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Old 02-28-2007, 08:15   #1
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Need advice on budget HD firearm

Good day sirs. Hope you guys can help me out with this. My brother-in-law asked me for advice on a home defense firearm. You see he lives with his wife and 3 very young sons in a poorly secured subdivision in Novaliches,Q.C.Their house is surrounded by 3 vacant lots and the adjacent 2 houses have been unoccupied for around 2 years. Their nearest reliable neighbor is half a kilometer away. In the past 6 months they have had at least 4 attempted break-ins, but the final straw was when just recently they found one of their two pitbull guard dogs dead and apparently poisoned. My bayaw is getting paranoid especially when his eldest son reports seeing groups of strange men looking over their wall late one afternoon. Unfortunately, he has no experience whatsoever in firearms handling, and he's on a very tight budget. I was thinking of suggesting an Armscor .38 revolver, but I told him I'd ask more knowledgeable shooters first, being a newbie myself. Ano po sa palagay niyo?
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:38   #2
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buti nga yon ung revolver sir kasi pag untrained pa handler ng baril kahit naka pikit pa mata nya kalabit lang sya ng kalabit ng trigger walang paltos pag revolver. considering the tight budget and urgency ng situation sir ha.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:41   #3
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he might want to consider a shotgun also.
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Old 02-28-2007, 08:44   #4
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i would suggest he get a shotgun. just point and pull the trigger
less chances of over penetration. tell him to drop by pbDionesio along roces ave. and look at their escort shotgun its around 14k only. kung ako sa kanya.... i would get 1 kagad coz mukang getting ready na yung mga bad guys to break in his house by getting rid of the dogs. mintis maybe u can lend ur bro-in-law a handgun if u have more than 1 for the mean time just to be on the safe side

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Old 02-28-2007, 09:01   #5
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Thanks very much for the quick replies, sirs. Oo nga, there is some urgency to the situation. But with the gun ban on, it will take a little more time before he can bring his FA home. Madalas ko nga siyang biruin na lumipat na lang ng residence.
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mintis pahiramin mo muna bayaw mo ng FA if u have more than 1.... medyo nkakatok nga situation nya.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:17   #7
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It would also help kung makuhanan mo ng pictures yung mga tambay na umaaligid.
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Old 02-28-2007, 09:47   #8
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how strange were the men?

We're almost in the same boat
My house is in a remote bukid , neihbors are far away , and suspicious looking men parang nag susurveillance paminsan minsan

Pero , I'm suspicious looking myself plus I know how to shoot a little
I would suggest a 4inch revolver ( shotguns have a more complicated manual of arms ), vhf radio naka tune in sa barangay hall/emergancy response group , dogs, and more light spag gabi

Pero tools lang yan
Kahit walang baril basta may mindset
I always challenge any strangers na lumiligidligid sa akin bukid
I address them politely - @#$%^^ namo , sino nagpapasok sayo dito?!!
If someone looks over your wall, sigawan mo - @#$#$%^ado! ano hinahanap mo artista?!!
( warning - this can be an invitation for some a-hole to lob a grenade over your wall )
Ika nga sa TR , if look like food , you will be eaten

anyway , thats been my experience in living in remote places and being robbed a few times including 1 armed robbery long time ago

Goodluck to your bro in law
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Old 02-28-2007, 10:13   #9
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Thanks very much for the quick replies, sirs. Oo nga, there is some urgency to the situation. But with the gun ban on, it will take a little more time before he can bring his FA home. Madalas ko nga siyang biruin na lumipat na lang ng residence.
Here are my suggestions...

Go get him a 2nd hand Taurus revolver - revos are the way to go here, so he doesn't have to fumble with safeties. One thing though, you said he has young children, make sure they don't have access to his firearm!

A non-lethal thing he can consider are those teargas cans that are build like fire extinguishers. (I think they're sold at either Jethro or Hahn)

Another thing he could get is an alarm system that makes a wild racket when triggered. He may not have neighbors, but the BG's may get rattled when they hear an alarm go off.

Also, get him to put more locks on his doors.

