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Old 02-27-2009, 23:27   #551
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About 2 years ago my son was in the garage at the Rampart Casino in Summerlin. While exiting his car 2 men jumped him and put a gun to his head. He had nothing but a few dollars, a cell phone, and camera. Thank GOD they took those items and didn't harm him. My son is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs but without a weapon and training to be aware of your surroundings he was helpless.

I thought about the incident for a week, discussed it with my wife and we both agreed to get an 870 pump for HD and 2 Glocks along with CCW permits for both of us.

Being 66 yo I'm starting to realize I'm getting older and can't defend myself as I could when younger. I feel much better with my sidearm and I'm so use to carrying I never leave home without it.
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Old 02-27-2009, 23:55   #552
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laws in my state were ambiguous. as I read them, you had to transport firearms in a locked case, separate from the ammo, inaccessible to the driver. I had a truck with an open bed, no locking glove compartment or console, and there was no place in it that I could put anything that I considered 'inaccessible'to me. For a while ('til we became 'shall issue'), I would call before I went anywhere with my guns, get the name of a LEO that I talked with and explained the issue to, in case I got stopped and hassled. I didn't worry about that too much, I was never a trouble amker or anything, not doing anything wrong and all, but still - wanted to comply with the law, especially regarding guns, as I didn't want to give up my rights.

I really got into shooting after taking the CCW class. I was with a bunch of self-proclaimed heavy equipment operators, former LEO's, former military, etc. etc. WHen it came to me (during the brief 'who are you and why are you here' go-around), I could hear the chuckles and wink-wink nudge-nudges from all the Mr. Machos (I am 6'4", 220, no slouch) as I stated that I was a licensed master socil worker, what I did (lots of exposure to the absolute worst areas of Detroit and other parts of MI). The class leader had the right attitude, though, put the laughers off, said it was great to have people from all walks, wanted to join everyone to the right side.

Come range time, the tables were turned, unexpectedly. The couple guys that would even stand near me were telling me this, telling me that about my gun, how to shoot, etc. I listened, but obviously some were nuts (I had been shooting 'correctly' (safely) and well for a long time). I thought they were joking when they said we would first be shooting at 7 feet, rounds into a pie plate, wait for the RO to come watch you. I was last in the line, watched all the machos, for the most part, take careful aim and fiddle with their 1911's, and forget the commands, and then get most of their shots on the plate...I'm thinking - WTF? are they screwing around? I guess it IS cold out here, but geez. A couple guys had never fired a handgun before, or any gun, and were there with their brand-new, unfired guns. A couple guys could not get on paper at 7 feet!!!! Scary...

Finally, RO gets to me, I ask if he cares if I shoot more than 5 or how fast...he kind of looks sideways at me, I assure him I know what I am doing, he okays me, I chew a ragged hole in the paper. I could hear the necks snapping as the Mr. Machos bolted to attention, and the RO laughed out loud, and grabbed my paper plate, and took it to the loudest Mr. Macho-laugher guy - told himhe had to eat his lunch off that plate, laughing for a long time. Lots of guys comingup to me..."uh..what did you say you do again? What are you shooting? those special loads or something?"

I had a great time. Lots of sour faces from the rest of the crowd, but no more laughs. Figured it was somethign I was better at than I realized (I had always been frustrated at how poorly I was doing, but always had shot from at least 25 yards. Guess I learned more than I thought.

SO, there's my long story about why I have a CPL.
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Old 02-28-2009, 00:17   #553
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When I was in my early teens I was watching a 20/20 or something on ABC that was covering an incident where an armed man went into a restaurant and basically executed most of the patrons that were eating there. I can't remember where it was but many of you may remember it. The story featured many people who were advocates of carrying weapons for self protection, and this story had a deep impact on me after seeing so many heartfelt accounts of people who were helpless and had to watch others die instead of being able to do something about it.

I guess this story always stuck with me and when I was a college freshman our instructor was talking about a ccw law being newly passed in Nebraska. This caught my interest and once I had the funds I took the class, bought two Glocks, and obtained my permit. It has been one of the best decisions I have ever made.
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:29   #554
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When I was in my early teens I was watching a 20/20 or something on ABC that was covering an incident where an armed man went into a restaurant and basically executed most of the patrons that were eating there. I can't remember where it was but many of you may remember it. The story featured many people who were advocates of carrying weapons for self protection, and this story had a deep impact on me after seeing so many heartfelt accounts of people who were helpless and had to watch others die instead of being able to do something about it.

I guess this story always stuck with me and when I was a college freshman our instructor was talking about a ccw law being newly passed in Nebraska. This caught my interest and once I had the funds I took the class, bought two Glocks, and obtained my permit. It has been one of the best decisions I have ever made.
Welcome to the forum, Herr Kuebler.

The incident you're recalling is the Massacre at Luby's Cafe in Killeen, Texas, in 1991. Here's Wikipedia's account of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

furioso2112, that was a great account of your CCW class. Thanks for sharing!
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Old 02-28-2009, 08:30   #555
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As krab said, training to be aware of your surroundings.

