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Old 03-27-2006, 22:36   #1
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The new USAF ABU is ready

Well, the USMC got their MARPATs, the US Army has their ACU; even the Navy has their own digital uniform...

But what about the USAF???

The answer is YES...

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The new Airman Battle Uniform is ready for production and will be available in fiscal 2007. The new uniform design is a pixilated tiger stripe with four soft earth tones consisting of tan, gray, green and blue. The ABU will have a permanent crease and will be offered in 50-50 nylon-cotton blend permanent press fabric eliminating the need for winter and summer weight uniforms. The current projected mandatory wear date for the new ABU is fiscal 2011. The only thing that needs to be determined is if patches will be worn and the Air Force chief of staff will make that determination soon.


I was over at Mc Dill AFB last week to check the availability of the Army ACUs (I'm in the US Army Reserves) and I saw the final design of the fabric; Digital Tiger Stripes? Hmmm, never thought about that one.
The new uniform is reminiscent of the Old Tiger Stripe uniforms worn by USAF Para Rescue guys and the US Navy SEALs back in Vietnam.

Well, one thing's for certain, it looks far better than the first prototypes:

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Blue Tiger Stripes??? You have got to be kidding me!
(Couldn't wear those with a straight face )
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Old 03-28-2006, 08:16   #2
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The things that pisses me off is that Chief Murray pretty much nixed the idea of updating the design to have pockets on the upper sleeve so we can keep on sewing on patches on the sleeves citing that it's an Air Force tradition. Hell, transition is our tradition so why not get the stuff the PJs, TAC-P, cops and combat weathermen want and NEED on the new uniforms rather than clinging to outdated designs simply for the sake of some desk-bound poages idea of what constitutes "tradition".
Next, while anything is better than the smurf slaughter suit, is pixilated tiger-stripes really the best way to go here? "Oh but gee, it looks really cool and stuff" Really? Well, what way do shadows run in nature? Up and down right? So why are they insisting on a uniform that is polarized to that effect? There is only one reason and that the powers that be think that the air of SEALs, LRRPs and Air America stuff from Vietnam is still a cool look and want to keep it around no matter how impratical it is or how many casualties it causes simply because somebody wanted to leave their mark on air force history!
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Old 03-29-2006, 02:43   #3
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Hey, when the bullets start flying, you'll be on your belly or your back soon enough (of your own accord, or not).

I'd rather have the cammy pattern oriented so when I'm TRYING to burrow into the local weedpatch, they match. When I'm standing/walking around, I look nothing like anything normally seen in the woods/fields (or so I'm told).
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Old 03-29-2006, 19:06   #4
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The things that pisses me off is that Chief Murray pretty much nixed the idea of updating the design to have pockets on the upper sleeve so we can keep on sewing on patches on the sleeves citing that it's an Air Force tradition. Hell, transition is our tradition so why not get the stuff the PJs, TAC-P, cops and combat weathermen want and NEED on the new uniforms rather than clinging to outdated designs simply for the sake of some desk-bound poages idea of what constitutes "tradition".
Next, while anything is better than the smurf slaughter suit, is pixilated tiger-stripes really the best way to go here? "Oh but gee, it looks really cool and stuff" Really? Well, what way do shadows run in nature? Up and down right? So why are they insisting on a uniform that is polarized to that effect? There is only one reason and that the powers that be think that the air of SEALs, LRRPs and Air America stuff from Vietnam is still a cool look and want to keep it around no matter how impratical it is or how many casualties it causes simply because somebody wanted to leave their mark on air force history!
PJs, CCT, TACPs, etc. likely will not be wearing this in the field. They already sew pockets onto the shoulders of the BDUs and DCUs. Even if they wear these new non-tactical fatigues they will still modify them. They will get whatever they need to do their mission I can assure you.

Now... as to the overall process of having each of the services field their own unique uniforms... I cannot believe the SECDEF has not quashed this nonsense already. It makes no sense for two reasons.

1) Fratricide. It has always happened, and will always happen. But, we can certainly minimize it. It is bad enough our troops have to be able to recognize the different uniforms worn by our allies, but now they have to be able to tell the Army, Marine Corps, AF and Navy fatigues apart while under stress and looking down the sights of a weapon. Utterly stupid IMO.

