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Old 03-17-2005, 21:53   #1
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What PPE for MVC?

I have a question for you guys. This is going to vary from dept to dept, so I wanna hear what you guys do.

You are toned out for a two car MVC w/injuries, possible entrapment.

What's your PPE?

Full Gear (Pants, Coat, Helmet, but no SCBA)?
Pants Only?
Pants and Helmet?
Coat and Helmet?

Each differant department seems to have an idea what they think will be best suiting for them. If we are toned out for such a call, the engine crew will usually don coat and helmet, and toss the pants/boots in a side compartment, while our neighboring dept will do the opposite, and just wear pants.

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Old 03-18-2005, 16:04   #2
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We are required to wear full turnout gear for ANY call, except medical calls (station uniforms). Only the driver can get off the truck without a coat on. Even minor stuff, like wires down or MVA's without injuries, if you are on scene, you are in full gear.
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Old 03-19-2005, 10:28   #3
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We are in full gear when first arriving and while "operating". Drivers are the exception, but they are to stay with their vehicle. Once the situation is under control and rescue work is over, people can take gear off. Especially during hot days, the officers will tell guys to take off gear because of the possibility of heat exhaustion. We wear something that readily identifies us as firemen, though.

An exception to this is when firemen direct traffic, and are away from the immediate incident scene. We wear enough to identify ourselves as firemen, but there is no need to get heat exhaustion by wearing full gear while just directing traffic.

Also, when we go mutual aid to surrounding towns, we wear full gear always (have to look good!) unless directed otherwise by one of our officers, or an officer of the dept we are helping.

I guess the "rule of thumb" is when in doubt, put on full gear. Then decide if it is appropriate to take some off.
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Old 03-19-2005, 14:27   #4
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For an MVA it would be full TOG, lid, leather or mechanic type gloves, and eye protection. As Tvov said, we are allowed to gear down once the "work" is over.
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Old 03-19-2005, 18:51   #5
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Dept I used to be with was fullturnouts AND SCBA, seemed silly but I think it was a good idea.
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Old 03-19-2005, 19:44   #6
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All we have on our trucks are hard hats, eye protection and extracation gloves.

I did my very first extracation without any safety gear at all!

I know, it was stupid!
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Old 03-19-2005, 23:30   #7
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For us it all depended on where you were stationed, ambulance crew usually went in station gear, rescue went in full turn-outs.;Y
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Old 03-19-2005, 23:37   #8
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Rescue

Here is a good one for you guys, I spent 231/2 yrs. on the dept. The day after we had our training on one of the first Hurst Tools issued, I had my first rescue with a Hurst Tool. The girl was blinded by the sun, while driving east and cross the center line and took on a semi head on------ she survived.;Y
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Old 03-20-2005, 06:38   #9
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We start out with pants and helmet, and adjust accordingly.
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Old 03-27-2005, 20:15   #10
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Full PPE for FD - Rescue Squad (EMS Agency here) wears station uniforms.

As others have stated it's faster/easier to "dress down" if not needed than to "dress up".

It's been a long uphill battle to get full PPE as the policy and sometimes it's still not followed like it should be.

That being said - I think that at last 2 persons in SCBA (not on air per say but "packed & ready") on a charged 1.5 attack line should be the norm. while extrication is taking place. After the life threat is removed & during clean-up/recovery I'd say it would be o.k. for the hose team to ditch the packs.
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Old 04-05-2005, 19:55   #11
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Full turnout gear and safety glasses for eye protection. If it is an extrication and I will be in the car and treating PT's during the extrication then I add my helmet.
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Old 04-25-2005, 10:46   #12
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JLW_84,

As you already know here in the "BIG CITIES" of Wilder, and Southgate...lol... We require Full Turn-out gear, no S.C.B.A. and helmet with eye protection, and at least your structural firefighting gloves...or extrication gloves.

by the way I will be on shift at Wilder Monday Night and Tuesday morning untill 1800 hrs. gimme a call.


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Old 04-29-2005, 10:22   #13
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We run with full turnout gear, helmet, and goggles.
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Old 04-29-2005, 11:41   #14
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That being said - I think that at last 2 persons in SCBA (not on air per say but "packed & ready") on a charged 1.5 attack line should be the norm. while extrication is taking place. After the life threat is removed & during clean-up/recovery I'd say it would be o.k. for the hose team to ditch the packs.
Our policy states that we can't start our Hurst tool without the FD being on scene with a charged line.

Obviously a good idea!
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Old 04-29-2005, 16:03   #15
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Our policy states that we can't start our Hurst tool without the FD being on scene with a charged line.

Obviously a good idea!
Good idea, but do you always go by that?? You won't start extrication until a line is set up and charged?? Actually, you won't start the tool itself?

We start extrication right away , while hose lines and backup crews are being set up. You may only save a minute or two, or if there is a problem with the truck/pump/hose lines, you may save a lot of time.
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Good idea, but do you always go by that?? You won't start extrication until a line is set up and charged?? Actually, you won't start the tool itself?

We start extrication right away , while hose lines and backup crews are being set up. You may only save a minute or two, or if there is a problem with the truck/pump/hose lines, you may save a lot of time.
I personally have never been in the position to have to make that call.

However, two folks with my agency did an extrication before the FD got on scene, per one of the two involved they only got an ass chewing.
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Old 04-30-2005, 21:55   #17
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I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for waiting for the hoseline to start your tools? Are they afraid the hydraulic tools might cause a fire? I would think that if the vehicle was at risk of burning I would want to at least try to get the pt. out rather than watch them burn.
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Old 05-01-2005, 00:00   #18
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I'm not sure I understand the reasoning for waiting for the hoseline to start your tools? Are they afraid the hydraulic tools might cause a fire? I would think that if the vehicle was at risk of burning I would want to at least try to get the pt. out rather than watch them burn.
I'm by no means an extrication expert but I think the rationale behind it is the potential for a fire while cutting on a car that is probably leaking fluids everywhere.
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As long as you dont use an abrasive blade saw like in "Backdraft" the risk of displacing or severing with hydraulics would be very low. The risk of ignition would be more likely to come from the vehicle itself. Disconnecting the batteries can reduce the risk somewhat. I would start the extrication.
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Old 05-05-2005, 15:07   #20
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Our SOG states that everyone is in full turnouts while on any emergency run. Also further states that there is a RIT crew, defined as a team w/ a charged line & assortment of rescue equipment ready to act, on every emergency where personnel are in an idlh atmosphere.
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