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Old 02-17-2009, 13:15   #481
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Picked up my CCW soon after starting work building a commercial office. Office was stripped of all copper in the building stages and I found myself spending many late nights over there just sitting I own a business where I often stay late into the wee hours of the morning finishing paperwork, and there is a ghetto section 8 apartment complex just a stones throw away.
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Old 02-17-2009, 13:22   #482
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I've been facinated by firearms since age 5.

Grew up around them. I like to have a gun close by as much as possible...so it was just a natural thing.
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Old 02-17-2009, 13:42   #483
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Defining Moments - What made YOU decide to CCW?

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I copied this to its own thread in Carry Issues. It is a good story about how wrong things get. - RussP
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In 2004 we had a stalker. We took him to court and he was ordered to stay away. Kept getting calls. Changed our phone # to unlisted. Managed to get into our garage, called his own cell phone from our garage phone and had our # again. I ordered a G19 from an online dealer and hoped I could protect the wife and daughter. At 5:45am on 9/1/2004 I was 30 minutes from the house and he broke in. My daughter called my cell in absolute terror telling me he was breaking in the back door. I will never forget that call and can replay it live in my head. I got her to hang up and call 911 at the same time I did. Got to the house in about 20 minutes and it was over. The police were there and actually told me that most of the time they were nothing more than historians.

He got in and my wife fought. They struggled in the hallway by the kitchen and into the garage. He was trying to drag her out. My 16 year old daughter was trying to stab him with a steak knife. She was knocked into the wall and the fight wound up in the yard. He picked up my wife and carried her out of the garage. She was kicking and screaming. They fell and he started dragging her. She is in social services and was taught to fight and not to stand if pulled upon. Fall down. She did just that. She realised he was trying to get her away from the house and figured he was taking her to a car. She fought like a maniac. Lights started coming on and he finally panicked and ran. Swat caught him later and took him to jail. 7 months later he plea bargained and got 8 years. He is in Moore Haven Correctional Facility till 7/18/2011. In Florida you have to serve, I believe, 95% of your sentence.

In 10/2004 I got my CHL. I practice, have joined defensive handgun groups (I recommend this to all) and absolutely dread 7/18/2011. I hope he stays away.

You never get over this. As an aftermath, when I'm out of town she sits with a 442. I carry always. I now own 4 glocks, a 12 guage, a PM9, a 642, a 442, an AR15 and a Sub2000 (for camping). We also have a taser and all have pepper spray. I leave the house, stop and scan my surroundings. I look over my shoulder when I walk in parking lots. I wonder if I will be up to the task if needed. I preach safety to my now 21 year old daughter. Look in your car before you get in, look in a store before you go in, don't walk close to parked cars and watch them as you pass, be aware, be aware, be aware. Her fiance mailed off his application for his CHL the other day. The wife got her CHL this year and now I have to get her carrying before 2011. You wonder what friends he has made in prison. Are they out to do him a favor.

These guys will always be criminals. We wander through life in a bliss. They are always plotting and exploiting weakness. They are deviats as you can not imagine. Unfortunately the victims will always suffer as victims. When the crime is over the nightmares go on. As men, we must protect our families. And if we are not there they must be able to protect themselves.

Oh, and all of the above happened in minutes.

And this is why I read Glock Talk. It helps me feel more prepared and less inadequate.

Sorry, I got a little carried away. Wild story, huh? It is my why.

