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02-09-2005, 22:05
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02-16-2005, 13:45
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02-24-2005, 22:47
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do you guys think that the 10mm 200gr. XTP is practical at all for personal carry I am planning on getting some of the 165gr GDHP, but not sure which other type to try. Primary use will be personal protection. Basically do you think the 165 would be more effective than the 200 if they both hit in the same place on a BG?
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02-26-2005, 06:41
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I think the 200gr will probably cause a bit less immediate shock and a lot more life threatening damage. Same as a deer, I think a bad guy would bleed out faster with the added exit wound you would get with the 200gr.
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03-10-2005, 12:33
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MV vs. Length?
Mike, Can you provide some info for velocities vs. barrel length? I'm particularly interested in .40, 10mm, and .45, in case the data set is too large. Or just velocity delta per inch, generally speaking, from your baseline, whatever that is.
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03-12-2005, 17:57
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Originally posted by bac1023
This data is the reason I carry the 135gr load. It should deposit most or all of its energy in the BG without overpenetration.
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I agree the 135 gr load is my carry choice .
Thanks mike for the info hopefully the mods will give this a sticky.
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04-16-2005, 09:22
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Will there be pictures of the fired bullets and post-fired bullet weights?
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04-20-2005, 10:56
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Will there be pictures of the fired bullets and post-fired bullet weights?
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Is this an inappropriate or irrelevant question?
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04-21-2005, 17:29
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Will there be pictures of the fired bullets and post-fired bullet weights?
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I would love to see pics of the fired bullets.
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05-07-2005, 18:30
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Now if that 158gr Gold Dot is fired from a Ruger Sp-101 like mine with 2.25in barrel (I've fired a box, great ammo!) what could it be expected to do in gelatin?
Mike said it gets about 1225fps. I'm thinking the expansion would be about the same but would penetrate a couple inches less. What say you Mike?
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05-10-2005, 16:35
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Very tough bullet. I would guess that the expansion would be .52-.53" and the penetration would be similar.
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05-11-2005, 19:50
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Thanks Mike!
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06-01-2005, 23:37
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What sort of fireball do you folks get with the super-light 135gr bullet in 10mm?
My Witness 10mm should be here Thursday or Friday. I wish someone locally would sell DT ammo! I hate mail order! FTF purchases are so much better.
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06-08-2005, 17:39
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Not much. The flash is very minimal even with the 135gr loading.
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06-18-2005, 11:09
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I think that the 165 GD Expanding to 1.08 is astounding. A round going through vital tissue while expanding to the size of a quarter.
Doubling its size with penetration. I did carry the 155 gr. I think I've just changed to the 165s.
The 200 gr XTP...........Have you done any testing against car doors, walls..........I think you did say 25 inches of pine board.
I usually carry these while in the back woods........but may carry a mag full as a secondary back up mag for defense.
I'm not a big proponent of over penetration anymore, after I did some research, and found little to back up that so called safty issue.
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07-17-2005, 16:54
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Very Informative!
Mike, thanks for the information.
It would appear that my choice would be the 135gr or the 165gr GD's. While the 165gr GD's offer more in the way of expansion, I'm wondering if the fragmented pieces of the 135gr HP would possibly create secondary wound channels. If so, perhaps the 11" of penetration would quite adequate.
In any case, either choice in my G20 or 1066 should be up to the job if ever required(and I hope it's NEVER required!). Again Mike, a big "Thank You" for everything you've done, not just for the 10mm community.
Frank
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07-24-2005, 15:04
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info
here is a big thank you mike for all you have done for us on gt. :ladiesmn:
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07-24-2005, 15:21
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Re: info
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here is a big thank you mike for all you have done for us on gt. :ladiesmn:
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08-09-2005, 00:04
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Thanks Mike McNett for the impressive data, which I also look forward to seeing on the 9mm when it's released on August 15, 2005.
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08-31-2005, 01:56
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Thanks McNett for all you do and that's great data you posted. I've been a .357 and .45acp all my life and I really like the 10mm; seems to be the best of both worlds. ;Y ^c ^6
Adios,
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09-19-2005, 09:32
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Hey Mike, can you add the 9mm loads to this list please. Thankyou.;c
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09-24-2005, 18:07
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Quote:
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Hey Mike, can you add the 9mm loads to this list please. Thankyou.;c
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10-15-2005, 17:36
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The 200 gr XTP...........Have you done any testing against car doors, walls..........I think you did say 25 inches of pine board.
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I've done some testing with 1 3/4" cinder block slabs and the 200gr XTP shed it's jacket 50% of the time above 1030fps.
I had one 230gr Golden Saber (.45acp) lose its jacket at 890fps but not all bullets were recovered. The 10mm is more spectacular when hitting a slab, but the .45acp does the same job. Both go through cinder block walls.
This week I plan on running the same test with 180gr Gold Dots and Golden Sabers 10mm. If there's time I'll run the same test with 185gr GS in .45acp.
I also have some .357mag Nosler 158gr that need to be used for comparison.
Adios,
Bob
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10-18-2005, 20:12
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I would love to see pics of the fired bullets.
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+1 I really want to see what happens to the 135gr. HP at 1600fps!
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10-27-2005, 16:29
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Could you please post the 9mm results as well?
thanks.
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