2) Cost/Logistics. When we all wear DCUs or BDUs we only have to purchase and stock one set of uniforms. Now we have to buy smaller ammounts of each service uniform (and boots) which means more money will be spent. Additionally, the LG folks in theater have to order, track and maintain four sets of uniforms where before it was one. It's like we have all taken a giant step backwards for the sake of the services being more recognizable. I don't have a problem with the day to day garrison wear of unique uniforms (AF blues, Army puke greens, Marine/Navy khakis, charlies, etc.), but no service deploys by itself any more. We all go to war jointly... why would our battle uniforms not be standardized??
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Old 03-30-2006, 10:30   #5
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I'm an IMA at MacDill; I recall when MacDill's mil clothing and sales had a full-sized dummy wearing the blue TS uniform and it being the most horrible thing I had ever seen. A buddy of mine (former Marine) saw the uniform and was laughting so hard that everyone was staring at him.
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Old 04-01-2006, 14:07   #6
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The AF has said they designed the new uniform for the 97% of the AF that never deploys or goes in harms way.

Shows ya what the think about the other 3% that go in harms way for the AF.

It's all about armchair commandos getting medals for designing and fielding a new uniform.

Hell, the USAF is having a world wide X here and my VFD is taking part cuz the X is centered around a major intersection in our jurisdiction, but the HQ weenie that drew up the senario did not look for any imput and he not only is dead wrong how the X is designed. We have already been told we have to follow the script exactly even if it's not realistic or how we would do it in real life.

It's all about people wanting medals and looking important so they get promoted not about doing **** the right way.
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Old 04-01-2006, 15:15   #7
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What we have now is better than that smurf suit they came up with first.
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Old 04-01-2006, 16:27   #8
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What we have now is better than that smurf suit they came up with first.
So, is "better" the best way to look at this??

When the AF adopted the BDU it was the smartest way to go as all the services had the same uniform & the same thing with the DCU's.

However, now look at the mess the mc peak folowers have made of the AF uniform, what's next

I'm so glad I retired when I did, it really sucks watching the AF spirial down the tubes and turn into a blue suit corperation and not a military.
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However, now look at the mess the mc peak folowers have made of the AF uniform, what's next
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Oh my God, I was talking about General Mcpeak to my GF just yesterday. I mentioned to her the debacle regarding the Class A jacket, the goofy flight suit (with epaulets and a permanent crease/fold) and having to removing the U.S. AIR FORCE and name tags in favor of the leather aircrew-type tag.....ugh.
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Old 04-01-2006, 22:49   #10
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So, is "better" the best way to look at this??

When the AF adopted the BDU it was the smartest way to go as all the services had the same uniform & the same thing with the DCU's.

However, now look at the mess the mc peak folowers have made of the AF uniform, what's next

I'm so glad I retired when I did, it really sucks watching the AF spirial down the tubes and turn into a blue suit corperation and not a military.
I guess better is the way to look at it. Listen, I am no longer "into it", I sometimes wish I would have called it good after 8 but I am to far into it now to not go the 20. Don't get me wrong, I love what I do but the longer I am in and the more rank I get I don't see alot of things the way the military does. That said.

The Fair Force is trying hard to be the "real military", but it won't happen till us 10 years and over guys get out.

This stuff about having all of us be a M.P. and serve for base defense won't cut it for sometime. Part of the reason I joined the Air Force was because we didn't run and do P.T. test 12 years ago. That crap was for the Army, we flew and fixed planes.
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Old 04-03-2006, 05:39   #11
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Memories! LOL. McPeak was a jackass. Anyone remember why we went to V neck white t-shirts with the short sleeves? Or how about the airline jacket with NOTHING on them, save medals. That whole leather name crew debacle was so stupid and expensive. We were paying out of pocket for the BS things and the zeros would get mad because you couldn't read the da^n rank.

I started with pickle suits. They worked, especially on a flight line turning wrenches. Left the TACP world in BDUs. I can remember the excuse given for why everyone was to go to all woody BDUs - ease up on the log train (as previously mentioned, one cost, multiple services).

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Old 04-13-2006, 19:15   #12
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I guess life was easier for uniforms in the 70's. Green utilites and cammos for overseas service. I never once used my Class A.

Most of the time it was T shirt or bare chest anyway. I do remember a dark blue dress shirt with dark blue tie in the dark blue class a jacket. Kinda sexy. I never got to wear one tho. Too hot!
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Old 04-16-2006, 19:49   #13
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After 20 years service in both active and ANG I've noticed a few things.

