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Old 09-22-2006, 21:04   #1
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Back from basic with some problems (long)

I just got back from Ft Benning on a State Recall (national guard) since my wife sent a red cross message. I'd like to hear what you guys think about what happened with my wife.

I left monday the 4th and my wife fell down the steps at our apartment on friday the 8th. She broke her arm and and knuckles on her left side. She also tore something in her shoulder.

She was supposed to be covered by tricare but wasn't in the system so she was turned away from the base hospital. She went to my guard armory to family services and they said she was SOL and couldn't get into the system there. She gave up and went to our county hospital since she had no insurance.

The doctors there said she needed pins in her arm but they referred her to an orthopedist. Well, since she didn't have insurance and didn't have the money to see the doc she was sol again.

She called the red cross and they said they needed the doc from the orthopedist to write something up. No $$ no doc to write letter. She did give the red cross her hospital paperwork but they said they couldn't get the message to me because i was in training.

She went to the armory again and they said i was SOL and that my recruiter told my future First Sergeant that we were getting a divorce and that my wife was having an affair with my recruiter. So they wouldn't get me a message because of "marital problems".

Now while all this was going on, Family services told my wife I wasn't getting paid until Dec 1st. She only had $300 in savings after paying $900 for her hospital bill. My wife started freaking out. They then told her to stay at the local shelter and go to catholic charities if she needed food and diapers until she can get better and get back to work or until i get out of Basic.

This happened friday and saturday. I called my parents sunday and found out from my dad that my wife fell and got hurt. I told him to start the red cross message so i can get home and take care of my family but he told me they've been trying with no luck. I told my processing Sgt about the situation and he called my wife to also told him that the red cross will not send the message since i was in training. My sgt took me to the Natinal Guard Liason who said my wife should have been covered from the 4th and that i will get paid on oct 1st. They fast tracked me through finance then deers to get her medical coverage to her.

I faxed everything to my wife to get her to the hospital but they denied her for a little while. After she finally got in, one doc said her arm was broken, then another doc said she was fine and nothings broke. But for some reason my wife overheard the second doc talking to someone from the armory.

my wife called my old boss who activated our insurance and she then got our childrens doc to write something up so that the redcross message can be activated.


Now i'm back and seems like everything is fine now but i feel let down by my recruiter, my rsp sgt, my future unit fsgt, Family services, the base hospital, and the red cross.

My wife wants me to quit and I don't blame her. My motivation is shot to hell. My wife is definitly writing her letters to our state government.

what do you guys think?
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Old 09-23-2006, 07:49   #2
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As a current Army Drill Sergeant who deal with Soldiers in training and their MONUMENTAL personal problems on a daily basis, I can tell you that there are a lot of holes in your story. First and foremost, the Red Cross will always send the message, ESPECIALLY to a Soldier in training, brecause many times that is the only way for family to contact a Private. It sounds to me like you were "compelled" to leave basic training. That is essentially what a "State Recall" is. If a Soldier is not meeting the minimum standards, the National Guard will recall the Soldier instead of discharging them. They do this to give the unit a chance to work with the individual on their shortcomings and send them at a later date to give Basic Training another try. This is no doubt a recruiting and retention strategy for the National Guard. You were probably recalled before your proper dependant applications were processed and the benefits started. Because you are not Active Duty, you are only entitled to full benefits for the time you are in training on "Active" status. The minute you are released from taining, everything stops. The whole recruiter telling your 1SG about your wife and an affair is all heresay Bull S#!t and I don't believe a word of it. It sounds as if someone on your end in not being entirely truthful. Don't be suprised, I see it all the time. What would your wife had done if she were injured before or after your "nine weeks"( the length of Army Basic Training) of benefits coverage? Did you have insurance from your civilian job, I am sure you had one before you took a leave of absence to attend training, which by law, would have had to been held until you returned? Most people who join the National Guard have jobs and careers in the civilian sector, and want to serve their country and community as well. I fail to see how it is the Army's fault YOU did not take care of your family. I get the feeling you only told us a small part of the story. From my experience, it is likely you had most of these personal and financial problems before you went to basic training, and thought a few weeks on active duty would sort them out. Well, you found out otherwise. I do not mean to be crass, but I get tired of someone with very little exposure to the Army, bash my organization when they do not have the knowledge or the facts about the issue at hand. Tricare does have a claims, and a claims appeals process. go to their website www.tricare.osd.mil and get the info you need. If you were entitled to the benefits you say you were denied, they will square you away. If you have you ducks in a row, you can get congressional help as well. Good Luck

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Old 09-23-2006, 09:03   #3
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the Red Cross will always send the message, ESPECIALLY to a Soldier in training, brecause many times that is the only way for family to contact a Private.
Well someone in the redcross didn't seem to get that memo since 4 different people tried to get the message to me.

