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Old 08-07-2004, 23:27   #1
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looking for a heavy handgun available locally

Am looking to buy a really heavy handgun (to soak up recoil, have some arthritis.)The gun would be just for target practice, meditation, and home defense, not carry.

Of course will not buy a heavy .44 magnum or .500 magnum, as the power of the rounds would negate the recoil-damping mass of the revolver. My present 686+ with 4 inch barrel (38.5 ounces without ammo)firing .38 spcl. +P rounds works fine. .357 rounds are acceptable for occasional shots.

Heaviest locally-available non-.44 mag handguns I know of are: 1) the
Taurus 608 (8 round cylinder of .357/.38) at 51 ounces with a 6-inch barrel); and 2)anybody have/know of a really heavy version (at least 40 ounces, preferably more) of a 1911A1?

BOGs, you know of any other locally-available heavy-type (about 40 ounces and up) handguns under .44 magnum caliber?
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Old 08-08-2004, 00:08   #2
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How about the Desert Eagle in 357 magnum? I heard some claims that its gas action cuts down the recoil of the 357.
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Old 08-08-2004, 00:13   #3
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Ante ,

You can try the huge "Desert Eagle" (9-shot mag. .357 Magnum , weighs around 48-75 oz.). Guns for the Good Guys has it.


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Old 08-08-2004, 02:27   #4
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Re: looking for a heavy handgun available locally

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anybody have/know of a really heavy version (at least 40 ounces, preferably more) of a 1911A1?
An STI with a long dust cover, tungsten sleeved barrel and tungsten guide rod will weigh approximately 43 ounces. Adding the same to a para would also do it.
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Old 08-08-2004, 03:53   #5
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perhaps an STi pistol in .45 caliber will definitely fit the bill. something like this?
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Old 08-08-2004, 08:32   #6
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HEAVY GUN

Go to the Ruger website. I recommend the GP-100 6" barrel.
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Old 08-08-2004, 08:34   #7
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Old 08-08-2004, 10:33   #8
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Re: looking for a heavy handgun available locally

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Am looking to buy a really heavy handgun (to soak up recoil, have some arthritis.)The gun would be just for target practice, meditation, and home defense, not carry.
Shooting as meditation ?

Interesting

I thought I was the only one who did that.

I think the shooting sports develops mental discipline
and concentration of mind sort of like a martials arts - yoga
thing.

It also is a GREAT stress relief.
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Old 08-08-2004, 19:34   #9
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how about going the custom route and building your own 1911 pistol? The classic .45 ACP SS 1911 still has the best balance among all pistols in my opinion. And at 40 ounces, it soaks up recoil really good. And if you use custom reloads with light bullet heads and quality powder, you can dampen the muzzle rise even more! And with the inherent accuracy of the .45 ACP round, you can build a tackdriver that shoots 1-1.5 inches at 25 meters.

my new toy shoots 2-3 inches OFFHAND out to 15 meters using standard range ammo. this is the recommended accuracy among top US gunsmiths for a practical carry pistol. with custom handloads and on a benchrest, it'll probably do better at 25 meters.

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PS: I forgot to add the Para-Ordnance LDA series of 1911s. The Light Double Action is set at 7-7.5#s at the factory and its trigger pull characteristic is similar to a revolver but the break seems lighter than the factory set pull. A 58 yr old team mate is using a 9mm LDA for ipsc competition and is very happy with it. Problem with the Paras, its so expensive already! Last gunshow, the LDA was going for 70+k and the Limited version was even more expensive.

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Old 08-08-2004, 23:37   #10
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Jericho 941 IPSC

I suggest you check with Magnificent Guns. Their website offers a Jericho 941 9 mm. IPSC edition that weighs 1.2 kilos. That's more than 42 ounces (The standard Jericho weighs around 900 grams, I think) . I have seen one of these. The slide and dust cover are built up to soak recoil and reduce muzzle flip. You can also purchase a 40 caliber conversion kit, for those moments that require more intense meditation...
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Old 08-08-2004, 23:53   #11
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Ah, Taurus, 42 ounces for a 9mm special-type Jericho 941? That's fully twice as heavy as a G17. Yes, that wouldn't hit the old fingerjoints nearly as much. And I used to have a Tanfoglio 9mm (also nice and heavy at about 38 ounces) so I am familiar with that platform. hmmm...