Carry or not, the most important thing to learn or teach. If you are a victim, chances are you were watched first. Something about the watcher should have drawn your attention. Armed or not, when they jump you there's not much time to react. Learn to spot trouble, or potential trouble, and put distance between you and it. Distance means time to get away or respond accordingly.

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Old 02-28-2009, 10:32   #556
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Patronus, did you think back on August 31, 2007 that your thread would be so successful? Over 550 posts later, and approaching 50,000 views, it is still going strong.

Thank you, again, for establishing what may be the cornerstone thread for Carry Issues.

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Old 03-01-2009, 08:58   #557
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Patronus, did you think back on August 31, 2007 that your thread would be so successful? Over 550 posts later, and approaching 50,000 views, it is still going strong.

Thank you, again, for establishing what may be the cornerstone thread for Carry Issues.

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You're very welcome, Russ. I'm very gratified at the thread's results and that it continues to grow.

It's pretty obvious in my early posts that I was BUMPing it in an effort to keep it alive, and I think with the volume of new threads here in Carry Issues, this one would be long gone today if it weren't for the Sticky. So I have you to thank for that, Russ, along with anyone who may have suggested the Sticky.

Also, Russ, you've kept the subject matter on track throughout the life of the thread, which has helped immensely. Still, with so many posts, it's a credit to fellow Glock Talkers that the overwhelming majority of posts have been on-topic and have provided us all with a great resource of personal accounts regarding the subject.

Keep 'em coming!
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Old 03-01-2009, 18:34   #558
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Welcome to the forum, Herr Kuebler.

The incident you're recalling is the Massacre at Luby's Cafe in Killeen, Texas, in 1991. Here's Wikipedia's account of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

furioso2112, that was a great account of your CCW class. Thanks for sharing!
I hope the end smilies are because you got a laugh from the macho-types' one-uppings and were supporting that shooters from all walks get into it...

I guess if you got a laugh for any other reason, it's good, too.

This is an outstanding thread topic, I have enjoyed reading other's stories. Reminds me why I did it - hadn't remembered my 'story' in a long time.

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Old 03-01-2009, 18:39   #559
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After Katrina we had a severe rise in our crime rate in Huntsville, AL. It seemed as thought there was someone getting shot every week around here(believe me that was out of the norm). Then there was an incident at a Friday's restaurant where this man walked in and shot two men in the head when someone made a look at his girlfriend. One of the men he shot was a cousin of his girlfriend. At that point I decided it was to easy too get my pistol permit and not have one.
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I hope the end smilies are because you got a laugh from the macho-types' one-uppings and were supporting that shooters from all walks get into it...

I guess if you got a laugh for any other reason, it's good, too.

This is an outstanding thread topic, I have enjoyed reading other's stories. Reminds me why I did it - hadn't remembered my 'story' in a long time.

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Finally, RO gets to me, I ask if he cares if I shoot more than 5 or how fast...he kind of looks sideways at me, I assure him I know what I am doing, he okays me, I chew a ragged hole in the paper. I could hear the necks snapping as the Mr. Machos bolted to attention, and the RO laughed out loud, and grabbed my paper plate, and took it to the loudest Mr. Macho-laugher guy - told himhe had to eat his lunch off that plate, laughing for a long time. Lots of guys comingup to me..."uh..what did you say you do again? What are you shooting? those special loads or something?"
That's what got me laughing out loud. Awesome. You just can't make that stuff up. It belongs in a movie or something. Really, that's a classic.

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Old 03-05-2009, 20:40   #561
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After getting hit in the head and knocked out and robbed in 2002. I deceided to get my concealed permit. I am 73 years old and still carry my G19.
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Old 03-06-2009, 18:04   #563
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The first time you get a 9mm pointed at your head and you get robbed you decide that is the last time. So I now carry locked and loaded.
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Old 03-08-2009, 16:07   #564
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I was born in Akron, raised in Detroit and live in Cleveland... it's a no-brainer.
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Two punks living in the apartment above me were making constant noise and I lodged numerous complaints with the property manager. I heard they were going to "get" me so I took CCW. Now any time I walk from the parking lot to my unit I feel a little better and safer.
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Two punks living in the apartment above me were making constant noise and I lodged numerous complaints with the property manager. I heard they were going to "get" me so I took CCW. Now any time I walk from the parking lot to my unit I feel a little better and safer.
I would be moving ASAP.
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Old 03-09-2009, 16:08   #567
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I'm just seventeen years old. I do everything I can to defend myself as best I can at all times, but of course you can't bring a knife to a gun fight and expect to do much.

'Till then though, I will just have to hope that guys and gals like you are nearby...

Thank you all.
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Old 03-09-2009, 16:25   #568
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I bought my first .38 as I was working to get my get my abusive husband (now ex) out of the house. I kept it with me at all times and hidden from him. He had tried to strangle me and yes it was serious. He plead out with my help...typical behavior of an abused woman. I was in no position to have him removed without securing a job, bank account, cell phone, etc...I'm not the same person now and I am a survivor in every way.

