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Old 02-12-2007, 21:40   #1
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Trolley Square Shootings (Edit: 6 dead)

Just getting word of this on TV....KUTV saying something about 3-10 fatalities. Seemed like there was also some rumor that the shooter might have been taken down by an off-duty officer.

This should be interesting.

May move my CWP higher up on my list of things to do.

My heart goes out to those affected.

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Update: 6 dead, including shooter, 4? others seriously injured, first cops arrived after 3 minutes of the 911 calls, suspect dead 3 minutes later.

Kudos to the Ogden off-duty officer as well as the SLPD.


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Old 02-12-2007, 21:44   #2
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Yup saw that
From what I heard it was a Ogden officer that was shooting back at him, and the bad guy only had a shotgun.
Sad thing is my wife and I were talking about going out to eat at the factory tonight but decided to stay in.
I was wondering if the guy was using birdshot or something (figured the guy was probably a moron)

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Old 02-12-2007, 22:05   #3
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My wife and I like to go to Trolley Square at times. I'm not planning on letting this change that; other than you can be darn sure I'll be carrying.

What a nightmare for the families. Hopefully tomorrow will put some structure to the current chaos.
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Old 02-12-2007, 22:17   #4
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Sad. I feel bad for the helpless victims.

You can be sure the legislature will run with this.
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Old 02-12-2007, 22:36   #5
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Sounds like 6 dead, including the shooter, and it was an off-duty cop that took the b@stard down.

Sure makes you think "just what I REALLY do?" if I were there if some guy pulls out a shotgun and starts blasting away? (How would the law/courts see it, if you or I were to have been the ones to have taken him down, rather than an off-duty officer?)

In an unfortunate morbid way, is a testimony to the effectiveness of the shotgun, even if he was using birdshot.

Sad, sad situation.

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Old 02-13-2007, 00:00   #6
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yikes! so sad to hear something crazy like this happen in salt lake... anyways... drudge link:

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=148&sid=888784
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Old 02-13-2007, 00:13   #7
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From what I heard it was a Ogden officer that was shooting back at him, and the bad guy only had a shotgun.
I think that's the first time I've ever seen the words "only" and "shotgun" used together in a sentence...

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Old 02-13-2007, 00:19   #8
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Well when it first started they were saying he had a shotgun and a pistol.
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Old 02-13-2007, 00:26   #9
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Old 02-13-2007, 09:47   #10
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Did anyone catch Rocky Anderson's first statements regarding the shootings?
He was on Ch.13 at about 10pm.
He never expressed sadness for the victims. Only that those who witnessed the shootings were victims that would need mental health therapy and something to the effect that "we need to look at the prevalence of guns".
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Old 02-13-2007, 12:39   #11
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Yup, Liberals can't feel, they just act like it so people will listen to them.
And as I was telling my wife, there goes rocky trying to get reelected.
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Old 02-13-2007, 17:44   #12
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Did anyone catch Rocky Anderson's first statements regarding the shootings?
He was on Ch.13 at about 10pm.
He never expressed sadness for the victims. Only that those who witnessed the shootings were victims that would need mental health therapy and something to the effect that "we need to look at the prevalence of guns".
What would you expect from the uber liberal piece of trash?

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Old 02-13-2007, 18:28   #13
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From what I understand, Rocky, the Flying *****, is not running for reelection this time around. It figures that he would blame an inanimate object for this terrible situation, rather than the piece of trash that victimized so many, including his own family.

I can assure you that my Glock will accompany me much more often.

The resolution of the situation shows what a single person, armed only with a pistol, can do. In this case, it was an off duty police officer, but I hope any CWP holder would have responded in a similar fasion, have assured the security of those he or she was with first, of course. The actions of the officer were taken to protect lives, not enforce the law. That is why I said the above.

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Old 02-13-2007, 20:27   #14
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...but I hope any CWP holder would have responded in a similar fasion...

This thread in the Carry Issues forum of GT seems to indicate otherwise.
It's too bad people feel like that.

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Old 02-14-2007, 07:32   #15
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If it had been a CCW, instead of an off-duty police officer in the shooting, the press would be calling him a "vigilante", instead of a "hero".

Bet on it.
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Old 02-14-2007, 09:32   #16
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My wife and I drove right past the mall about 30 minutes before it all started and almost stopped to have dinner. My wife then suggested that we just grab some fast food instead, if it wasn't for her sudden craving for a Big Mac we would have been there.
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Old 02-14-2007, 23:09   #17
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It's a tough call. I think if I were surpised at close range with a reasonably high percentage opportunity to engage - I'd take it.

However, to go charging into an area where gunfire is taking place, not knowing what you're up against (body armor, multiple shooters, unlimited firepower, some weird two party dispute, etc.) would seem foolhardy. Better to tuck your wife & kids out of the way and defend your temporary corner in the mall.

You might not be a hero this way, but you've got a higher percentage chance of going home without any extra orifices in your body.



Also - I've seen enough positive news coverage of shop owners gunning down criminals to know that they're usually not branded as vigilantes - even on CNN. I doubt if Joe Citizen had plugged this idiot that he would have been branded a vigilante.
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Old 02-14-2007, 23:16   #18
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For me it would depend, my main concern is to protect my wife, if we were in immediate danger I would do what I had to. If we were safe for the time being and I had a chance to get her out of there I would take that. Alone, might be different. But I donít know, for me I canít value my life over others. (I made my wife upset when I told her that)
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Old 02-15-2007, 11:18   #19
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Question from Ohio: Does the Trolly Mall allow concealed carry? Most of the Malls here in Cincinnati do not, with posted signs at most entrances. Just curious if perhaps there were any permit holders armed and inside the mall.
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Question from Ohio: Does the Trolly Mall allow concealed carry? Most of the Malls here in Cincinnati do not, with posted signs at most entrances. Just curious if perhaps there were any permit holders armed and inside the mall.
Such signage does not carry legal weight in Utah.
I've heard (on the intarweb) that they had a "no guns" sign,
but that will not legally stop you from carrying there unless they direct you to leave (trespassing).

Utah BCI has listed the very few restrictions to carrying in Utah.
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Old 02-20-2007, 12:23   #21
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Trolly Square Shootings

Regarding that broadcaster's (Rocky Anderson) inane statement about the prevalance of guns, IMHO there were too few guns at the Trolley Square Mall when that unfortunate incident occurred. When that deranged individual entered the Mall with a shotgun intent on mayhem, all of the innocent patrons present were unarmed and thus helpless to defend themselves. Were it not for the presence of that off duty officer who interceded to put a stop to the slaughter, many more people would have been injured or killed. A the first sound of gunfire, had there been one armed CCW holder in the vicinity with the guts to get involved and take out the shooter, lives would have been saved. In those circumstances, I doubt that there would be a single police officer, prosecutor or grand or trial juror who would fault the use of deadly force against that moron discharging a shotgun in a public place. If anyone needs justification for the Second Amendment, they need look no further than the Columbine school shooting, the Amash school shooting in Pennsylvania, and now, the Trolley Square Mall.
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Quote:
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If it had been a CCW, instead of an off-duty police officer in the shooting, the press would be calling him a "vigilante", instead of a "hero".

Bet on it.
I highly doubt they'd be calling him a vigilante. That said, I don't think they would have been as enthusiastic as they were about our hero in this case...
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Quote:
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Such signage does not carry legal weight in Utah.
I've heard (on the intarweb) that they had a "no guns" sign,
but that will not legally stop you from carrying there unless they direct you to leave (trespassing).

Utah BCI has listed the very few restrictions to carrying in Utah.
That was my understanding as well.
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