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If a Soldier is not meeting the minimum standards, the National Guard will recall the Soldier instead of discharging them.
not true, as 2 other state recalls were for family emergencies also.

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You were probably recalled before your proper dependant applications were processed and the benefits started. Because you are not Active Duty, you are only entitled to full benefits for the time you are in training on "Active" status. The minute you are released from taining, everything stops
I was recalled after fully inprocessed, benifits started from the 4th and ended when i outprocessed last week friday.

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The whole recruiter telling your 1SG about your wife and an affair is all heresay Bull S#!t and I don't believe a word of it. It sounds as if someone on your end in not being entirely truthful. Don't be suprised, I see it all the time.
Well since my mom took a day off from work to drive my wife around, she also heard this so called bulls*!t


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What would your wife had done if she were injured before or after your "nine weeks"( the length of Army Basic Training) of benefits coverage? Did you have insurance from your civilian job, I am sure you had one before you took a leave of absence to attend training, which by law, would have had to been held until you returned?
My job was held but everything was suspended ,including insurance, while i was at training and was reinstated when i came back to work.


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I fail to see how it is the Army's fault YOU did not take care of your family. I get the feeling you only told us a small part of the story. From my experience, it is likely you had most of these personal and financial problems before you went to basic training, and thought a few weeks on active duty would sort them out. Well, you found out otherwise.
I guess my wife should have not broken her arm and spent our savings on her medical bills AFTER i left for basic. We did have a budget but Then being told wrong information by the armory about me getting paid dec 1st, to go to a shelter with our kids because my wife couldn't support our family only on her paychecks, is that the kind of responce you'd expect from them? and about how they will not have benifits because i was in training. so who bs'ed who?

You are speaking as a Drill Segeant who see's a boat load of *****. But sometimes the ***** could be legit.
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Old 09-23-2006, 13:40   #4
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I dont really understand the whole situation but about the health care, as a guardsman I do not think you are entitled to medical care, unless you were deployed.

I know it can be tough but I think some savings and medical care should have been squared away before you left.
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Old 09-23-2006, 13:46   #5
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Well someone in the redcross didn't seem to get that memo since 4 different people tried to get the message to me.



not true, as 2 other state recalls were for family emergencies also.



I was recalled after fully inprocessed, benifits started from the 4th and ended when i outprocessed last week friday.



Well since my mom took a day off from work to drive my wife around, she also heard this so called bulls*!t




My job was held but everything was suspended ,including insurance, while i was at training and was reinstated when i came back to work.




I guess my wife should have not broken her arm and spent our savings on her medical bills AFTER i left for basic. We did have a budget but Then being told wrong information by the armory about me getting paid dec 1st, to go to a shelter with our kids because my wife couldn't support our family only on her paychecks, is that the kind of responce you'd expect from them? and about how they will not have benifits because i was in training. so who bs'ed who?

You are speaking as a Drill Segeant who see's a boat load of *****. But sometimes the ***** could be legit.
This reply is the reason you will be a private forever. You asked what someone thought but when you got an answer you did not like you argued it. Your response came from a knowledgeable individual. I had some of the same advice for you. I would think your wife is possibly doing the bs'n right now or is over reacting as to what was said to her. Don't feel bad if the dog sneezes the world is gonna end according to my wife. As far as the redcross goes. They have the system perfected for notifying families overseas, Georgia would be very easy for them if the proper channels were followed by your family. Someone dropped the ball.

As far as medical treatment. Your wife cannot be denied a medically necessary treatment or surgery because of no insurance, if she was truely denied that sue them it is open and shut. I have to agree with the Drill Sarn't here, Lots of holes. You, PVT, have been kept in the dark or misled.
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Old 09-23-2006, 16:49   #6
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So i guess my wife, mom, dad, close friends are all lying to me? Even my current employer was in on it too. how would you explain that?

the only advise given was about the claims and claims appeal process, the rest basically bashed everything i stated. I'm not allowed to respond to that?

If there are holes in my story like you said, what are they? i'll get my wife to respond since i keep getting the same responce from everyone.
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Old 09-23-2006, 19:43   #7
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The doctors there said she needed pins in her arm but they referred her to an orthopedist. Well, since she didn't have insurance and didn't have the money to see the doc she was sol again.
I have to call BS on that. If there was a Fx that needed pins, number one she would not be denied medical treatment even by a specialist for lack of insurance. IT IS AGAINST THE LAW!!!! Also later you say there is a disagreement as too if it was even broke. Sorry bub but if an ER doc says it might need pinned if is an obvious Fx.

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She was supposed to be covered by tricare but wasn't in the system so she was turned away from the base hospital.
I worked in a Military Hospital. They do not turn people away if they come in there. Unless something has changed.

