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Old 06-27-2007, 07:51   #1
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Tanfoglio .380

Guys, have any of you a tanfoglio .380 or have had any experience with it? I'm considering getting one for concealed carry but I would surely like to hear about your experiences with it before I finally decide to get one. Thanks in advance!
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Old 06-27-2007, 17:03   #2
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You mean the GT380, or the FT9?
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:13   #3
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I'm not too sure about the nomenclature. All I know is that the model comes in either .32 or .380, saw it at a brochure in Armscor Makati.
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Old 06-28-2007, 09:21   #4
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Just checked right now. Its the FT
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Old 06-28-2007, 13:04   #5
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Och aye, but I've only handled the FT. Never fired it.
Workmanship seems much better than the older GT380.
I suggest you look at a few 9mm subcompacts before you decide:

Just about the same size, and far more effective as manstoppers.
Of course, they cost much more. Try looking for a Kahr PMK9.
Lots of other micro 9mm's out there to look at.

I just want you to make a super-informed decision
Good luck.
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Old 06-29-2007, 04:14   #6
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Thanks very much for the info. Did consider other models, especially the glock 30. However, price is the main consideration here. Its selling at P15K now plus 5.5K for the license. Medyo mahal kasi yung glock. Just wanted something I can carry in my pocket all day long. Probably won't fire it as much. I agree that the round is not formidable, but i believe it stores 15 in the mag. Guess that should be okay. If for this purpose only, would you still suggest it?

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Old 06-29-2007, 05:03   #7
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Tanfoglio FT9

Tanfoglio FT9

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Old 06-29-2007, 16:04   #8
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Young Once,

Ask Armscor if they have a rental FT9 at Parang, so you can try
before you buy. Seeing how it fits your hand, how it points, is
one thing, Seeing how it shoots is quite another. Also ask them
what IWB holsters in Kydex are compatible with the FT9. If you
are in Parang to test-shoot, you might as well get to know
Mang Tony Giron's location and price, so your future (custom)
leather IWB is easier to obtain.

IMHO lang, ha? But...
When you're counting on a .380 platform for CCW-SD, you'll need
a LOT more practice to have confidence in it as a weapon.

Get tight groups consistently, and keep in mind the target area
for .380 is very different from 9mm up. You will want to bring a
marker pen regularly to the range, to dress up your cardboard.

Only the triangle from the nose bridge to the corners of the mouth
counts, as far as head shots are concerned. COM isn't quite COM,
either. Pick a bias on either side of the sternum, about 2-2.5" off
center, just above nipple height, and practice hitting it.The idea
is to avoid dealing with thick bone.

JMO, but with .380, it's not a bad idea to zip up a triple tap,
from just under the ribcage, to the chest, then a prayer shot at
the head. It takes about a second and a half from draw, if you've
practiced enough: have cardboard at 2m distance at first, then
move it out as you get used to the weapon.


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EDIT: 1.5 seconds triple tap from draw might not seem all that
"fast" to some gamers, but keep in mind this is a draw from
IWB concealment.
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Old 06-29-2007, 17:07   #9
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For any beginners listening in, hi! Here's some eye candy,
comparing my cartridge of choice, the .45 ACP, with .380 ACP.

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The 9mm bullet has the same diameter as the .380, but with more
length/mass and a heck of a lot more powder behind it. A 9mm JHP
is more likely to expand fully (bigger hole in the badguy) than
a .380 JHP. Of course, maxed out, an expanded 9mm is often only
as big a holemaker as an unexpanded .45 JHP.

I'm playing Devil's advocate with our pareng Young Once only
because of personal bias: the reason I turn to .380 is when
the dress code rules out concealment of bigger pistols.
I'd really prefer to pack a .45 ACP.

The singlestack .380 can be a very flat, slim proposition
that lends itself to easy concealment. Few 9mm's are
available in singlestack, compact format (see the Rohrbaugh R9).

Most manufacturers think "concealed carry" when they build .380's.
They think "a whole bunch of other things" for 9mm --which encourages
maxing out 9mm cartridge capacity through doublestack magazines.

A doublestack .380 gives up concealability due to width of
the mag (and therefore grip). Lots of doublestack 9mm pistols,
similarly-sized, giving nearly double the terminal effects
per hit. I'm a really big fan of the .380, but admit that
with life on the line, I'd prefer to pack a nine.
(if I could conceal a 9, that is... and mostly I can't)


JMHO, TANSTAAFL, YMMV, etc., etc.,
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Old 06-29-2007, 21:32   #10
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I personally agree with sir horge regarding his choice of packing a.45 instead of the .380s. Aged as the 9mms, and though not widely used , .380s are still visible in many pistol manufacturers design until now . It is right that they were primarily built(pistols in .380cal)for concealability purposes. Some US air force fighter pilots were issued the Walther PPK in .380, and the joke circulates that; they would rather throw it towards the enemy instead of shooting it to inflict more damage if they were ever to be captured. Well that's a joke, but in reality, this .380 cal bullet was the one used in an assasination that started World War I. So, why are they trying to produce such a bullet that it may take you a pointblank shot to stop a two legged threat? I do'nt know personally why. But based on my experience with my first handgun- a Star .380, these are the factors that i liked with it: Lesser recoil and easy follow up shot on the 2nd and succeeding shots. Shot group is good at 7 yards. It may be short for anyone out there but that's the way i rated my .380, beyond that i would'nt bet my cent on it. But now that i am more enlightened of how the real defense is going out there in the field, i switched my choice with a compact .45cal. Why?

"with life on the line, I'd prefer to pack a nine.
(if I could conceal a 9, that is... and mostly I can't)"
- sir horge

Goodluck Young Once, hope this helps with your preference.
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Old 06-29-2007, 22:04   #11
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Horge, Wingz:

Thank you so much for your inputs. Actually, I am more of a .45 person myself, since this is the caliber I started with and the caliber I learned to compete with. Of course, I never win. Hehehe. However, I have come to that stage in my life where regardless of the dress code, it seems, I can't get to bring myself to carry a big bore gun anymore on a daily basis because of (just speaking for myself) the hassle of putting on a holster, deciding which clothes to wear, having to register at malls after they have searched you and you tell them that you're packing, etc. etc. So much so that it seems that a pocket gun is the best option for someone like me. I started out with a beretta bobcat in .22 cal. which I occasionally carry and guess what? I have been subjected to less and less hassles since it slips easily in my pocket. However, the 22 is not really a manstopper which is why I was thinking of upgrading to the .380, if only for this purpose. Moreover, the price ( of the tanfoglio is so affordable, which is why I was so tempted to buy it, although I haven't really made up my mind yet. I will ask in Armscor if they have arental so I can try it first. Thanks all!
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