Finally, asking him to move may not be such a bad idea.
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Old 02-28-2007, 16:42   #10
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shotgun! kung walang experience yung tao sa firearms, hindi maganda handgun as a first firearm.

pump shotgun ang the best. tignan ninyo escort and armscor shotguns. Kung sa PBD, get fiocchi 00 buck and No. 4 shot.

tama si fafa allegra. get more dogs and lights sa gabi. lagyan nila madami bubog and barb wire perimeter walls. electrify yung bakod para ma kuryente hahawak.

timbre sa mobile patrol kung may kakilala. dito sa barangay namin merong nahuling mga #*(@#&*$^#($^(#()@_)!)!%(! bantay salakay na mga barangay tanod!!!
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Old 02-28-2007, 17:45   #11
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As a precaution against poisoning of dogs, train the dogs not to eat food tossed at them and to eat only from a dog dish. What they do to train daw is to toss meat stuffed with salt or hot sauce to the dog. The dog will eventually associate tossed food with extrmeely salty or spicy meat. This is to be done periodically until the dog becomes wary of tossed meat and will eat only from a dog dish.
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Old 02-28-2007, 18:26   #12
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good day sir. i am new to this forum and this is my first post. i am not an expert on this field but i have had some experiences of break ins in our house. i was young then and no access to guns but there are a couple of things i would like to suggest and hope it will help you and your family.

1) dogs are great. if your dogs have been poisoned before, try feeding them at night para medyo busog sila. if they are full, mas hindi sila matakaw kumain ng kung anu ano. dont over feed them too. over feeding them at night will lead them to sleeping the whole night.

dogs can be trained not to eat food kung wala sa plato nila. if your house is near your fence, you can install a net para kung magtapon sila ng food, hindi makain ng dogs nyo.

if you have more than 1 dog, dapat nakatali ang isa or nasa loob ng cage. if in case ma poison ang isa, u still have one who can bark and make noise. noise is what distracts and discourages thieves.

2) if dogs are great, ducks are better! yep, ducks. this is not a typo. ducks may not bite like dogs but they make good alarm systems. kung may tao, maiingay sila and i have yet to see a duck being poisoned.

3) try to install an alarm, bell, siren or anything that attracts attention. kahit na manually activated pwede na to. make sure the controls are in your bedroom.

4) try to install lights around your perimeter. switching them on kapag may suspect kayo would also discourage them from going into your house.

5) kung maliliit pa bata nyo, better sleep in one room and make sure your door is properly secured. locks are good but reinforcements to your door would be better. remember this is your last line of defense. make sure it is very secured. how? invest either in good locks and wood or better if ipa steel plate mo na ito. this may be an overkill but this may also save your life.

6) keep the revolver. that is a great gun. i find revolvers very good for self defense. no misfeeds, no jamming. just pull the trigger. shotguns are also good. you want simplicity? get a double barrel shotgun. that is the simplest i can think of. i recently reserved for one na.

i would suggest that you leave the fighting of the criminals to the professionals though.... wala kang laban sa mga ganyan. dont risk your life. it is not worth it. you and your guns shouldnt leave your bedroom. kung may papasok, patayin mo na. dead men tell no tales.

never try to scare them away by going out of your room with a gun. the moment you come out of the room, consider yourself dead. common sense lang yan... kahit na magnanakaw ka lang at habol mo pera a gamit, the moment you see someone with a gun, first instinct mo nyan is to protect ur life first. when you go out of the room, hindi mo alam nasaan sila. pero yung mga magnanakaw, your room is being monitored and the moments you come out of the room, kitang kita ka na.

7) make sure your cellfones are always charged and you have a strong flashlight in the bedroom. medyo extreme na ito pero if the thieves cut your phone lines and electricity, at least may naiiwan pa sa room nyo.

8) there are 3 phone numbers you should always store in your cellfone..... police, fire station and hospital. dont just call the police. call all three in case of emergency. kung matagal ang police at incase na may kinalaman rin sila sa break in, the moment may siren maririnig ang mga magnanakaw, tatakbo at tatakbo yan. they dont want a complicated situation.