The Desert Eagle? I'll look at it. Would be a fight between the mass of the gun and the power of the .357. Cool-looking, though. Hollywood-type gun. Good for meditation.

Build up my own gun? Ah, that's for experts with plenty of experience like Doc Eye Cutter. For the time being, I'll stick to the pre-packaged monsters.

Thanks, gentlemen!
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Old 08-09-2004, 06:31   #12
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Ah, Taurus, 42 ounces for a 9mm special-type Jericho 941? That's fully twice as heavy as a G17. Yes, that wouldn't hit the old fingerjoints nearly as much. And I used to have a Tanfoglio 9mm (also nice and heavy at about 38 ounces) so I am familiar with that platform. hmmm...

The Desert Eagle? I'll look at it. Would be a fight between the mass of the gun and the power of the .357. Cool-looking, though. Hollywood-type gun. Good for meditation.

Build up my own gun? Ah, that's for experts with plenty of experience like Doc Eye Cutter. For the time being, I'll stick to the pre-packaged monsters.

Thanks, gentlemen!
Ante, kung meditation ang hanap mo
Try small caliber target rifles. A souped up Ruger 10/22 or my fave , a Sako bolt action in 22. then add expensive optics and match ammo
Walang recoil, and you can meditate while trying to keep 5 shots in a .22 hole at 50 yards. ( kaya ng sako yun! )
Madali maghanap ng range, hindi mainit sa mata , and very challenging.
Pwede rin siya pang home defense , pag nilagyan ng bayonet yung dulo
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Old 08-09-2004, 19:10   #13
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Pero wouldn't you be short-changing yourself if you use a .22 caliber rifle simply because you want to keep noise down. ?

You want to practise maintaining mental equipoise in the face of chaos - loud noises, for example.

That's the challenge, di ba ?

Doing meditation when things are silent is less challenging.
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Old 08-09-2004, 19:46   #14
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Pero wouldn't you be short-changing yourself if you use a .22 caliber rifle simply because you want to keep noise down. ?

You want to practise maintaining mental equipoise in the face of chaos - loud noises, for example.

That's the challenge, di ba ?

Doing meditation when things are silent is less challenging.
Pwede rin garand, kaso limited and available ranges and as I said, mainit sa mata ng lespu
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Old 08-09-2004, 20:55   #15
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Is this considered a handgun?

Ingram M10 (.45 caliber model)
Caliber: 11.43mm (0.45 in.)
Weight: loaded 3.818 kg (8.4 lb)
Lengths: stock extended 548 mm (21.575 in)
stock folded 269 mm (10.59 in.)
barrel 146 mm (5.75 in.)
supressor 291 mm (11.46 in.)
Muzzle velocity: 280 m/sec. (918 ft/sec.)
Cyclic rate of fire:1145 rpm
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds



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Old 08-10-2004, 20:30   #16
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In the US, a handgun is defined as anything with a barrel less than 18 inches.

So yes, your Ingram is a handgun
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Old 08-12-2004, 01:53   #17
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wow,

that "handgun" is a cool IWB carry. why did'nt i think of that;f ;f


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Old 08-15-2004, 08:59   #18
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maybe one of these...

Have seen threads in other forums giving bad comments about Desert Eagles from guys who own them.

Maybe I'll just buy a Ruger Redhawk .357 ,or a Ruger SP 100 .357. Those two handguns are in the 44 - 50 ounce range, I believe. Saw them at Twin Pines/Casa Armas. The Redhawk looks like a little cannon.
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Ante ,

You can try the huge "Desert Eagle" (9-shot mag. .357 Magnum , weighs around 48-75 oz.). Guns for the Good Guys has it.


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when was the last time you went there? and do you know the price tag? i sold mine 2 years ago but have since then been looking for another one
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Old 09-01-2004, 08:56   #20
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anybody have a Ruger GP - 100?

Well, looks like my next "heavyish" gun will be a Ruger GP-100 with a six inch barrel (and for one thing it will be easier to get technically-advanced speedloaders - Safariland Comp. III etc.- for a six-round cylinder rather than for my S&W 686+'s 7-shot cylinder. The 686+ is great except for that.)

Does anybody own a Ruger GP-100? Please send me some feedback.
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