So was it broke, did she need surgery?

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She went to the armory again and they said i was SOL and that my recruiter told my future First Sergeant that we were getting a divorce and that my wife was having an affair with my recruiter. So they wouldn't get me a message because of "marital problems".
Why in the hell would a US Army 1SG pull something like this. Hell marital problems will get you a Red Cross msg alone. And an accusation like that by your recruiter against himself. I am sorry but after 10 years in the Military and a deployment in OIF I have heard all the excuses and all the reasons in the world. Either your wife got cold feet about you being gone or you wanted out. Go back and finish your training. And if you do not have enough of a support network to take care of your wife for a simple broken arm then you need to get out.

That would make my day as an NCOIC deployed to combat. I lost PVT Whoever because his wife fell down and go boom. Now I am minus a Soldier because he had to go and baby her. Feel free to put her on to defend you. I am finished with this because I feel it is a bunch of BS. Go back and finish your training.
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Old 09-24-2006, 04:18   #8
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As a current Army Drill Sergeant who deal with Soldiers in training and their MONUMENTAL personal problems on a daily basis, I can tell you that there are a lot of holes in your story. First and foremost, the Red Cross will always send the message, ESPECIALLY to a Soldier in training, brecause many times that is the only way for family to contact a Private. It sounds to me like you were "compelled" to leave basic training. That is essentially what a "State Recall" is. If a Soldier is not meeting the minimum standards, the National Guard will recall the Soldier instead of discharging them. They do this to give the unit a chance to work with the individual on their shortcomings and send them at a later date to give Basic Training another try. This is no doubt a recruiting and retention strategy for the National Guard. You were probably recalled before your proper dependant applications were processed and the benefits started. Because you are not Active Duty, you are only entitled to full benefits for the time you are in training on "Active" status. The minute you are released from taining, everything stops. The whole recruiter telling your 1SG about your wife and an affair is all heresay Bull S#!t and I don't believe a word of it. It sounds as if someone on your end in not being entirely truthful. Don't be suprised, I see it all the time. What would your wife had done if she were injured before or after your "nine weeks"( the length of Army Basic Training) of benefits coverage? Did you have insurance from your civilian job, I am sure you had one before you took a leave of absence to attend training, which by law, would have had to been held until you returned? Most people who join the National Guard have jobs and careers in the civilian sector, and want to serve their country and community as well. I fail to see how it is the Army's fault YOU did not take care of your family. I get the feeling you only told us a small part of the story. From my experience, it is likely you had most of these personal and financial problems before you went to basic training, and thought a few weeks on active duty would sort them out. Well, you found out otherwise. I do not mean to be crass, but I get tired of someone with very little exposure to the Army, bash my organization when they do not have the knowledge or the facts about the issue at hand. Tricare does have a claims, and a claims appeals process. go to their website www.tricare.osd.mil and get the info you need. If you were entitled to the benefits you say you were denied, they will square you away. If you have you ducks in a row, you can get congressional help as well. Good Luck

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Old 09-25-2006, 14:30   #9
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I have no first hand knowledge and neither do you. We were not there - period.

Paperwork is always screwed up but can be fixed.

Red Cross is usally fantastic about getting the word to the soldier. If it is legit that is. Could have been the local rep there (?) or .....

Everything else as stated already.

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Got to agree with the Sergeant. Someone on your end is very confused. If you are poor and cannot afford insurance, you should look into the Medicaid program for civilians.
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Well you seem to know all your answers so I don't know why you bothered to ask us. I totally agree with the Drill Sergeant.
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If there are holes in my story like you said, what are they? i'll get my wife to respond since i keep getting the same responce from everyone.
TIC TOC, Still waiting for your answers Private. I did my part now show some integrety and answer the questions.
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i was going to let my wife post but seems like you are on a warpath instead of finding out the truth since you already know your truth. why submit my wife to more hatefull ***** since in your eyes it didn't happen and don't care if it did. She has already written letters to the governor and senators.
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So what your saying is that you are called out and you give up. I think you are gonna be surprised with the response you are gonna get from the state level. They have heard the BS before and I hope you know that when you start a Congressional investigation it will stay with you for your whole career. Better hope and pray they find in your favor. Or I guess you just want out of the military. I feel sorry for you if you are letting your wife make your decision about the military for you. I made that mistake, one that i am correcting right now, AND YOU WILL REGRET IT! But once you get out like this you will not be allowed to get back in. Good luck to you. Oh yeah, You told me to tell you where the holes are and you would have your wife respond to them. You still reply with more BS. Still waiting. This is not looking to good for you right now. So was the arm broken and needed surgery or not.
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i was going to let my wife post but seems like you are on a warpath instead of finding out the truth since you already know your truth. why submit my wife to more hatefull ***** since in your eyes it didn't happen and don't care if it did. She has already written letters to the governor and senators.
After reading this thread, I'm calling BS.

