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Old 01-19-2006, 17:26   #1
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BoG Firearms Quiz - 10 questions

Just for fun... subukan n'yo lang if you like!





1. What is the logic/raison behind the 'Firearms Bond' in your license fees?

2. What law forbids foreigner-ownership of firearms in the Philippines?

3. What is the shortest legal barrel length for a shotgun in the Philippines?

4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines?

5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of handguns.

6. Who formulated the '4 Basic Rules' of Firearm Safety?

7. On what basis are high-powered rifle competitions presently suspended?

8. Who has historical priority on the 'Armscor' name, the Tuasons or the South Africans?

9. Name the 3 oldest operating gun dealers in the Philippines.

10. Which local ammunition manufacturers will be contract-supplying the AFP and/or PNP in 2006?


Bonus question:
11. What is the single biggest flaw to Ballistic Fingerprinting as a crimefighting tool, within the context of present FED Licensing Rules, Requlations and Requirements?






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Old 01-19-2006, 18:29   #2
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Re: BoG Firearms Quiz - 10 questions

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Just for fun... subukan n'yo lang if you like!





1. What is the logic/raison behind the 'Firearms Bond' in your license fees?-some people get to milk juan dela cruz on the side ;f

2. What law forbids foreigner-ownership of firearms in the Philippines? - duh

3. What is the shortest legal barrel length for a shotgun in the Philippines? -such a prohibition exists? ;Q

4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines? - Twin Pines?

5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of handguns. - Armscor, SAM.. you mean there is more? ;G

6. Who formulated the '4 Basic Rules' of Firearm Safety? - Somebody from the USA

7. On what basis are high-powered rifle competitions presently suspended? - IIRC, it was triggered by the assasination of Pasig Mayoralty aspirant Henry Lanot, who by the way was shot ba a pistol wielding perp. This coupled with incompetence of.....(you guess)

8. Who has historical priority on the 'Armscor' name, the Tuasons or the South Africans? -Tuasons

9. Name the 3 oldest operating gun dealers in the Philippines. - Armscor, PB Dionisio, Squires Bingham?

10. Which local ammunition manufacturers will be contract-supplying the AFP and/or PNP in 2006? - Armscor?


Bonus question:
11. What is the single biggest flaw to Ballistic Fingerprinting as a crimefighting tool, within the context of present FED Licensing Rules, Requlations and Requirements? -Its not really performed, no database maintained.






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Old 01-19-2006, 18:47   #3
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Horge,

Partial lang ha.

3. 18.5 in.
4. Twin Pines
5. Armscor, SAM, Rock Island, Squires Bingham, Cortez (Cebu)
8. South Africa
9. Squires Bingham, E de Leon, Tabacalera (I think they sold firearms aside from tobacco)
10. Armscor, Government Arsenal (BMP)
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Old 01-19-2006, 18:49   #4
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Re: BoG Firearms Quiz - 10 questions

1. In case your FA gets lost while being processed at FED, you get to claim certain figure from the insurance.

2. You mentioned that before in one of your threads, but I can't re-call and too lazy to search.

3. 16

4. Twin Pines

5. .Armscor, SAM, didn't know there were others.

6. Col. J. Cooper

7. Whim of the president.

8. South Africans ARMSCORP

9. Squires....

10. ?
Bonus question:
11. Have you seen the balde-balde of firger printed bullets in Crame?
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Old 01-19-2006, 18:57   #5
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Mannix, 2 out of 10
isuzu, 1 out of 10 due to a technicality
vega, 1 1/2 out of 10 on a technicality

I'm not telling which ones you got right
until someone gets at least 6 of them right!!!!!!!
Or until someone bribes me properly!!!
Or.... or at least until Wednesday comes around!!!

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Mannix,
I've met and/or run into Berning a few times, over the past few decades,
and it'll take more surgery/treatment than just that.
She had incredible skin every time.
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Old 01-19-2006, 19:12   #6
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Re: BoG Firearms Quiz - 10 questions

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Just for fun... subukan n'yo lang if you like!





