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Old 10-07-2006, 20:34   #1
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Enrile's bill

Anti Terror Bill = Nakakatakot daw sabi sa radyo mas grabe pa sa martial law ni makoy... Mga pre maski dito sa tate na aabuse yan eh dian pa kaya?
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Old 10-08-2006, 06:52   #2
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Do you have any links to the proposed bill? What are its provisions?
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Old 10-08-2006, 08:10   #3
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What are the provisions in it anyway? The public should know. It has been very common for legislators to simply put a good law and yet insert several provisions that were to simply hamper liberty among its people. I believe the gov't is gearing towards providing the executive branch more police/ military power.
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Old 10-08-2006, 08:51   #4
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As long as you don't break any laws, I guess you'll be fine even if the terror bill would become law.

It will only target terrorists as the law implies. Even the president and lawmakers wouldn't mess with it by inserting certain provisions that would be disadvantageous to the people. They know very well that if they do this, it would be their downfall.

Just like the National ID System. It was never implemented because the leftists and cause-oriented groups rallied against it. It could have been a very convenient ID for Filipinos. You didn't have to bring a bunch of ID to different government agencies for instance, to register, vote; license your vehicle, business or firearm.
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Old 10-08-2006, 08:58   #5
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I've been trying to find the draft bill on the Senate web site, but I haven't had any luck.

I was able to find this news article in a past issue of PDI. Below are some highlights from the article...take it with a grain of salt:

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...HB 4839 defines acts of terrorism and gives security officials powers to arrest suspects without court warrants and to hold them for several days without charge.

Though the bill recommended Draconian steps, opposition lawmakers had succeeded in setting aside the death penalty as punishment for deadly terror attacks, managing to have it substituted with a life term.

The bill also seeks to increase the number of crimes for which authorities could apply for court permission to tap telephones.

It also seeks to punish offenses as conspiracy or proposal to commit terrorism, inciting to terrorism and acts that facilitate, contribute to or promote terrorism.
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Old 10-09-2006, 05:22   #6
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You never know Isuzu. I maybe watching too much movies and call it conspiracy theory. The nation has gone thru martial law before and history has a tendency to repeat itself sometimes.
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Old 10-09-2006, 10:24   #7
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You never know Isuzu. I maybe watching too much movies and call it conspiracy theory. The nation has gone thru martial law before and history has a tendency to repeat itself sometimes.
Could be possible, but the people won't be fooled this time. Magkagulo na yan pag na implement ang martial law ulit. Marcos took us by surprise last time. The goverment will have everything to lose if they decide to implement it again.
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Old 10-09-2006, 11:30   #8
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This might help.

http://www.senate.gov.ph/committee_reports/cterpt34.pdf
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Old 10-09-2006, 12:07   #9
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People,

Remember Oplan Sagittarius - of which Enrile himself was part of and eventually rebelled against.

He should know what this kind of power leads to.

Never again.

The solution is not to curtail freedoms but to arm the people against terrorism !!

The solution to terrorism is to change the Constitution of the Philippines to make the right to bear arms a right, not a privilege, like the 2nd amendment of the US.

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The solution to terrorism is to change the Constitution of the Philippines to make the right to bear arms a right, not a privilege, like the 2nd amendment of the US.
The big question though is: would the Filipino be mature enough to protect this right if given to him?

I'm amenable to the right to keep and bear arms as long as the Filipino has the maturity to protect this right.
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The big question though is: would the Filipino be mature enough to protect this right if given to him?
There is only one way to find out.
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Old 10-10-2006, 02:46   #12
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The big question though is: would the Filipino be mature enough to protect this right if given to him?
We Filipinos are mature enough but lack self dicipline to obey the law and the drive for strict implementation of any law back home.

Majority of Filipinos who migrate or work abroad follow the laws of thier host country without any reservation , now why cant we abide by our own laws "kase we can get away with it". Now if these laws are well implemented with the strict punishment possible , i think there's light at the end of the tunnel .

They say "no one is above the law" well(sad to say) if you got connections, money and the media on your side "You are the LAW".

its just the way i see it.
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We Filipinos are mature enough but lack self dicipline to obey the law and the drive for strict implementation of any law back home.

Majority of Filipinos who migrate or work abroad follow the laws of thier host country without any reservation , now why cant we abide by our own laws "kase we can get away with it". Now if these laws are well implemented with the strict punishment possible , i think there's light at the end of the tunnel .

They say "no one is above the law" well(sad to say) if you got connections, money and the media on your side "You are the LAW".

its just the way i see it.
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It's news items like this one that make people more open to the idea of passing a draconian anti-terrorism bill: http://newsinfo.inq7.net/inquirerhea...ticle_id=26190

Fourth blast in 2 days rocks South

By Inquirer Mindanao
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Last updated 03:48am (Mla time) 10/12/2006

Published on Page A1 of the October 12, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

COTABATO CITY -- An explosive device went off yesterday at a shop in Cotabato City but caused no injuries a day after two blasts left at least six people dead and several dozen wounded, police said. A fourth bomb was dismantled.

Police blamed the incidents on the al-Qaeda-linked Jemaah Islamiyah and guerrillas of the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF).