9) lastly, try to save money and move somewhere else safer.

marami pa pwedeng gawin like installing state of the art this and that. pero for someone who is medyo gipit sa pera, this is what i can suggest. these are just on top of my head and i may have missed something. ill just update it if may maisip ako.

hope this helps.
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Old 02-28-2007, 18:38   #13
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Re: Need advice on budget HD firearm

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Good day sirs. Hope you guys can help me out with this. My brother-in-law asked me for advice on a home defense firearm. You see he lives with his wife and 3 very young sons in a poorly secured subdivision in Novaliches,Q.C.Their house is surrounded by 3 vacant lots and the adjacent 2 houses have been unoccupied for around 2 years. Their nearest reliable neighbor is half a kilometer away. In the past 6 months they have had at least 4 attempted break-ins, but the final straw was when just recently they found one of their two pitbull guard dogs dead and apparently poisoned. My bayaw is getting paranoid especially when his eldest son reports seeing groups of strange men looking over their wall late one afternoon. Unfortunately, he has no experience whatsoever in firearms handling, and he's on a very tight budget. I was thinking of suggesting an Armscor .38 revolver, but I told him I'd ask more knowledgeable shooters first, being a newbie myself. Ano po sa palagay niyo?
remote area? just get any reliable firearm, tapos mag alaga ka ng maraming PATO(yun ba yun? yung nanghahabol na duck tapos nanga-gagat), i remember one time i was attacked by a bunch on them on my lolo's farm, cute pa naman, maingay pa sa aso.
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Old 02-28-2007, 18:55   #14
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tama sir pato or ganza?? some say ganza / goose is better pa sa aso in terms of pagiingay kung me mga tao sa paligid..

in this case youll be alarm agad and get ready before they came in eh masasaludar mo sila na maayos (i mean ur in a safe shooting position na and ur fmily is in secured place na)
i suggest u get a shotgun even ur wife can use it.. just aim and shoot..then sama ka sa mga tropa and shoot in a range once in a while. so ul get use of shooting. even ur bayaws wife and kids if posible.

bisoy welcome here sa BOGs.. galing ka sa pinoy guns diba?

tama si bisoy sir get a alarm also ung dinig nung kapitbahay nyo na half kilometer ang lau hehe.. (actualy alarm can oush away this badguys..

get the no. of nearest police station and barngay police.
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Old 02-28-2007, 19:13   #15
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hahaha ducks
Deterrent nga yon , dami pupuntang mga alagad manghihingi ng pulutan
sorry couldnt resist

Tama si Choi , you guys meant gansa yung nanghahabol na maingay
Kaso they are annoying and poop all over the place

Kung talagang paranoid na sya , just move
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Old 02-28-2007, 19:36   #16
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+1 for the dogs

re affordable firearms, i would recommend an armscor .38 revolver or an akkar pump-action shotgun, i think around 11k lang each. medyo matagal lang processing, di mo agad makuha.
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Old 02-28-2007, 20:11   #18
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bisoy welcome here sa BOGs.. galing ka sa pinoy guns diba?
yes sir!
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Wanted to post this kaso baka ma badwords ako ni Tulfo for copyright infingements so just click or read the inq

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquire...ticle_id=52238

Dangerous times indeed
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Re: HD

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tama sir pato or ganza?? some say ganza / goose is better pa sa aso in terms of pagiingay kung me mga tao sa paligid..
in this case youll be alarm agad and get ready before they came in eh masasaludar mo sila na maayos (i mean ur in a safe shooting position na and ur fmily is in secured place na) i suggest u get a shotgun even ur wife can use it.. just aim and shoot..then sama ka sa mga tropa and shoot in a range once in a while. so ul get use of shooting. even ur bayaws wife and kids if posible. bisoy welcome here sa BOGs.. galing ka sa pinoy guns diba? tama si bisoy sir get a alarm also ung dinig nung kapitbahay nyo na half kilometer ang lau hehe.. (actualy alarm can oush away this badguys.. get the no. of nearest police station and barngay police.
You are right Choi, the gansa(s) (English trans.-goose/geese)makes a lot of noise when they see "particulars" in your yard. We used to have them as "alarm systems" together with our dogs in the province during my youth...have two cages with 2(m&f)gansa each cage at opposite far corners of the lot so that the property is covered all the time and solving the "poop" kalat (english trans.-mess all over the place)...And the goose eggs are really big about 3 to 4 times bigger than chickens...armscor 38 spl is affordable at less than l5K but the waiting period can get your relatives in harms'way so while waiting get or borrow an interim tool, to secure the family and answer the questions later
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