun on your trip!

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Old 04-24-2000, 19:53   #12
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keep up the good work and maybe soon our collective dreams will be realized. Sign me up for testing when your ready to begin the frankenstein experimentation. Should be interesting.
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Old 05-03-2000, 18:50   #13
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hey tazz, you have to provide regular updates or we will think you are not working on it.
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Old 05-06-2000, 14:38   #14
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We hashed this exact subject out quite a while ago on one of the Glock E-mail lists when the .224 Boz first came out. I think making anything close to the .224 boz will result in a law suit and no one will touch it including reamer makers, barrel makers, smiths etc.

I think the Sabot is the only way to go to test this theroy out. It is possible to make sabots out of solid plastic. A lathe is definaltly needed and possibly a mill. I have seen it done and it wouldn't be that hard with the right stuff. If anyone wants to discuss this project, mail me at wegner@theriver.com

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Old 05-06-2000, 17:42   #15
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Ahem, ok, I'm willing to give em a try!

NJW in AZ, you never asked me: (what kind of hash were you guys using?)


There are three choices as I see it; (with regards to using Sabots)

1. 10mm to 224 Sabots that fits right in the 10mm case and we just shove a 224 point in, change some springs lock and load. (Tazz is has these in the development phase by now, I'm sure, Tazz is a consument reloader and wildacatter he has been all over this project from the get go....)

2. We can use the 9X25 brass, A; neck it down to 30 caliber and use the 30/224 sabots already available or B; neck it all the way down to 224! (my personal favorite)

3. We can use 7.62 by 25 or 30 mauser brass and use the sabots (30cal to 223) or neck them down to 224. I think these will cycle from the breach side, but not as perfect as #2 above. (brass has less capacity) No problem here to get a company to make us a barrel or reamer and dies.

The only one that doesn’t require reamers for barrels and new dies and the like is #1. Although I believe we could get barrels, we just change the neck angle, this is an American thing... Were not going to have some English company dictate what kind of wildcat cartridges we can develop. There are plenty of American gun smiths and machinists that are not going to stand for that!

The best accuracy will come from #2 plan B where we neck it down to 224. 9 X 25 Dillion Brass is made by Starline and it is as strong as 10mm. Nobody is going to stop us from going to 10mm to 30 caliber, heck even the smiths that signed the non- compete/disclosure would build our barrels and reamers and dies on that one for us. (#2 plan A)

Were at a standstill right now, because Tazz is seting up his reloader and entertaining! Can I get another Margarita please..........
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Old 05-07-2000, 10:33   #16
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The right amount of reloading hash in proper proportion is required to get a round set just right...

The really cool advantage to the sabot path is that virtually any bullet could be fired out of a stock barrel. The trick is going to be finding a sabot that is optimally designed for accuracy as well as velocity. I have not found any yet. If we cant find any, then they will have to be designed and made.

If anyone finds any .40 sabots let us know. There is one company i know of that makes sabots... i still have to talk to them.

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Old 05-07-2000, 11:05   #17
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I wonder about accuracy from a 223 bullet fired from a sabot in a 10mm barrel. My concern is that the twist rate may be too slow to stabilize the bullets well.

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Old 05-11-2000, 16:43   #18
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HiCap, very good point... it seems though that the rate of twist is just about right... we will just have to test to find out...

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Old 05-13-2000, 11:02   #19
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hey tazz...

i know NOTHING about reloading, but i would love to help anyway i can. ...research, phone calls... whatever. just let me know.


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Old 05-22-2000, 15:39   #20
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Hey Tazz ...

Just wanted to bring this back to the top before it ran-out of the 10 day cycle ...

Any new news ???
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