Handling Trainee emergencies and Red Cross notifications is part of the daily routine for all training units. Message traffic is logged at both ends of the phone/fax/E mail. The Training Command holds everyone's feet to the fire if real emergencies aren't handled appropriately, or actionable contact isn't responded to in a timely manner. Your case isn't any different than the dozens of others each week at any post.

Time to move on. If you've had problems this early on, you're going to implode when deployed for 1+ years with very limited family contact and no possibility to get home quickly.

My $0.02, from 21 years in-
You're going to have a chip on your shoulder about this for a while. You and the US Army would both be best served if you apply for a trainee status discharge.

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This is the Mrs.'s, first I like to thank all of you with your responses. However, I dont agree with a lot that was written about it all being BS. * * * * * happens, it didnt mean to end up this way, but did. The way things were handled with our home state was a disaster every way around it! The redcross at one point told me " We see these situations everday" referring to what was going on with me. As to if my arm is broken, it is! We will not know for sure the surgery status until the MRI results get back. Though a lot of you dont seem to believe any of this happened, is very upsetting. Was I suppose to know I was going to end up with a broken arm after my husband was shipped? I highly doubt it.As for the future its left to be un answered. I did however loose a lot of respect for our states NG unit after all this went down! Dont get me wrong Im not trying to bash the military in general, I am only referring to my state and how they reacted in time of need, was not called for, I believe. And it's definitely not something I can say Im proud about my husband serving in at this point!
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This is the Mrs.'s, first I like to thank all of you with your responses. However, I dont agree with a lot that was written about it all being BS.
Just an opinion from those of us that have BTDT and heard every excuse in the book to get outta training/deployments.

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* * * * * happens, it didnt mean to end up this way, but did. The way things were handled with our home state was a disaster every way around it! The redcross at one point told me " We see these situations everday" referring to what was going on with me. As to if my arm is broken, it is! We will not know for sure the surgery status until the MRI results get back. Though a lot of you dont seem to believe any of this happened, is very upsetting.
The reason the red cross told you that is because it was not a reason for him to leave training. Sounds to me like you have a fracture and the surgery aspect is for some sort of injury other than the bone injury and not truely a medical emergency. I see Medical emergencies every day, true ones. Not to play down your pain or discomfort, but a fx arm is not an emergency unless blood flow has been disrupted. That in my opinion is why the red cross said what they did.


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Was I suppose to know I was going to end up with a broken arm after my husband was shipped? I highly doubt it.As for the future its left to be un answered. I did however loose a lot of respect for our states NG unit after all this went down! Dont get me wrong Im not trying to bash the military in general, I am only referring to my state and how they reacted in time of need, was not called for, I believe. And it's definitely not something I can say Im proud about my husband serving in at this point!
LMAO!!!!! You found out the military does not revolve around what you want. Your husband signed a contract, therefor you did also. That contract is not a fairweather contract. I know of a local spouse that just had a baby, her husband is in Iraq and guess what, the goverment said he would be home when the deployment was over. This is where I hope to hell that the state does not release him from his contract. I hope they send him back to training at the earliest date possible. It would do some good for both of you. Get over it. Adapt, Improvise, and Overcome. Also do not leave your husband thinking shoulda, coulda, woulda when he thinks about the military.

As far as suppport you cannot tell me you have no family to help out while you heal. OK I am gonna stop before the NCO comes back out and I get really pissed off.
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I belive that the medical benifits begin after 30days of active duty, that would start the day that you shipped out from MEPS, pretty much the day you did your 2nd swear in. Also, the pay system could have been messed up, but as you found out it started Oct 1.

Far as the redcross message, next time you need to have your family members go directly to the red cross to send a message. You dont always get sent home for all red cross messages. Its to contact you so you know whats going on.

Also your wife should have been enroled in the Deers system, thats up to you to make sure your family and dependents are taken care of.

Far as a hosiptal rejecting your wife for emergency treatment, that was agaisnt the law, and should file a report about that. I have had person who was rejected after a spider bite swelled her arm pretty bad, I told her to go back to that hospital, and explain that she needed to be seen, and not to reject her for emergency treatment because of a lack of health insurance. Guess what she was treated and released.

You need to come up with a better family care plan, in your absence, also does your natinal guard unit have a family readiness group? Your wife needs to meet the other spouses, incase she needs some assistance while you are away.

You have to be patient for things sometimes it the Army, somethings take a little while to start rolling.
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I am not a DS, Just a Vet that saw BS. He sounds like alot of the BS I heard while deployed for OIF and I am tired of hearing it. You sign up, you do your time, the military comes before your family and you need to have a family care plan and not go crying to get out of it when things do not go how you planned.
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