[HiCap]

Hey, lets make this three pages long, whaddaya say?

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Big Dawg #175

[MCNETT]

COOL!

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"TO OUTLAW GUNS MEANS THAT ONLY THE OUTLAWS WILL HAVE GUNS"

[Tazz10m]

Where are we now? In the process of getting in place a new computer and better CAD/CAM software to streamline the design/mfg process.

We are in the middle of introducing a new tritium night sight that is different than anything on the market... VERY fast, VERY accurate, in any light and even at extended distances... stay tuned...

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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[Tamara]

The lights in the mad scientist workshop on Fox Island burn deep into the night, for "invention knows no timeclock".

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Tamara's House of Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10 Ring #2910, Wheelhouse #6254455, Top Guns *.357sig* club, Big Dawg #447
10mm: When you care enough to send the very best!

[Tazz10m]

Oh so it's YOU Tam who's been watching me through that telescope from across the water! How's the resolution? I'm looking for a good spotting scope. It's SO funny you should write that, because that is exactly what i was doing late into last night... designing a new night site... and was/am so amazed at how much consideration was/is going into the exact size of the white dot on the front sight, and the tritium lamp in the middle, and width of the sight, and the shape of the sight, and how the front sight fits into the rear sight, and how all that relates to seeing that front sight against any background, and how to get that elusive ever finer accuracy, faster, easier, more naturally, so that the mind subconsciously lines up the sights, so you can keep your eyes on the TARGET (read "threat") and the front sight is where you want it automatically. I know what i want to design, i even have prototypes... but the specific size relationships of everything are just mind boggling... especially when you have to put it down on paper, and everything is just so small that it is basically impossible to draw at 1:1 scale because the pen lines are so thick, (thin as they are). So, ya draw it bigger, and it looks wrong, even though it's right... AAAAAAakkkkkk..... this, is were the imagination comes in! (...and the ability to make quick easy and cheap prototypes... and loving what you're doing...) I had to force myself to put it all down and go to sleep last night.

Then there's the rear sight.........



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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[Tamara]

T***,

Isn't that why God created CAD programs?

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Tamara's House of Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10 Ring #2910, Wheelhouse #6254455, Top Guns *.357sig* club, Big Dawg #447
10mm: When you care enough to send the very best!

[TKM]

Okay, as I see it, you want a sight that naturally draws the eye to the center of the focal area. Have you spoken to the people at the mudflap factory? Two chrome-plated beautys on either side of an "ahhumm" upright center column. It will sell big in truck-stops. Just a thought. Whats the word on the Elvis toilet seat covers? Bah furshlugginer Humbug.

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Happiness is a warm 10.

[Tazz10m]

Tam, there are some things that CAD just can't do... they haven't quite got the Phazi-Psychophysiologic Seconde Guesseur Module (or 3PSGM) dialed in yet... and they don't want to pay me enought to fix it... although i thought i might have overheard something about somebody that was willing to do it for some sushi as long as it was Kosher... geeeeee, now why does THAT sound so familiar?

TKM, the trick to making these babies work is to get RID of the "distractions"...



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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[CastleBravo]

All this is nice, but will putting an Agrip on my Glock 20C make it too fat? I mean, I love the idea... but it's kind of a borderline case from the girth point of view as it is

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CastleBravo
10 Ring # 5150

[Tazz10m]

Well, Agrip mic's out at .025" thick and .010" when compressed. Is that too thick? Also, there is an unconditional money back guarantee, as in i will even refund your shipping and handling if you dont like it or whatever.

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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[This message has been edited by T***10m (edited 12-29-2000).]

[Tamara]

Whew! Just caught it before it dropped off the scope.

Can't let the 10-Ring's version of "The Eternal Flame" get extinguished!

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Tamara's House of Weapons: If we can't kill it, it's immortal.
10 Ring #2910, Wheelhouse #6254455, Top Guns *.357sig* club, Big Dawg #447
MOLON LABE!