All the six fatalities were the result of a bombing at Makilala town in North Cotabato province on Tuesday. Authorities corrected an earlier report that the Makilala blast killed 12 people.

The violence came hours after the US, Australian and British embassies issued warnings against travel to Mindanao and said the threat of imminent attacks or kidnappings was high, specifically in places frequented by foreigners.

In Manila, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo said the government “will make sure the perpetrators are hunted down and brought to justice.”

She also instructed officials to contact the MILF to assist in the identification and arrest of the bombers. The rebels, who are engaged in peace talks with the government, have denied any terrorism links, but there are concerns some guerrilla elements may be cooperating with militants.

Senior Inspector Samson Obatay, city police spokesperson, said yesterday’s attack occurred here at around 11:45 a.m. near a bank and a shopping mall. “Nobody was injured,” he said.

He said an attendant of Today’s Commercial Store along Don Rufino Alonzo Street saw a man who left a bag near their establishment.

“She tried to look at what was inside the bag. And when she felt that something suspicious was inside it, she threw it away. The bag landed in an area where there was nobody around,” Obatay said.

Part of wider plot

Obatay said the explosive was fashioned out of an 81-millimeter mortar shells fitted with a timing device, the same type of bomb used in the Makilala and Tacurong attacks. He said the explosion, which caused a minor damage in one of the neighboring stores, was obviously part of a wider plot by terror groups like the JI.

In Makilala, military bomb experts found another improvised explosive device (IED) near the site of Tuesday night’s blast, said Colonel Ruperto Pabustan, commander of the Army’s 602nd Infantry Brigade.

Pabustan said bomb experts scouring the periphery of the Makilala town gymnasium found an abandoned bag at around 8 a.m. yesterday. He said the bag contained two 81-mm mortar shells with a mobile phone and a 9-volt battery.

“The perpetrators really planned to maim and kill as many people with these two powerful IEDs,” Pabustan told the Inquirer.

Text message

He said the mobile phone call registry showed more than 20 missed calls, an indication that the perpetrators had intended to detonate the bomb on Tuesday. It also had a text message in the Maguindanao dialect that read: “Where are you? You are the only ones who have not yet detonated (the bomb).”

“Luckily, it did not explode. Had it exploded, there could be hundreds of others killed because the area was so crowded at the time,” Pabustan said. “We have not arrested anyone but we are really blaming JI for this,” he said.

Makilala was celebrating its 52nd founding day when a bomb exploded in a trade fair near the municipal hall Tuesday night.

Makilala Mayor Onofre Respicio said only six people were killed in Tuesday night’s explosion, contrary to his earlier claim that 12 had died.

“The figures of fatalities reached 12 last (Tuesday) night because other dead victims listed in hospitals in Makilala were also listed in other hospitals in nearby Kidapawan City,” Respicio said.

Fatalities

Those killed were identified as Wilfredo Singson, 50; Honey Grace Gomez, 29; Romeo Pajugas, 27; Len-Len Tajan-Tajan, all of Makilala; Geralyn Alba of Kidapawan City, and Nelson Turalba of Ecoland, Davao City.

More than 20 others were confirmed wounded, he said.

Pabustan said the Makilala bombers could be the same group behind the Tacurong City public market blast that left four persons injured on Tuesday.

“They could still be traveling right now,” he said.

Pabustan said police and military checkpoints had been set up in strategic areas and all vehicles were being subjected to search.

MILF signature

North Cotabato Governor Emmanuel Piñol said he was more inclined to believe that the Makilala blast was the handiwork of the MILF.

“The bombs used, the way it was detonated had all the signatures of the MILF’s previous attacks in the province and elsewhere in the region,” Piñol said.

He said the attack only proved that the MILF has not abandoned its terror stance despite the peace process.

The peace talks have hit a snag following disagreements over the concept of the Bangsamoro territory. The MILF wanted more than 1,000 villages for inclusion in the Bangsamoro juridical entity but the government said only around 600 villages are Moro-dominated.

“I’m deeply disappointed because we are talking, we have been communicating and they promised not to use violence in pursuit of their cause and then now they have attacked civilians,” Piñol said.

MILF denies involvement

But Eid Kabalu, speaking for the MILF, quickly dismissed Piñol’s claim and said the governor had been misinformed.

“Governor Piñol’s allegations are sweeping because he made pronouncements even before a formal investigation is conducted,” Kabalu told the Inquirer.

“We don’t need things like this, we don’t need to use force to pursue our cause … right now, even if there’s impasse in the talks, the ceasefire agreement is in place,” he added.

Kabalu also said the MILF does not operate in Makilala, a banana- and rubber-producing town, which is a former lair of communist rebels.

Ghazali Jaafar, MILF political affairs chief, said his group was condemning the bomb attacks.

“The leadership of the MILF condemns the bombing. We dislike this kind of act. Political problems cannot be solved through such actions, which are anti-people,” he said.

Jaafar said the MILF is also ready to extend help to bring the culprits before justice. Edwin O. Fernandez, Charlie C. Señase, Jeoffrey Maitem, Julie S. Alipala, Jeffrey M. Tupas, Eldie Aguirre, Inquirer Mindanao; Associated Press and Reuters
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