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Old 11-16-2006, 09:28   #1
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Permit renewal in Gwinnett

Sorry, I can't say renewed anymore, I guess. I reapplied for my permit this morning.

The entire process, including driving down the road to the annex for fingerprints, took 1 hour. There was one other guy getting his, the clerks were both efficient and courteous, and everyone accepts cash or credit cards.

As I was leaving the fingerprint guy said it's taking two weeks to a month for permits, which doesn't sound bad. I'll let y'all know how long it really takes.
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:13   #2
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I renewed (re-applied) for mine in Cobb, 3 months before my old one was to expire. I got my new one the day BEFORE mine expired = 88 days to get new one.

Go to www.georgiapacking.org if you have not already, there is a whole section dedicated to renewals etc
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:23   #3
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Re: Permit renewal in Gwinnett

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Sorry, I can't say renewed anymore, I guess.
Yeah, the new statute only uses the word "renewal" 24 times!

Anyway, did the form require you to disclose your social security number and employment information?

Did you request, and did they issue, a temporary renewal license?

GCO forced Cobb County to issue temporaries. Link here
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Old 11-29-2006, 09:31   #4
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Re: Re: Permit renewal in Gwinnett

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Anyway, did the form require you to disclose your social security number and employment information?
The info was requested on the form and I gave it. I don't know if they would have required it.

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Did you request, and did they issue, a temporary renewal license?
I didn't request one.
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:04   #5
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One more question: Did the form indicate that the SSN was "Optional, but may prevent misidentification" under the blank line for SSN?
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:09   #6
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One more question: Did the form indicate that the SSN was "Optional, but may prevent misidentification" under the blank line for SSN?
AAMOF, I think it did, but I wouldn't swear to it.
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Old 11-29-2006, 10:14   #7
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OK, thanks. Sorry for all the questions, but GCO has been trying to get this stuff removed (it is actually a violation of federal law to demand the SSN as a condition of application).

More Info Here
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Old 12-01-2006, 23:26   #8
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Can you post when you get it so your fellow Gwinnetians will have a guesstimate how long it'll take. Mine expires Fall of '07.
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Old 12-02-2006, 06:57   #9
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Sure will.
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Old 12-04-2006, 09:33   #10
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Can you post when you get it so your fellow Gwinnetians will have a guesstimate how long it'll take. Mine expires Fall of '07.
FYI, Gwinnett is one of the fastest counties in Georgia.

Look at this link for further information about Gwinnett
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Old 12-28-2006, 14:11   #11
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Re: Permit renewal in Gwinnett

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As I was leaving the fingerprint guy said it's taking two weeks to a month for permits, which doesn't sound bad. I'll let y'all know how long it really takes.
Still waiting?
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Old 01-22-2007, 22:29   #12
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You get it yet?

Huh, didja, didja, didja?

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Old 01-23-2007, 05:35   #13
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Still waiting. I called last week and the lady at probate court said the background checks, from four agencies, are taking a lot longer due to volume.
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Old 01-23-2007, 08:35   #14
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Four agencies? What is she talking about?

First of all, the probate court is to ask the local law enforcement agency to do the checks. There is nothing in the law about the probate court doing any checks itself.

Those checks are GCIC (which is the GBI), see O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(1). This same subsection says that the law enforcement agency (this is the department that took your fingerprints) should request a check of FBI records (NCIC). Of course, this is done by the law enforcement agency submitting them for the first check to GCIC, which automatically forwards them on to NCIC. So it is really doen all in one check.

The local law enforcement agency is also to check NICS. This is also an FBI system, and it is an instant background check (the exact same system that is used when you buy a firearm). See O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(2). So this involves no new agency.

That is everything. No more checks are performed. That is it unless you are an alien, in which case there is one more check to be performed. I am assuming you are a United States citizen.

Now, the probate court could not have been talking about the (d)(2) check, because that is instant. It would have come back the same day you were fingerprinted (within minutes, really). The (d)(1) fingerprint check involves only GBI and FBI. That means two agencies, not four, but even then it is only one check that the local law enforcement agency performs and then gives a report to the judge.

Oh! But guess what? The statute says:

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The law enforcement agency shall notify the judge of the probate court within 50 days, by telephone and in writing, of any findings relating to the applicant which may bear on his or her eligibility for a license or renewal license under the terms of this Code section. When no derogatory information is found on the applicant bearing on his or her eligibility to obtain a license or renewal license, a report shall not be required. The law enforcement agency shall return the application and the blank license form with the fingerprint thereon directly to the judge of the probate court within such time period.
See O.C.G.A. 16-11-129(d)(4).

The judge then has an additional ten days (i.e., not later then 60 days after the date of application) to issue the license. Id.

Pretty simple, really.

But, hey, this is just the law. Does the law bind our government? Or just you?

Has it been 60 days?

I have a suggestion for you. You can check to see when the fingerprints were forwarded to the GBI by getting your ORI number here. Then call GCIC and ask about the status of your fingerprint check. Ink fingerprints run about 7 days (not weeks, not months) and electronic Livescan fingerprints take only a few minutes (seriously). This will reveal if what the probate court tells you is the truth, or a lie.

Somebody is not being truthful with you.

Is it me, or is it the probate court?

Which one gave you the tools to find out the truth? Which one just made statements without giving you any way of checking up on whether what they said is true?

Did the probate court even give you the date the fingerprints were sent off to the GBI?

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Old 01-23-2007, 08:42   #15
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"When no derogatory information is found on the applicant bearing on his or her eligibility to obtain a license or renewal license, a report shall not be required." O.C.G.A. 16-11-129.

So, are they waiting on a "required" report that the statute says is not required?



I hear the music from the twilight zone whenever I listen to what the probate court has to say.
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Old 01-23-2007, 17:21   #16
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Arrived this afternoon. Applied 11/16/06 - issued 1/12/07.
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Old 01-27-2007, 12:56   #17
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Less than 60 days!
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OK, thanks. Sorry for all the questions, but GCO has been trying to get this stuff removed (it is actually a violation of federal law to demand the SSN as a condition of application).

More Info Here
GCO just filed its reply brief in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://georgiacarry.org/cms/category...r-application/
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Less than 60 days!
By the skin of their teeth. Apparently, after the permit is issued, it has to be hand trimmed and laminated along with a copy of 16-11-127, which you initial on the application. From the looks of the cutting and laminating job they're subbing the work out to kindergartens - much sloppier than my previous permit. In any case that must add a little time to the process.
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GCO just filed its reply brief in the Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals.

http://georgiacarry.org/cms/category...r-application/
http://www.georgiacarry.org/cms/2007...ase-dismissal/

And the Eleventh Circuit rules in GCO's favor!
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