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Old 08-13-2007, 06:25   #51
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I think maybe because you are arrogant?

I personally don't need you to train me. I shoot enough IDPA myself. I just wanted to get together with fellow GTers and shoot the bull as well as guns.
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Old 08-13-2007, 11:07   #52
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To be honest, I am LE, and have never competed in any competition. I am sure about everyone in this thread could smoke me.

I don't much care though. My main reason for not competing is money/time.

I'd love to get into it one day though, maybe GSSF.
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Old 08-13-2007, 12:49   #53
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Let's see sgtslwilson, I donated hundreds of hours a year free of charge to any LE that wanted or needed to improve their shooting skills. Guess that makes me arrogant.
Could be I just wanted to help them with a part of their job that could either cost them their life or save their life.
GSD17, if you ever get to Birmingham your match fee is on me. IDPA, while not training, is much better than the "stand and shoot" training I see most of the LE guys get.
I guess what prompted me to offer the same deal to the Hoover PD was after seeing a female officer trying to shoot her weapon at the typical "milk bottle" target. At 10 yards fully half of her rounds were hitting the dirt under the target. Her grip, stance and trigger control were all wrong. I kept waiting for the training officer to correct these issues. He never even saw them.
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Wow.

I am a GA LEO, while our course is no IDPA course, it does at least require: timed firing, kneeling, stepping, combat reloads, headshots, stepping and shouting, drawing and firing... and the like. There is a standard 30rd course, you have to qualify twice a year minimum. You can do that course, or another one if it is harder than the normal one.

Thanks for the invite, one of these days I'd like to get around to competitions. I always enjoy qualifying, even though I ain't the greatest. I did pull off "Top Gun" in my academy class, dunno if it was luck, or pressure.
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GSD, what always bothered me with the Qualification Course is it was designed not to fail LEs. I had several conversations with the guys that ran the course. They told me if they made it any tougher half the force would fail. The indoor range in Norcross was used by 3 Depts. I could always tell when Qualification would be getting close - my cell phone would start ringing. Each of the 3 Depts. provided plenty of free practice ammo and range time for their guys and gals. Most of it went unused.
The sad thing was there were only two guys that I would have felt comfortable with covering me. One of my friends was a Sgt. with Doraville. He met me at the range one day to let me shoot his new issue weapon - FN 57. What a P.O.S.! He got a blank look on his face when I asked him how he liked carrying a gun that would shoot through HIS vest. I think they have since gotten rid of that junk.
I guess I told a small lie in saying that I did the training for free. They kept me stocked up with Ranger Talon. Didn't ask for it. They just gave it to me.
I am going to help a friend of mine, that is the Training Officer with Trussville, come up with some more realistic training.
I did have great fun being the "bad guy" with the Sim Gun over in Atlanta. One "traffic stop" scenario had a rookie approach the car. I popped him twice in the face mask with the gun I was holding against my chest. He yelled "Hey that's not fair." Rest of the guys got a pretty good chuckle with that one.
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Simunitons hurt don't they?

I have a G17T.

Big +1 on not carrying a FN 5.7.

That is the first rule, pick a vest that will stop at least what you carry.

At every fight, there is always at least 1 gun. Yours.
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Umm all I can add to this discusion is that when I used to shoot outside of Montgomery. Our local shooters out performed Autauga County police in their own qualifier!!

At that particular time I think I was a NOVICE in the IDPA


Hey Joe, lets get us a badge!!
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Old 08-16-2007, 21:45   #58
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Umm all I can add to this discusion is that when I used to shoot outside of Montgomery. Our local shooters out performed Autauga County police in their own qualifier!!

At that particular time I think I was a NOVICE in the IDPA


Hey Joe, lets get us a badge!!


I hope you understand there is alot more to the job than firing a weapon better than someone.



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Old 08-16-2007, 23:24   #59
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I hope you understand there is alot more to the job than firing a weapon better than someone.



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Amen. This is in no way directed to be rude, but alot of people love to make fun of how alot of cops aren't gun people.

Granted, most cops are not proficient as they should be with their firearms, I agree with that. but alot are.

It isn't easy to find range time alot. I work a 12 hour shift myself, not counting the drive home and back, getting dressed takes forever to get it to look decent as well. You end up running hours and hours over every day alot of the time, since you just HAD to stop that one last car, that ends up being a DUI.

Then on offdays, city court, state court, superior court, license hearings, administrative hearings, evidence hearings, magistrate court, warrant signings, etc. etc. etc.

Then there are training requirements. Some things we have to do yearly, or twice a year. Agency meetings, in service training that takes hours, days, or weeks depending on the class and its location. I have been in this only a little over a year, and have been all over GA, and even to New Orleans for in service..

PAPERWORK!

Worrying about getting sued every time you turn around.

Legal updates... law changes faster than people change underwear.

We tote alot more than a gun.

Gotta worry about keeping up current training requirements for :
primary sidearm, backup sidearms(s), shotgun, rifle, radar, laser, ASP, OC, Taser, defensive tactics, DUI classes, etc. etc. etc....

There is alot more to being a cop than learning how to shoot, clocking in, writing tickets, and clocking out.

