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Old 03-28-2006, 11:42   #1
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If you had it....

to do all over again....

What MOS?

I'm talking to a recruiter right now. I can't figure out what I'd like to do.

I'm 26 and my body feels 30. So combat arms might be a little rough on me. Not to mention I'd like to actually learn a skill that I could use when I get out....

I appreciate any advice.

Oh yeah, I've got high scores on the ASVAB, and I can get a security clearance.
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Old 03-28-2006, 16:01   #2
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26 is nowhere near to old for combat arms, I'm 29 and entered as an 11B at the age of 25. The average age in my platoon is 32. If I did it all over I still wouldn't choose anything other than infantry.
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Old 03-28-2006, 22:16   #3
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Old 03-28-2006, 23:18   #4
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Re: If you had it....

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to do all over again....

What MOS?

I'm talking to a recruiter right now. I can't figure out what I'd like to do.

I'm 26 and my body feels 30. So combat arms might be a little rough on me. Not to mention I'd like to actually learn a skill that I could use when I get out....

I appreciate any advice.

Oh yeah, I've got high scores on the ASVAB, and I can get a security clearance.
I almost went back in as a Reservist - Civil Affairs Specialist - would have lost rank (E5 to E4) and spent to much time away getting retrained.

Soooo, ended up with a new Guard unit (INF) , MOS qulaified and get to keep my rank. Have 20 years on most of the guys there , talk about OLD.
Do you have prior service or no?
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Old 04-02-2006, 23:47   #5
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I had a couple of jobs, but the one I loved the most was being a Medic. You can't really use it for pay outside the military (in this state EMT/paramedics get minimum wage or little better) but it is a skill you can always use and you get a sense of accomplishment at the end of the day. The fact that the medical corps is pretty rank heavy can be both a blessing and a curse. On average the unit is higher in rank so starting out you go up pretty quick, but you tend to stay in the E4 to E5 range for quite a while.

Being an armor was another cool assignment. This is something you can use in the "real world" but you don't earn rank very fast and the work in the military can be a bit tedious. If you love taking apart and putting back together weapons however, it can be enjoyable.
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A retired CW4 in my shop and I JUST had this discussion. I'd be a 98G Arab linguist. Make SFC in no time, get reup bonuses like nobody's business, then get out and got to work for the CIA!
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Old 04-03-2006, 07:07   #7
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What was your previous MOS?

Other than that as a formet Signal guy if I went back in I would choose and recommend

Intel field (your choice)
Military Police
Aviation (try to go flight Warrant)
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Old 04-03-2006, 09:28   #8
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I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?
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Old 04-03-2006, 11:18   #9
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fowling up your credit should kill your chances of getting a clearance, unless you're going for a gig that requires a lifestyle poly. not 100% sure on that though. the only real way is to get your credit right. start paying stuff on time; negotiate something with your creditors, stick to cash for a while and treat credit as cash. if you don't have it in the bank, don't charge it. if you've filed for banruptcy, different story.
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Old 04-03-2006, 16:03   #10
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My credit is finally all caught up. Definitely sticking to all cash for now on. But.... I had a repo about 2 years ago. From what I've been told, is that the repo alone is enough to kill my clearance chances.

I'm currently looking for a list of Army MOS jobs. But I need to know which ones do not need a security clearance so I can sit down and make an informed decision.

I don't want to get the "Infantry does not require a security clearance" speech, from the recruiter.

Nothing against our hard working ground soldiers, but it's just not for me.
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Old 04-03-2006, 19:14   #11
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The big question is what do you want to do.

Be a soldier?
Work in an office?
Have a transferable skill?

I don't knock or look down on anybodies choices but for me I could not see enlisting to be a supply clerk (unless I just needed a job).
Then again after having spent plenty of time outside I don't think I want to be a grunt again either.

Focus on your goals first. Then see what fits those goals.

My favorite was 13e (artillery fire direction controller)in the national guard. Use to shoot every drill. Not especially transferable though.
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If I could redo my Army career all over again; I would've gone as an MP first (instead of being a desk jockey Supply Clerk); serve a few years as a garisson MP, get the CID school and try real hard to have a cushy assignment as a PSD for a 2 or 3 star, travelling wherever he goes.

I like my current MOS (31 Bravo)too damn much.
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Old 04-03-2006, 22:37   #13
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I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?
It is not unheard of to have such booboo's waved. In this day and age the Army is in dire need of recruits.


I would say be a mechanic. There are a lot of perks and the pay as a civilian doing the same thing after Army training is in the six figures for some. I'm a 63A K4, getting out soon, and have been hired by Honeywell (the company who makes the turbines) for a really nice job. I'll even have the chance to go to Iraq or Kuwait as a feild rep. The money is more a year than I've made in the Army in the last 4.
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Be careful of picking an MOS based solely on your ability to transfer the skill to the civilian world. Whatever you select, that's what you're going to spend the next 4-8 years doing, and if it's not something that excites or interests you, you're going to be miserable.

I was an enlisted infantryman for 10 years, and an infantry officer for 4. Four of my best friends, infantrymen all, are making good livings now, 6 figures (and in one case, 7) after having gotten out. NONE of those three are using any concrete skill they learned as infantrymen in their careers.

I'm not trying to sell the infantry here (I'm sure your recruiter is doing that!) just pointing out that it's possible to serve, get out, and make a great living, REGARDLESS of your MOS choice.