1. Wala lang.

2. ???

3. 18 inches

4. AFP

5. Shooters, Armscor, Squires Bingham, Stirling, Elisco

6. James Cooper?

7. Trip lang nila

8. Tuasons

9. AFP, PNP, CAFGU.

10.Armscor???


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11.Lots of undocumented / unregistered firearms


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Lupit mo, darwin...

Kung licensed dealer talaga ang AFP, pnalo ka na, kaso dehins , e.
0 for 10, I think.

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Lupit mo, darwin...

Kung licensed dealer talaga ang AFP, pnalo ka na, kaso dehins , e.
0 for 10, I think.

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Old 01-19-2006, 19:26   #9
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#11 lang po hulaan ko:

The FED recognizes the serialized frame only as the firearm. Therefore, you can switch anything else legally, including the barrel, and still have the same firearm license number.
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Old 01-19-2006, 19:40   #10
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Darwin, bakit pati si james cooper dinadamay mo dyan?? baka magsalit sayo at bigyan ka ng hair cut! ahehehe

1. What is the logic/raison behind the 'Firearms Bond' in your license fees? - MONEY...

2. What law forbids foreigner-ownership of firearms in the Philippines? THE GOV'T IS AFRIAD NA BAKA PATI FOREIGNERS SUMAMA SA MGA RALLY MAY DALANG BARIL

3. What is the shortest legal barrel length for a shotgun in the Philippines? SORRY I DON'T KNOW

4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines? HAHN MANILA

5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of handguns. SHOOTERS, ARMSCOR, ROCK ISLAND, PALTIC...HAHAHA

6. Who formulated the '4 Basic Rules' of Firearm Safety? COL. JEFF COPPER FOUNDER OF IPSC

7. On what basis are high-powered rifle competitions presently suspended? TAKOT LANG GOBYERNO SA ARMED CITIZEN..BUT SERIOUSLY THEY THINK BY BANNING IT THEYT THINK THAT THEY WILL LOWER CRIMINALITY, EH HINDI NAMAN LEGAL MGA BARIL NG MGA CRIMINAL EH DIBA? WHERE'S THE LOGIC????

8. Who has historical priority on the 'Armscor' name, the Tuasons or the South Africans? I HAVE NO IDEA

9. Name the 3 oldest operating gun dealers in the Philippines. TWIN PINES, ON TARGET, AND FINAL OPTION??

10. Which local ammunition manufacturers will be contract-supplying the AFP and/or PNP in 2006? ARMSCOR


Bonus question:
11. What is the single biggest flaw to Ballistic Fingerprinting as a crimefighting tool, within the context of present FED Licensing Rules, Requlations and Requirements? - MONEY...CORRUPTION...LAHAT KASI PWEDE BAYARAN EH.
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Old 01-19-2006, 19:43   #11
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Daya mo Evan...

you have to try to guess all 10/11....
Buking tuloy ako ngayon:
Evan 1 out of 11.
(so, 0 out of 10 ka pa rin!!!!!!! Mwahahahahaha!!!!)

Yes.
Ballistics testing fingerprints the BARREL mostly
(breechface din, if you count casings).

Never mind the truth that firing changes the rifling signature
of a barrel over extensive use, the bottom line is that it is only
frames/receivers that are required to bear a serial number,
and ballistic fingerprinting involves them not at all.
So many un-numbered barrels being churned out here, legally.

So, if someone swaps out the barrel, e di baog na ang FED database.
PNP knows this, deadma na lang because the database is poorly
set up anyway.
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Now begs the question, what about shotguns? Certainly no rifling on the pellets. Now, if you pick up the shell casings after firing then there are no extractor/ejector/breechface marks to find.

So now, you have an untraceable firearm. Is there any way to match 00 buck to a specific weapon?
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Sshhhhhh!!!
Baka marinig ka ng Congress, ipagbawal pa ang scatterguns, hahaha!
It all sounds even worse when you consider the correct answer to question #3

The questions I chose are not entirely random, and are often related to each other
in the context of issues that face firearm owners today.
That is why I recommended answering ALL 10 (or 11 if you like).
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1. What is the logic/raison behind the 'Firearms Bond' in your license fees?

