[TTPower]

hi BOGS, i'm planning to get a 9mm for production division. which is better, cz75 clone by norinco or tanfolgio by armscor?
the norinco is only 14k but extra mags are not yet available. the tangolgio by armscor is around 22k and all the parts are imported from italy. which would u prefer and why? On the down side, they both only have 15rnds? Isnt dat a handicap compared to glock17's 17 rounds?

[Valor1]

IN terms of workmanship, Tanfoglio is the better choice. Nothing bad with the Norinco Cz75 clone but you'd rather get the real Cz75. If the time comes that you get tired of your Cz, the resale value is still high. In the case of the Norinco clone, no one will buy you at the price near your acquisition cost. The Norinco also needs a lot of polishing thus ending up with additional expense.

[antediluvianist]

"On the down side, they both only have 15rnds? Isnt dat a handicap compared to glock17's 17 rounds?"

In a practical sense, the 2 round difference means very little. Fifteen is a lot already.

But if magazine capacity is a major consideration for you - you must have a lot of rough neighbors - get the Glock and buy the 30-round (or is it 32?) long magazine.

[horge]

Maybe he's thinking games (IPSC, IDPA, etc...)

But to echo ante: 15 rounds is plenty.
I've only ever had to shoot in self defense once.
Three shots, and the last two were, I guess, pretty unnecessary.
Don't really care to say more than that about the incident.

I don't feel underequipped with just 7 in the mag and one in the pipe.
But that's just me. You can always get extra mags, neh?

[TTPower]

Originally posted by antediluvianist


But if magazine capacity is a major consideration for you - you must have a lot of rough neighbors - get the Glock and buy the 30-round (or is it 32?) long magazine.

ante, horge is right i'm planning to use it mainly for ipsc production division hehehehehe but thanks for the reply

[TTPower]

Originally posted by Valor1
IN terms of workmanship, Tanfoglio is the better choice. Nothing bad with the Norinco Cz75 clone but you'd rather get the real Cz75. If the time comes that you get tired of your Cz, the resale value is still high. In the case of the Norinco clone, no one will buy you at the price near your acquisition cost. The Norinco also needs a lot of polishing thus ending up with additional expense.

good point Valor1 thanks

[Pepe308]

Norinco CZ clone isn't bad at all, you just need to practice with it. The sandy feeling when racking the slide goes away after shooting hundreds of rounds and it doesn't affect reliability NIB. CZ and Jericho mags fit. You're good to go with a triggerjob which I believe everyone does.

[Poodle]

Tried the Armscor Tanfoglio 9 mm. Yung all metal na 2ng gen. Ok naman siya. Very accurate. Haven't tried the Norinco CZ clone. Very attractive ang price at 14T ng Norinco.

[Capt.Barbel]

ttpower, im using the armscor tanfoglio AP9 all steel. yung stock mag nya is 17 rounds na.

[TTPower]

Originally posted by Poodle
Tried the Armscor Tanfoglio 9 mm. Yung all metal na 2ng gen. Ok naman siya. Very accurate. Haven't tried the Norinco CZ clone. Very attractive ang price at 14T ng Norinco.

yup 14K for a CZ clone is really tempting thats why hirap mag decide! mas mura pa sa cellphone! hahahaha

[ahtsay]

ttpower, mag standard ka nalang Mas exciting kasi madami tayo.

[TTPower]

kaya nga ayaw ko pumunta sa gunshow e! everytime na lang may gusto ka bilhin kahit di mo kelangan sobrang tempting yung norinco 14k lng.... wala kasi ako for production (palusot para bumili hahahahahaha )

[Hermo Gut]

Originally posted by Pepe308
Norinco CZ clone isn't bad at all, you just need to practice with it. The sandy feeling when racking the slide goes away after shooting hundreds of rounds and it doesn't affect reliability NIB. CZ and Jericho mags fit. You're good to go with a triggerjob which I believe everyone does to their guns.