It is an awesome job, but the responsibility, burden on home life, and time/effort it takes just to STAY a cop by keeping up with what the agency/city/county/state/feds require that you keep up with is overwhelming.

Take this for an example. Sometimes I come home to Alabama after work (I usually stay over here in GA).

Say I get up at 3p GA time to go to work... an hour to get ready puts me at 4p, and hour drive gets me there at 5p. Enough time for roll call and to get updated on whats up. Hit the road at 6p. Sometime at night I lock up some turd for running from me. Well, I normallt get off at 6, but now I got to wait around to find a judge to sign my warrant. Try to find a judge that won't scream if you call them at 6am. By 9 I have found a judge and by 10 I am enroute home. Get home, shower, bed by noon. 1:30p judge calls, warrant was dated wrong (even though HE dated it. But I have to go back and get it resigned. So up, dress, drive, hunt judge, sign... BACK again... 24 hour day easily. That is always good IF you don't have to work that night. Which is often.

Or getting off at 6am, having to stay until 9 for court, staying at court until about 4pm, then they come in and say that they plead your case early in the morning, and that you didn't even have to be there. Then you have 2 hours until your 12 hr. night shift starts.

Am I rambling?

I am not complaining, I love every minuite... well almost... of being a polic officer, but it isn't all car chases and shootouts like on TV, and there is alot more to it that being a dead eye.

Still I agree, alot of them out there need to become more proficient with their firearms, their lives, and others depend on it. I just hope yall can see why alot of them arent.
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Let me be the first to say I do appreciate the job the LE's do. It is a somewhat thankless job. I would not do it for the money paid. Most are paid less than teachers. I was a reserve deputy back in the early '70s. Seemed like the regular officers appreciated having another body in the car with them.
Guess that is why I volunteered my time to help them shoot better. Some of the guys recognized that good shooting skills were very important. I fully realize that the vast majority of officers will never be involved in a shooting.
A couple of guys I worked with were involved in shootings. I would like to think my training, in some small part, helped them survive.
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Let me be the first to say I do appreciate the job the LE's do. It is a somewhat thankless job. I would not do it for the money paid. Most are paid less than teachers. I was a reserve deputy back in the early '70s. Seemed like the regular officers appreciated having another body in the car with them.
Guess that is why I volunteered my time to help them shoot better. Some of the guys recognized that good shooting skills were very important. I fully realize that the vast majority of officers will never be involved in a shooting.
A couple of guys I worked with were involved in shootings. I would like to think my training, in some small part, helped them survive.
Great outlook!

I don't think it is as thankless as everyone says. Sure, we aren't heroes like firemen , but there are plenty of folks that let us know we are appreciated, at least around here there are.
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You know what? You are right, that is all there is to being a cop. Learn to shoot, and thats it!









He wasn't trying to say anything rude, just that there is alot more to being a cop than shooting.
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Old 08-21-2007, 08:24   #66
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i just got back from korea during christmas time and havent had a chance to re do my firearm collection yet, but i would greatly enjoy a meet once i get acouple pistols again. can anyone in the montgomery area recomend a good shop for buying firearms?
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Old 08-21-2007, 13:20   #67
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I'd be interested in a GT shoot. In response to your question FM12:

1. I'm in the B'ham area.
2. I could come almost any weekend except for Labor Day weekend and the third weekend in September (15th & 16th).
3. I'm not looking to compete, I just want to shoot. Besides my G27 & G23 aren't up to G34, G35, and 1911 competition standards.
4. I could easily stand $20 or $30 to participate, depending on how much it costs to get where we are going.
5. I'm a graphic designer, so I've got a ton of t-shirts. But make it cool enough and I'd consider it.
6. Membership is understood.

Sounds like a good time if you can get us wrangled together.
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I'm new to this forum and just joined up tonight. I'm a LEO in the B'ham area. I looked around for a "new member" thread, but didn't see anything, so since this thread was local I thought I'd shout out here. G23 and G26 owner, as well as SIG P229. I'd also love to get together and shoot with some local folks if there's an interest.

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Hey AV Cop, welcome to the forum...I'm kinda new myself. What dept do you work for?
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Zhoucifu: Could you do the t-shirts for us? Maybe even design them and have them made? Thanks for the post, BTW! FM12
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Bham PD here. 12 years. Thanks for the response FM12
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Donkey: Welcom back! There's a tactical shop out on the Wetumpka hiway, cant remember the name of it, check the yellow pages...Also, there is a new walter craig store on N. boulevard, their prices are a little high though. Then there's Gulf States, but dont know if they sell to civilans (not knowing you status) I usually have a few for sale and am in Montgomery almost weekly, whatcha looking for?
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I hope this thing takes off.

I have to work every other weekend so my chances are 50%-50%
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AV Cop: Your welcome on the welcome! I work with Greg Wilkey, a retired Bham Fire Captain...he worked in the Fire marshal's office, or something like that did you ever know him? He now works for the State Fire Marshal's Office, as I do.
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Name sounds familiar...I don't think I know him though. Anybody that can do their time here (in Bham) and get out has certainly accomplished something.
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