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Old 05-11-2006, 06:03   #1
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Practical Shotgun Classes

I am in correspondence with Mr. Kurt A. Miller, one of the winningest 3 Gun Competition shooters in the US and in Europe. He is a very accomplished shotgun shooter. He has been receiving a lot of requests to teach abroad.

Is there anybody out there who is interested in joining these 2 day or more seminar if done here in the Philippines? I have coursed the idea to the PPSA prexy and I still do not have any details yet. If interested, please sound off.

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Old 05-11-2006, 07:39   #2
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Of course we're interested, but the one million dollar question is: How much will it cost?
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Old 05-12-2006, 01:10   #3
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Definitely interested. If it will push through, sign up at least 4 people (3 friends and I).
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Old 05-12-2006, 05:59   #4
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I have talked to Engr. Francisco "Boy" Banaag, PPSA Area Director for Luzon. We shall wait for guidance from the said association and once we have worked out the details, then I'll post it on the forum. I still don't know yet how much is the tuition fee for said classes. this will still be for quite sometime from now, yet.
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Old 05-12-2006, 08:26   #5
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Am interested to join, sir kamelot, though i've got no shotgun yet. BTW, can you recommend what type of scattergun should i get, pump? or semi-auto? am planning to buy one this coming gun show (july?) and my brand of choice is either hatsan or akkar (kuripot ako,hehehe!)
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Old 05-12-2006, 22:32   #6
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ayos yan Sir..kung matapat na vacation ako , ill join.
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Old 05-13-2006, 04:21   #7
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Am interested to join, sir kamelot, though i've got no shotgun yet. BTW, can you recommend what type of scattergun should i get, pump? or semi-auto? am planning to buy one this coming gun show (july?) and my brand of choice is either hatsan or akkar (kuripot ako,hehehe!)
royal glockster,

any shotgun that suits your budget is fine. I've had the chance to use a hatsan - it's quite good...so is the Akkar (The bronze medallist in the recent PNSA qualifers used a Hatsan. He also won 2nd place in the Bali International Shotgun Competition using an Armscor Pump).

I've had the chance to use an Armscor pump in several competitions and I was good at it - again it's a case of "it's the singer not the song". It really depends on the shooter. The latter SG has readily available parts. The Remington 870 P has proven itself in Vietnam. A lot of LEO swear by the Mossberg. I've used the Remington 1100 and 1187 - both have very manageable recoil. The Benelli packs a wallop but for me it's a darling.

I suggest you try several kinds at the range (request the owner if you can try a few rounds with their SG and tell them you intend to buy a SG for your own). Use good ammo, though. Most will frown if you told them you're using reloaded ammo and may not let you shoot with their scatterguns.
Don't be afraid to ask questions. I know most of the REAL shooters are very helpful. I hope your "journey" is a pleasant one.
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Old 05-14-2006, 07:18   #8
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tHanks sir kamelot for the valuable advice. Ok rin po ba sa practical shotgun ang may pistol grip? I've seen one at Twin Pines, FABARM ang brand. tHE price is about php35k.
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Old 05-15-2006, 02:26   #9
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I'd be interested. sana affordable yung price.
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Old 05-15-2006, 04:58   #10
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I'll keep a tab for those interested in the classes. I myself will be the number one to enroll in his classes.I'll write to all that responded once I hear word from PPSA.

I'm not for pistol grips (again it's just me talking). First, I'd have a difficult time fast reloading with it. And secondly, a lot have been mentioned about it causing some malfunctions (on the Benelli at least)causing it to burp when shooting fast during competitions. The world renown Taran Butler (one of the gods of 3 Gun Conmpetition) has a pistol grip on his Benelli, though.
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Old 05-19-2006, 03:57   #11
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I have just talked to the PPSA President Mr. Rommel Cabungcal and he was quite open to the idea of the Shotgun Seminar. I am just working out the details with Mr. Kurt Miller of his program re: topics covered, needs, number of students, fees, and other requirements. I'll post for more particulars.
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Old 05-23-2006, 16:37   #12
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ill attend if im free. want to know more about shot guns. who knows i might get one this july sa gun show.
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Old 06-07-2006, 22:25   #13
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Course Content

This will be the areas of study:

For a 2 day seminar:
1. Patterning
2. slug zero
3. Proper stance and recoil control
4. Proper hand position for off hand and forced positions
5. Basic loading techniques( this includes flip and burn, and an introduction into weakhand loading)
6. shotgun handling and some stage reading
These are somewhat shooting intensive as he believes in pleanty of live fire.

For 3 days:
3 day courses build on the above, but really cover shooting on the move, high speed shooting and vision ( for lack of a better word ) and advanced loading techniques. Also a bit on shotgun modifications for full on racing.

I'm still working out the details like dates,requirements, and most imoportantly tuition fees.
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thanks for the update Kamelot.

Could you comment or any Bogs on the availability of the 20g is it easy to get there, pro's and cons please.

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thanks for the update Kamelot.

Could you comment or any Bogs on the availability of the 20g is it easy to get there, pro's and cons please.

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20g is not common here, the armscor shells in 20g performs unsatisfactorily.
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Old 06-10-2006, 07:15   #16
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ok ..i guess i have to eliminate the 20g on my list of to have.
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Old 06-10-2006, 18:28   #17
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the case for the small bore

Toxic,

Sorry but I'm not familiar with the 20G. I've seen it used in Sporting Clays by some of our Olympians I know. It's also been used by some hunters I know personally. They don't use locally made ammo (by Armscor). I guess that's why cebuboy says it's unreliable.

According to Bob Brister, its shots spreads out similar to a 12 Ga (but only at certain distances). You also have to consider the kind of ammo you're using. Other factors come to play. Realize though that you have more shot load for the 12 Ga .

Be cautioned however that you might mistake the 20G ammo and insert it in a 12 Ga. this would spell disaster. The other shotgunners have better input on this topic than I can give.

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the practical shotgun Classes MIGHT be a no go due to financial constraints. for those still interested, pls. pm me.
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Old 06-10-2006, 19:51   #18
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Anybody local who can give a good short seminar on using shotguns? I 've never had shotgun training, I just blast away. Maybe there are others like me interested in a local "mainly-for-novices" shotgun seminar.
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Old 06-11-2006, 04:37   #19
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< antediluvianist Anybody local who can give a good short seminar on using shotguns? I 've never had shotgun training, I just blast away. Maybe there are others like me interested in a local "mainly-for-novices" shotgun seminar. >

+1.... preferably with lots of on-range lecture/demo/hands-on lesson time
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Old 06-11-2006, 07:00   #20
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Re: the case for the small bore

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Toxic,

Sorry but I'm not familiar with the 20G. I've seen it used in Sporting Clays by some of our Olympians I know. It's also been used by some hunters I know personally. They don't use locally made ammo (by Armscor). I guess that's why cebuboy says it's unreliable.

According to Bob Brister, its shots spreads out similar to a 12 Ga (but only at certain distances). You also have to consider the kind of ammo you're using. Other factors come to play. Realize though that you have more shot load for the 12 Ga .

Be cautioned however that you might mistake the 20G ammo and insert it in a 12 Ga. this would spell disaster. The other shotgunners have better input on this topic than I can give.

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the practical shotgun Classes MIGHT be a no go due to financial constraints. for those still interested, pls. pm me.
ah ok, iam just looking for options , ive tried my friends 12g its quite long and heavy for a small guy like me (average pinoy)..then again its a matter of getting used to it..
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