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Old 06-01-2007, 09:29   #1
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Concealed Carry in Restaurants w/ alcohol

The law on packing.org is somewhat vague on this matter. I take the law to mean you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not in the actual place where the alcohol is served (i.e. the bar). Is this correct? In SC we cannot carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.
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Old 06-01-2007, 11:05   #2
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That sounds about right, although let's face it, where the bar ends and the restaurant begins is a pretty fuzzy matter in a lot of places.

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Old 06-01-2007, 15:26   #3
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i am both a kentucky CCDW holder and certifed instructor, so i can offer a somewhat 'expert' opinion.

you can carry (fully loaded) in restaurants that serve alcohol provided you don't sit 'at the bar'. as long as the restaurant receives more than 50% of it's income from food, it's not a bar. since louiville recently imposed its socialist smoking ban, this is a good indicator of the restaurant's status. if the smoking ban applies, you can carry there. if you can smoke inside, it's a bar.

you may carry in a bar*, provided the weapon is FULLY UNLOADED. (*i am not a lawyer and this is my own personal interpretation of kentucky state law, which i have studied on my own a good deal). i base this on the fact that KY state law says it is not a crime to carry a concealed weapon anywhere an unconcealed weapon is allowed. the law also specifically says you may not carry a LOADED weapon into a bar. this implies you may carry an unloaded weapon concealed into a bar. the statutes define 'unloaded' as no rounds in the chamber with no magazine inserted (or any rounds in the cylinder for a revolver).

apparently, the state considers a fully unloaded handgun to no longer be a deadly weapon. i hate leaving my pistol in the truck, where it can possibly get stolen and is not under my direct control.

if anyone has a different interpretation of or a hard and fast answer to the bars and unloaded handguns question, please pipe up. i can't find the law, nor any precedent.

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Good point of view Frye.

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i am both a kentucky CCDW holder and certifed instructor, so i can offer a somewhat 'expert' opinion.

you can carry (fully loaded) in restaurants that serve alcohol provided you don't sit 'at the bar'. as long as the restaurant receives more than 50% of it's income from food, it's not a bar. since louiville recently imposed its socialist smoking ban, this is a good indicator of the restaurant's status. if the smoking ban applies, you can carry there. if you can smoke inside, it's a bar.

you may carry in a bar*, provided the weapon is FULLY UNLOADED. (*i am not a lawyer and this is my own personal interpretation of kentucky state law, which i have studied on my own a good deal). i base this on the fact that KY state law says it is not a crime to carry a concealed weapon anywhere an unconcealed weapon is allowed. the law also specifically says you may not carry a LOADED weapon into a bar. this implies you may carry an unloaded weapon concealed into a bar. the statutes define 'unloaded' as no rounds in the chamber with no magazine inserted (or any rounds in the cylinder for a revolver).

apparently, the state considers a fully unloaded handgun to no longer be a deadly weapon. i hate leaving my pistol in the truck, where it can possibly get stolen and is not under my direct control.

if anyone has a different interpretation of or a hard and fast answer to the bars and unloaded handguns question, please pipe up. i can't find the law, nor any precedent.

frye
Thanks that pretty well answers my question. I`m an Indiana License To Carry holder. We are going to be visiting family in Glasgow Labor Day weekend and I was concerned about restaurants that serve alcohol. Here in Indiana we can carry in bars.

http://www.el-mazatlan.com/Glasgow/M...ening_Page.htm
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Old 09-03-2009, 12:13   #7
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Restaurant MUST also have seating for 50 (in addition to the 50% revenue from food sales).
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Old 09-07-2009, 22:12   #8
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What? Haven't heard that 'seating for 50' rule. Where is the statute for that?
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I don't know of the statute for sure, but I have always heard the 50% rule myself.
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As an observer from across the Ohio River, it has long struck me that Kentucky's firearms laws have a nice amount of "grey area" in them, to the extent that a righteous gunowner will have some room to defend himself in the judicial arena as well as on the street.
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The law on packing.org is somewhat vague on this matter. I take the law to mean you can carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol, but not in the actual place where the alcohol is served (i.e. the bar). Is this correct? In SC we cannot carry in a restaurant that serves alcohol.
In N.C. if it serves alcohol it's off limits to ccw which means fast food can't even eat at pizza hut because they serve beer.
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