1. "The Air Force 58 years untouched by tradition"

2. We need more than poster children with good paperwork and
test well on WAPs to run the force.

3. I wish GEN Lemay could come back and straighten this mess out.

4. Why are we getting an improved combat uniform and still are worried about looking just right.only in the AF

Everything you guys are saying is pretty much right on. I have spent my whole time as a Security Forces troop and have seen everything do a 180 and then back. The only time it wasn't a total mess was the 7 years I spent in SAC. SAC had some issues but not like the new commands or troops do. I was activated after 9/11 and got deployed to qatar and actually got approched in the chow hall when my fire team and I were eating and asked "what are you doing with all of those weapons in here" someone later complained to wing safty and we were "directed" that the M203 gunner had to leave his can of 203 rounds at the US compound checkpoint for "safty". seams this new generation was afraid they would just jump up and go off. Its funny though we can drive them in a Hummer in 130 degree heat all day getting banged around an it not go off but bring them into a chow hall and they are unstable. I think it will be an eye opener when every AMN becomes a cop.

Sorry I strayed a little from the post but really nothing surprises me in the AF anymore. I think I'm ready to retire and just remember the "good times" At least before Rumsfield does away with us for that unmaned robot force. I'm sure he'll keep a few humans around to blame when something goes wroung.
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What is that "every Airmen becomes a cop" about? I remember seeing it on the front to Air Force times but didn't really pay much attention to it and haven't heard that phrase since? I did a quick search at the af.mil and googled at and got a bucket of nothing.
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Everyone is supposed to have an action post in defense of the base, instead of hiding under their desks.

Everyone is "supposed" (yeah right) to get an M16, have it zeroed to them, etc and know how to do basic infantry tactics. Everyone is supposed to report odd stuff to us SF (like they're SUPPOSED to do already). Etc Etc.
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Whoo, this ought to be good! Lets take the med groups, CE, services and all the other Cat. C shooters out there (and looking over our 710s, there's a LOT of them) and give them weapons and expect them to do something more than fill body bags. When I first started this CATM gig, I had high expectations of the majority of shooters on my block qualifying and most of them making expert. Today, reality has set in and days I don't get lost, dazed and confused looks on shooters faces when their weapon malfunctions (and I'm standing over there yelling, "SPORTS!!! SPORTS!!!") or having a loaded weapon in the hands of shooters shakey as Parkinson's disease patients start pointing uprange is a good day.
The biggest problem (and I'll go to my grave shouting this) is Cat. C shooters qualifying only once every 3 years and the brunt of them will not touch a weapon until they qualify again in another 3 years. This is no different than going ot for a PRT test only once every 3 years, sitting behind a desk with no PT time at all then be expected to pass the PRT test 3 years later. If they really want this idea of "everyone a cop" BS to actually work, they are going to have to start training people for real rather than going to the range every 3 years or pencil-whipping their 623s!
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Everyone is supposed to have an action post in defense of the base, instead of hiding under their desks.

Everyone is "supposed" (yeah right) to get an M16, have it zeroed to them, etc and know how to do basic infantry tactics. Everyone is supposed to report odd stuff to us SF (like they're SUPPOSED to do already). Etc Etc.
I could probably deal with that without freezing up or being to scared. But they better give me lots more training. I haven't shot M16 in over 4 years. I am a AETC instructor so non mobility but even before that being an aircraft maintenance guy I only had to qualify every two years. If they want me to play army guy I want the training and I want to shoot.

As far as reporting odd stuff I haven't been to the AOR in the last few years but it seems like it gets reported home station. Hell I love finding a helping hand and watching some poor guy get held at gunpoint on the flight line. Makes me laugh everytime.
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One more thing I just thought of. I have been in for almost 13 years and never shot a weapon on burst or if equiped full auto.

My ex-wife was in high ROTC. She had fired the M-16 on auto mode.

I know auto is more of a novelty that the civilian sector wishes for because it is cool. But really if ya think about it is a little glimpse of insight into my training.

The more I think about it the more I think it won't work unless the Fair Force is ready to up weapons training. Don't go thinking I am going to just grab a gun and take up my shoot "Haji" position only shooting a weapon every two years and never on auto. Seems like a big frieking joke to me.

And to get back on track the new uniforms are ugly but at least it will save on dry cleaning.
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And to get back on track the new uniforms are ugly but at least it will save on dry cleaning.
Want to bet, when the BDU's 1st came out we were told Do NOT starch & 35-10 even said NO STARCH, but guess what the poges in high places did, they got around the no starch issue till it was removed and you put starch in you're BDU's.
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Want to bet, when the BDU's 1st came out we were told Do NOT starch & 35-10 even said NO STARCH, but guess what the poges in high places did, they got around the no starch issue till it was removed and you put starch in you're BDU's.
Your probably right, but I will be out 2 years after the mandatory wear dates so hopefully it will take at least that long.

I don't know what poges stands for but I am sure you could sub in military politician, tool, profesional volunteer, desk jockey, they probably all would work.

But we won't have to shine the boots. But like I said before, god help you when they get oily, dirty, hydraulic fluid, grease, yadaydaydya on them.
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