It is being charged pursuant to Section 884 of the Revised Administrative Code, so that if you happen to lose your firearm, the government still makes money

2. What law forbids foreigner-ownership of firearms in the Philippines?

General Order 7-B, SOP dated 17 January 1973

3. What is the shortest legal barrel length for a shotgun in the Philippines?

There is none.

4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines?

Twin Pines (they also own the Tools Trading branches in the provinces)

5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of handguns.

Armscor, Floro Intl, SAM, Rock Island Armory, World-MPC (Workers League of Danao-Multipurpose Cooperative)

6. Who formulated the '4 Basic Rules' of Firearm Safety?

Jeff Cooper

7. On what basis are high-powered rifle competitions presently suspended?

'Cuz the PNP chief said so

8. Who has historical priority on the 'Armscor' name, the Tuasons or the South Africans?

The Armanents Corporation of South Africa (Armscor), established 1948

9. Name the 3 oldest operating gun dealers in the Philippines.

PB Dionisio, Armscor, and Squires Bingham

10. Which local ammunition manufacturers will be contract-supplying the AFP and/or PNP in 2006?

Armscor and PB Dionisio


Bonus question:
11. What is the single biggest flaw to Ballistic Fingerprinting as a crimefighting tool, within the context of present FED Licensing Rules, Requlations and Requirements?;Q

Already answered by other posters. The barrel can be swapped out prior to committing a crime.
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Mikey,


You got close enough to making 6 of 11!
So, here are some of the answers, and clues where answers have availed us not:


3. What is the shortest legal barrel length for a shotgun in the Philippines?
YES! Mannix, and later Mikey got this one.
On extensive discussion with PSINSP Callejo of FED Legal,
I turned up very little codified guidance on this matter.
Of course, not all issuances from Malacañang, DILG or DND
are for General Publication (mga secret orders baga, eeeeek!),
so I'm not 100% sure, but it looks like there is no
legal restriction vs. short barrels. Mga Jaguar nga dyan, e...

Hindi kasi uso ang topbreak shotguns dito, so allowing for a pump-action's
tube/magazine tends to keep barrels a 'decent' length anyway.


I was almost afraid to bring this all up, as some bureaucrat
with nothing better to do might make a crusade of legislating
a minimum barrel length for scatterguns.



5. Name at least 5 Philippine brands of handguns.
Lots of you got this one in part or in whole
'Armscor' - by Armscor
'Squires Bingham' - by Armscor
'SAM' - by Shooters Arms Manufacturing
'Rock Island Armory' - by Twin Pines Inc.
'Federal' - by Floro International
'World' ('Bonifacio', 'Rizal', etc) - by World-MPC of Danao
'Elisco' - by Elisco Tool Mfg.
'FERFRANS' - by FERFRANS
etc., etc...


6. Who formulated the '4 Basic Rules' of Firearm Safety?
vega, i_am_infinity, and then mikey177 got this one.
It was indeed the paternal Titan of 'practical shooting',
Jeff Cooper (USMC, Ret.), founding President of the IPSC.

(Iyang si James Cooper naman, hair-dryer ang nasa holster )


8. Who have historical priority on the 'Armscor' name, the Tuasons or the South Africans?
The Tuasons.
Mannix ws first to guess right.
Although it likes to trace its roots to a camera shop founded in 1906
(Squires Bingham), the 'Arms Corporation of the Philippines' was
incorporated in 1980. It used both 'Armscor' and 'Armscorp' trademarks
for awhile, before quickly settling on the former, which was less
ambiguous to pronounce.

The Krygstuig Korporasie van Suid-Afrika (Armaments Corporation of South Africa)
in Pretoria traces its beginnings to 1948 as the apartheid state
armament factory. However, it only started using the 'Armscor'
acronym for one of its corporate divisions (which was set up
in 1979) in late 1982 to mid-1983.