I'm in the Adjutant General's Corps now. I find the work very rewarding-helping soldiers, though it's certainly not as glorious as making HALO jumps in the Ranger battalion!
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I went into the Army with a guarantee for Infantry and thought that I would surely be an 11B. I ended up being made into an 11H, which wasn't an entirely bad thing. I still got to go to Airborne School, then served in a Mech Unit (yuck!), got myself into the 82d Airborne Division and then Ranger School. After 6 1/2 years total, I was finally mature enough to handle the "real" world.

I said all of that to qualify what I'm going to say now. The Infantry doesn't offer a specific job skill that can be easily transferred to a civilian job like being a dental tech would or a heavy equipment operator. But what it does give you is leadership and interpersonal skills that will serve you well for the rest of your life in whatever field you choose post military. I own my own business and do pretty well even though I only have a high school diploma and a few college classes. I attribute much of my success to my time in the Army. Whatever MOS you choose, apply yourself, attend any school or additional training that is offered to you, stay sharp mentally, physically and in appearance - and you will not fail in the military or otherwise in life.
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Old 04-06-2006, 16:38   #16
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I'm so ticked off... It's my own fault though so i can only be mad at myself.

I can't get a security clearance. I have pretty much fowled up my credit. Until I found this out I was looking at being Military Police.

So any help guys? I can't seem to find a "list" of jobs for the Army on the internet that do not require a security clearance...

Any sugestions?
you should be able to get a secret, maybe even a top secret. Bad credit will be more of an issue if you need an SSBI done. It isn't your recruiter's job to tell you what MOS you can't get based on your credit, let the investigator worry about that when you do your PSSP screening at MEPS. Have copies of all of your financial paperwork and show that you are responsible and taking care of your debt. I knew people in the army with me who had defaulted on student loads and filed bankruptcy but they had TS/SCI and lifestyle poly. so it is possible.

try usmilitary.about.com, they have pretty long lists of what MOSes are out there.

I was in the infantry for 2 years in the reserves and when I went on active duty I changed MOSes over to Intelligence. I spent 8 years on active duty. As your recruiter about the 98XL enlistment option if you want to go into intelligence. They are always understrength in that MOS. I'm sure Chinese will be popular for years to come. There are entire websites devoted to recruiting people just because they have a clearance (example: https://secure.clearancejobs.com/).

I had a great time in Intelligence, got to do some fun stuff, work with some cool things and people, and I had good experience to get into jobs after the military.

HOWEVER, my personal philosophy is if you join the military, do something military. Jump out of planes, drive a tank, blow stuff up, etc. If you want a crappy job with long hours, low pay, adn some career training there are plenty of those with not as much danger involved. And as rewarding as it is... there is a considerable level of suck involved with military life. So if you join for the wrong reason, you could be setting yourself up for a pretty miserable existence over the next 4 - 6 years.

I would have stayed in the infantry. I took MI because they told me I wouldn't be able to get Airborne or RIP in my contract since they counted me as 'prior service'. The big incentive the offered me at MEPS was that they would send me to 8th ID in germany... I knew enough to stay away from that!


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would you do it over again?

Sometimes the jobs just happen to to you and you may not have any say in the matter.
I did 4 years Regular Army as a medic serving 12 months in Sinop Turkey. Nothing exciting happened, no grand opportunities came my way and every time I volunteered for something I was declined. Mission essential.
I next spent 6 yrs in the Fl NG while going to college. Nothing happened. Local civilians treated the Guard like a joke and we were reminded that we would NEVER go anywhere or do anything.
Graduated with my Physician Assistant and went to the Army recruiter.
Full up he said, so I went Air Force. One half my unit went to Rihyad while the rest did double duty.
Clinton came along and stripped us bare so I joined the Federal Bureau of Prisons. Get to treat illegal MS-13 gang members instead of soldiers. Never went anywhere or fought any enemy. Wrong place and bad timing, I feel like I trained for the big game then sat on the bench for nearly 20 yrs. Now I get to see females on armed patrols, something that was unheard of even 10 yrs ago.
If I had it to do over I would say to hell with trying to help people and picked another MOS.
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Old 04-06-2006, 19:17   #18
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You guys are giving me great advice. I really do appreciate it.
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Old 04-08-2006, 22:34   #19
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The specific question "if I had it to do over again,,"

I would go E.O.D. I dont' thnk you can enlist for it initally but have to volunteer (not sure though).
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If you can just do two years sign up for supply, or some basic job, then look at other jobs.

Combat arms can be easy, and has the best protection. For OIF I/II I saw the new Army, and everyone has to be ready to do a grunts job, but the Infantry gets the best weapons.

See about being a Tanker, Arty, or a Cav Scout. They are combat arms, but much easyer than Infantry.

I did 12 years as active duty Infantry (11B/11C/11M/11H.......) While I liked Light Infantry best, doing Mech Inf work was fun too.

One nice thing about the Infantry that I liked was many weekends off and many 4 day weekends (Heck spent a lot of time just cleaning weapons in the barracks while watching movies or resting). Other jobs had to work weekends. We play hard, and part hard (but I hear some of that has changed).

I got out of the Military and went into Law Enforcement, my Infantry skills have done me well.

I have worked as a M.P. and a Cav Scout (While being Infantry) and they seem fun at times.
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