+1. Although may reputasyon na ang Tanfoglio as competition gun and maraming shooter gumagamit nito (like world champion Eric Grauffel)dahil maganda rin ang quality (out of the box) made in Italy pa! Norinco pang harabas and you'll spend time polishing and fine tuning the rough parts (but it will work also). Quality lang talaga ng steel ang angat sa Norinco.

[TTPower]

hhhmmmmm.... malapit na ko ma-convince to get the tanfolgio keep the feedbacks coming hehehehehe

[antediluvianist]

Here's another reason. Feel the grips of the Tanfoglio and the Glock.

The Tan's grip feels good. The Glock grip feels not nearly as comfortable.Not nearly.

[TTPower]

Originally posted by antediluvianist
Here's another reason. Feel the grips of the Tanfoglio and the Glock.

The Tan's grip feels good. The Glock grip feels not nearly as comfortable.Not nearly.

yup i find the rubber grips of the tanfoglio comfortable compared to the plastic grips of the norinco. same reason why i have a hogue handall grip on my glock

[New_comer]

Originally posted by TTPower
yup i find the rubber grips of the tanfoglio comfortable compared to the plastic grips of the norinco. same reason why i have a hogue handall grip on my glock

May pang-IPSC production ka na pala e. Mas maigi kung 1911 STD division ka na nga laang (pampagulo... hehehe)

[TTPower]

Originally posted by New_comer
May pang-IPSC production ka na pala e. Mas maigi kung 1911 STD division ka na nga laang (pampagulo... hehehe)

may 1911 hi-cap na ko for standard production wala pa. glock23 yung glock e lugi if i use it for production hehehehe

[Allegra]

they are both of the same design

quality ng finish hindi importante , kasi dadalin mo rin yan sa gunsmith para itono

what you shoul;d look at is yung tibay ng baril
It's gonna be shot a lot, dryfired , speed reloaded , dropped,drawn etc

I'm a little disapointed w/ the current CZ
It's a great pistol pero my friends guns are giving probems
Mine doesnt kahit bugbug na, pero it was an issue gun sa Team CZ /PB nun so I dont know kung iba quality nya

If I were to buy a production gun now , di ko rin alam kung an pipiliin ko hehe
Probably a glock w/ 3 extra slides

[New_comer]

Why not the Taurus PT92, yung beretta clone? 17+1 din yun at may local support. Meron din yung sig clone, PT915 ata yun. Matibay na, maganda pa, lalu na yung stainless

[TTPower]

Originally posted by New_comer
Why not the Taurus PT92, yung beretta clone? 17+1 din yun at may local support. Meron din yung sig clone, PT915 ata yun. Matibay na, maganda pa, lalu na yung stainless

maganda kasi yung grip ng tanfoglio fits my hand perfectly....even better than my glock. and mura kasi yung norinco 14k and yung tanfolgio 22k lng wala na ata mas mura pa hehehehe how much ba yun pt92?

[New_comer]

Originally posted by TTPower
maganda kasi yung grip ng tanfoglio fits my hand perfectly....even better than my glock. and mura kasi yung norinco 14k and yung tanfolgio 22k lng wala na ata mas mura pa hehehehe how much ba yun pt92?

TT,

The grips of all other guns are BETTER than a glock's 2x2 profile...

Nasa 25th lang ata yung stainless. Aircraft alloy kaya ang gaan. Yung sa kasama ko, higit 20,000 rounds fired over 8 years, minsan lang nagkaproblema nung maupod ang sear. Tapos ausin ng Trust trade (libre lang ata yun) ratrat ulit!

[Pepe308]

BTW, the Norinco clone is 15+1 only but at 14k, you get to spend the other petots to bullets and rig just like how I started.

[Capt.Barbel]

Originally posted by antediluvianist
Here's another reason. Feel the grips of the Tanfoglio and the Glock.

The Tan's grip feels good. The Glock grip feels not nearly as comfortable.Not nearly.

+1

[HEAVY]

Originally posted by Pepe308
BTW, the Norinco clone is 15+1 only but at 14k, you get to spend the other petots to bullets, triggerjob and rig just like how I started.

if you're going to use it for production class, you're not supposed to do any mods to it.

not even a trigger job.