So, the Tuasons, by a nose --and the South Africans still dispute this.
The Americans seem to agree with us, which is why the South Africans
have to use 'Armscorp' in the USA.



9. Name the 3 oldest operating gun dealers in the Philippines.
AFAICT, Mikey got this one first.
Squires Bingham 1929
P. B. Dionisio 1946
Armscor 1980 (beating E. de Leon/SAM by a year or two, I teenk.)

I could have sworn E. de Leon went back to the 50's,
but maybe I'm wrong and it actually does, and there could
still be other, older dealers out there, and I'd love any
correction on this matter.


-------------
That leaves:

1. What is the logic/raison behind the 'Firearms Bond' in your license fees?
Keep trying!
I'm not looking for the legal basis, but the LOGIC (if any, hehe) to:
a deposit vs. property loss that is forfeited to THE GOVERNMENT
should you lose YOUR property.



2. What law forbids foreigner-ownership of firearms in the Philippines?
Keep trying!
a. The main body of General Order No. 7-B (officially listed as General Order No. 22)
makes no mention of a licensing exclusivity based on citizenship.

b. The SOP for the above 7-B was appended to, and made an 'integral part' of said 7-B
via Section 4, but... heres the bottom line:

c. Whatever else 7-B and its SOP may or may not say...
7-B was repealed in its entirety by E.O. 194 (s.2000),
and so, no longer exists as a 'law'. Neither should its SOP survive,
since, as an 'integral part' of 7-B, it 'goes down with the ship'.

(PNP SOP's like NR13 which merely cite 7-B still survive,
precisely because they only cite, and are not an actual part
of any repealed law or order --but they are themselves neither 'laws' nor 'orders'.
The quiz question is looking for a 'law', ...or at least an 'order')
Whew! ;f ;f ;f



4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines?
Try again?
AFAICT, Twin Pines, A-Zone and Tools Trading carry separate
dealer's licenses... thus I feel they are not all one 'dealer',
though they are all controlled by the Topacios.



7. On what basis are high-powered rifle competitions presently suspended?
So close, so close...


10. Which local ammunition manufacturers will be contract-supplying the AFP and/or PNP in 2006?
Try again!
It is a matter of law, actually.



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4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines?

Shooters Guns and Ammo
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(Iyang si James Cooper naman, hair-dryer ang nasa holster )[/color]
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CORRECT ANSWER, DINO!!!
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4. Which gun dealer has the largest network of stores in the Philippines?

Shooters Guns and Ammo Corp. has over sixty (60) outlets
all over the archipelago, including a broad AFPSLAI and PAFCIPIC
presence, and the number looks to grow over the next few years.

Armscor, king of the hill in its infancy, adopted a conventional
manufacturer's model of distribution: Squires Bingham aside,
retail was left to third-party retailers.

Shooters Arms Manufacturing had to build its own retail network to
compete and sell its own brand of pistols, via an expansion of the
original E. de Leon Gun store chain: SGAC.


Only questions numbered 1,2,7 & 10 remain!
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Yep Horge,

E de Leon is a very old gun dealer. I remember seeing one in the '70s. My dad nearly bought a .38 Super Gold Cup from them prior to Martial Law for just P700.00 (.45s sold between P200.00-P250.00, NIB). Just didn't materialize because of Martial Law weeks later.
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isuzu,

Thanks, that's what I'd known rin...
However, wanting to verify, I called up SGAC and someone pointed me
towards 1997 as the birth of Shooters, and 1982 as the start point
of the particular 'E. de Leon Gun Store' (Perhaps there were different,
'rival' E. de Leon gunstores: parang Lumanog music store baga...)
that spawned the Shooters of today.

Maybe the person I was speaking to misheard me, or I misheard her.
It was admittedly a weird question to be tossing at them over the phone!
Regardless, mabait talaga ang SGAC folks, right up there with the
'Weapons Systems Corp.' and 'Straight Shooter' folks, among others.
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