As time went on and he was removed by Ex Parte he has continued to harass and threaten me. I then decided that I had to be able to protect myself away from my home. I traded the Charter for a S&W .38, bought a couple more home defense type weapons and took the required training.

He is UNAWARE of my status and it shall remain so. Never tip your hand to the bad guy.I don't just focus on one threat though. Given the rise of crime in my area it is wise to look at random acts of violence as a potential risk.

I was on a ride along last Saturday and a female soldier who had filed for divorce from her husband was murdered while I was on the day shift. He had been arrested the night before for domestic assault and released a few hours later on a COR. He found her, stabbed her and was picked up on the interstate with her in the vehicle. It sure hits home for me and my prayers go out to her family. She was only 18 and had finally seen the light. Too bad she trusted the words, "I'm not going to hurt you, just let me in."

She was on leave to take care of the paperwork and was actually looking forward to going back to the war zone.

This is why I carry.

[This is an important topic and annieO09 makes it very easy to understand why it is important. I thank her for being so open and forthright.
I feel so strongly about it, I gave annieO09 her own thread.
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1017826
Thanks again!
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Old 03-09-2009, 17:22   #569
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No special incident here. Lived in Dallas when I became a citizen, and decided it was time to be able to protect myself.
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Don't have it yet but plan on it. My reasons:

1) New/firstime owner, taking some training first anyhow. Need to make time to practice a couple times a month for sure.
2) Current and future regulations.
3) Wife works with bad people, they know her name. Home security is a concern.
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+1 best reason!

When I moved to a shall issue state I got my permit and when it came time to relocate I chose to live in another state that respects my right to K&B arms.

In my opinion everyone should have a permit (if they can).
Same here. I moved from the communist state of Massachusetts to the free state of Arizona, and after finding a job, the first thing I did was buy a gun. Four weeks later took a CCW class and now I'm armed everywhere I go.
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I live in Las Vegas. Do I need to say more?
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When I moved out of my parents house and into another state...one of the last things my father told me was to "buy a gun to protect yourself....ect" so thats what I did. Funny thing is he told me this AFTER I moved far away from Detroit lol.
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Old 03-11-2009, 23:43   #574
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Old 03-11-2009, 23:54   #575
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I was always exposed to guns as a kid. My dad wasn't a gun nut, but he had a handful. There were a few times that I can remember when he needed to use one.

1. We used to live next to a plant nursery. I was really little, I remember my dad getting wound up and my mom getting really anxious. I don't know what tipped him off, but he went outside, through the gate into the nursery and held a man at gunpoint with his dad's old Browning auto shotgun. There was a police helicopter in the air with a search light in the field. I think my dad was holding him until the cops got there, or keeping him out of our yard. I need to ask him about that...

2. Another time, another house, we heard some noises at the back door. My dad grabbed the only pistol he had, a '76 Ruger Mark II, went to the door and yelled something at someone, told him we hear him, and he better get the hell out of our yard or he'll shoot.

3. The most memorable. I was about 12 now. My dad and I were on vacation in Atlanta to a Braves game weekend. We were staying at a modest motel, not trashy, but not posh either. I remember waking up to my dad looking out the peep hole on the door. Then I heard someone beating on the door so hard I could see it moving. Some drunk had the wrong room and thought his lady friend was in there. My dad kept telling him he had the wrong room, but he wouldn't listen. He kept on and on, getting more and more belligerent. Finally my dad cracked the door with his foot bracing, and latch in place, stuck the barrel of his pistol out and told him, 'Buddy, you've got the wrong room...' Things got real quiet after that, the guy apologized and left.

4. A short time after number 3, him and his buddy got their permits, and both bought Glock 23s. This was when they were new to everyone. Being a young boy I was hooked.

It always made sense to me to have a defensive tool handy.

I got serious about gun ownership when I was about 24. I bought a few handguns and got my permit all within a few months. I was young and dumb for a while, 18-24, just being a kid. I started paying more attention to the news, and started reading about crime happening on familiar streets and in places I frequent. I'm 27 now, I have lived with my girlfriend for about 3 years, and she had never touched a gun before me. She now has her own Taurus 605 snubby, and is getting her permit next week over spring break. Might even ditch the snubby and get a G26. She grabs it when she gets freaked out at home alone. She isn't afraid to use it. She has a big heart, loves to help people and animals. She's a nursing student. But she has the same mentality I do. The instant you step foot in my house or try to bring harm to me or my loved ones, you've made the decision to risk your life.

I carry a lot, but less than I should. The recent spike in crime definitely has me more alert and armed than usual. I'm slowly working it in to a 24/7 habit. I don't really go anywhere other than work and school. But I make sure I have it everywhere else. Thankfully my state (FL) is a mecca for concealed and gun rights in general. I hope to God it stays that way forever. I vote!

Great thread, and great stories! I read them ALL!
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