[Erich]

Hey, this is a really interesting thread. I'm just writing because I don't want to see it die. I love bottlenecked rounds: the more extreme, the better.

Let me know when you get it perfected!
cheers, erich

[lendringser]

[shameless attempt to rekindle The Post That Would Not Die]

Whatever happened to the sabot idea? You know, .223 bullets in a discarding plastic sabot? The howling from the Dawg Pound would never cease when they get to see the velocity and kinetic energy numbers.(But then again, they're so in love with their slow, heavy, bumbling bricks...)

[/shameless attempt to rekindle The Post That Would Not Die]


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"I will accept any rules that you feel necessary to your freedom. I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I

[TKM]

Just spitballing here. How about a hard(sealing waxish) compound with a gas check. Maybe just for prototypes... I use something similar with paintballs to colorize the pigeons. I had a good idea once, really I did. Honest.

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Happiness is a warm 10.

[poochg]

Thought some of you newcommers might like to see a piece of history from the 10 ring. this was a folow up post that went as long or longer then this one!

So T***10mm, how is it comming? Just curious!

[Fortyfied]

Has a 10mm bottleneck wildcat in .30 carbine been made? Maybe it was tried and failed? The cartridge would look similar to the 357Sig, but would launch a .3065 bullet.

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Big Dawg 870
The 10 Ring 870

[This message has been edited by Fortyfied (edited 05-07-2001).]

[poochg]

People here have talked about using 30 cal to 223 accelerators in the 30 carbine! I have load data for that load, if you want it, if you have bought the accelerators, you probably got the load data.......

[Westicle]

Yes the .30 Cal Bottle neck Cartridge has been made by a Fellow in British Columbia Canada.

It is called the .30 Armco "The .30Armco, by the way, is a 10mm case necked down, firing a 110grain .308 varmint bullet at 1850fps from a 5" 1911!"



Check out his web Site at ARMCO GUNS



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Big Dawg #403 (G21C)
Niner #403 (G17)
Wheelhouse #403 (617-1/SBH .44)

[G33]

Oooooooooh!
Looks like the .357 Sig on steroids.

[Tazz10m]

Well, there is always the "other alternative" which is to use the 30 Armco brass and barrel, then load them up with 30-223 sabots... which theoretically will work, but, if a bottle necked cartridge is going to be used, why not neck it all the way down to .223? Reason: we want to use the stock 10mm barrel and cases. (That 30 Armco really is cool though! )

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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[Rusty Phillips]

you know - all this talk about & waiting for sabots has really gotten to me.

i just cant stand it anymore.

i want to load something.

SO,

im going to take some Speer 50 grain TNT's and wrap the bullets up as tightly as i can in teflon pipe tape until they are about .452-.460 inches, and then stuff them into 45 acp cases full of bullseye and cut them loose in my 625.

if i had a 610 id try to do this in 10mm but i dont so i wont.

i figure at least we can start experimenting with quasi saboted 223's in our 10's and 45's.

probably a 610 (or 625) would allow some of the load development to progress without having to worry about slide velocity and automatic function of the G20.

we can sort all that out later IF we get sabots.

STOP THE MADNESS! somebody give me some sabots before do something really foolish - please!

[Tazz10m]

Rusty, maybe you could find a .45 sabot and wrap the bullet, stuff it, and slit the teflon tape so that it peals away on exit. This way you have sabot against the barrel rather than teflon tape. Teflon tape against the barrel might expand and cause a pressure spike, but i have no idea.

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Your first and best weapon or tool is always your mind.

Reality always takes precedence.

The only thing that should come between you, and any gun... is comfort. Get Agrip!

[poochg]

A barrel/cylinder gap is less then ideal for shooting sabots! (be very carefull)

[poochg]

[This message has been edited by poochg (edited 05-12-2001).]

[Tamara]

Has anyone converted a 610 to .40-44 Woodswalker yet?

10mm 150gr Sierras @ 2400ish fps sounds intrigueing...

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10 Ring #2910, Wheelhouse #6254455, Big Dawg #447
MOLON LABE!