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Old 02-18-2009, 22:23   #484
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During my junior year of high school, for our final English project, we had to take a position on an issue and defend it with an exhaustively researched paper. I chose gun control (broadly) and concealed carry (specifically). After reading many books, articles, etc. on the subject, I came to the conclusion that concealed carry is extremely beneficial to the crime rate. The crime rate tends to have an inverse relationship to the carry rate. Therefore, I feel I have a civic duty to carry, and I will be getting my carry permit the second that I am able (still 20).
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Old 02-19-2009, 02:06   #485
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First of all, thanks for posting this thread question. This would be a good thread for anti-gunners to read to get more insight into what makes us CCWers tick. My intro to guns: I was a weatherman on hurricane missions in the Air Force and had to carry a S&W snubby under my arm pit in case anyone wanted to highjack the weather planes I flew on. I went to the firing range once and sort of enjoyed shooting at targets. But when I left the service at age 22, I didn't care about guns. In fact, I thought that anyone who carried one that wasn't required to carry one might have a screw loose or be paranoid, or whatever. I more or less held this thought until I was about 50, though I was never against peoples' right to arm themselves. I lived in metro areas most of my life and had the false sense of security that some folks get from seeing uniformed police officers on the streets. I wound up getting sick of living in the city, sold my condo, and prepared to move to a rural area. Oddly enough, I immediately told myself that I should get a gun for my home when I moved. The notion that cops weren't going to be all around the place caused me to think a gun would now be a good thing. Pretty hypocritical on my part to go from thinking people who carried were wacky to thinking very matter of factly that I ought to get a gun for living in the sticks. I knew I wasn't going to arm myself until I trained with semi-autos of all sizes, shotguns and even revolvers, although I'd had a little experience (one days shooting to qualify) with one in the Air Force. I believed then as I believe now that people who do exercise their 2nd Amendment Rights but refuse to educate and or train with the weapons they'll be harboring are part of the reason anti-gunners have viable arguments at times. I digress. After living in the sticks for about six months, a woman and her daughter were shot execution style on a trail in the county I moved to. I live in an area where there are trails and everytime I've ever walked them, I always thought about how easy it would be for someone to do something stupid to another person and get away with it. I especially thought about this after hearing about the woman and her daughter who were executed while hiking. The case was never solved. That was the incident that reminded me that I ought to get a gun. But now I was thinking CCW versus just a gun for my home. About six months more went buy and I lost the home I'd just purchased in a flood. The river rerouted near where I lived, took my home and my neighbor's home, and left about a dozen of my neighbors with riverfront property that we'd never asked for. The chances of what happened happening were very slim. The people who lived near me preferred it because it was somewhat close, but much further than other neighbors from the river. It had flooded before many times over the years and the homes in my area were just fine. I felt totally violated. I'd made a prudent decision when buying the home, but the river changed course freakishly and did what no one around here would have expected. Just as someone can be walking on a trail on a beautiful day and out of the blue comes some nutjob and executes them. So, it was the combination of 1) Moving to a rural area. 2) Hearing a horrible news flash about two innocent women being executed on a trail in the same county I lived and hiked in. 3) Being the victim of something catastrophic and unprecendented in my immediate area (raped by Mother Nature), which resulted in feelings of extreme vulnerability; I think this is what really tipped the scales for me, losing everything without any fault of my own or taking any forseeable risk. There was nothing I could do to control the events that happened suddenly to me. I'm sure victims of random stabbings or shootings feel the same way. I also believe that being over the age of 50 may have had something to do with my decision for CCW. When I was younger, I felt a lot tougher and like less of a target, I guess. After the flood, I then hopped online and started learning everything I could about the guns available today and which ones might be right for me. A younger aquaintence of mine had just retired from special forces and he told me in no uncertain terms to get a shotgun and a Glock 19. I enrolled in a great basic gun training class for 150 bucks and bought a Glock 19, a Smith & Wesson stainless snubby, and a Remington LE Shotgun. I carry daily and I fire ALL my weapons just up the road in an area where people do so into the side of a hill. I practice drawing and shooting whenever I want without paying for a shooting range, or having to inhale the fumes as one has to at an indoor range. Rural life is nice that way. Having lived out here for 3 years now, 2 of those years with guns, I laugh at myself for thinking guns are less necessary in metro areas. If anything, the opposite is probably true. A friend of mine in the big city thinks I'm a nut now and can't figure out why I pack my guns into the city. "Because this is where the real crime is," I tell him. Then I tell him that there's a lot of highway between the city and where I live and if I break down on the side of the road, guns and cell phones are good things. LOL. This from a guy who used to think CCWers were goofy. In addition to carrying guns I now even wear or display one of these pro-gun t-shirts and bumperstickers that I got at Lawfirm1, Lawfirm2 and Lawfirm3 LOL again.
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Old 02-20-2009, 11:08   #486
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The world seems to be going crazy.
I went to buy 9mm and .40 S&W ammunition this week. Homestead, Kendall and Hialeah Wal-Marts were all out of 9mm, only a little 40 available. Finally bought 2K of 9 @ bass pro in Doral, I got the last 2K of bulk packs.

In the last month I have taken two newbies to the range (co-workers) and have made plans to go with an orthopedic surgeon I am friends with. I never though him to be the type to have any interest in CCW or buying a handgun. I am all for helping those who have never shot before. The more firearms owners we have, the more the politicians fear us.

Obama seems to be the biggest gun salesman ever!

Anyone else having problems finding ammunition? I have NEVER not found WWB 9mm or 40 at wal-mart before.

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Old 02-20-2009, 21:00   #487
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All I need to say is that I watch the news everyday, and refuse to be a victim.
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Old 02-20-2009, 22:47   #488
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I got my just mine for home defense and target never intended to carry out side.
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Old 02-23-2009, 14:36   #489
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1. Avoids any debate/confusion while traveling with my gun.
2. "Looks" better in case I ever have to use my gun.
3. Most importantly, I decided that my personal safety is my responsibility alone. Like I read in another thread, you can't fit a cop in your pocket.
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:02   #490
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Several years ago, an employee that lost it on an out of town job and was terminated, triggered the desire to obtain mine. This former employee got really paranoid and thought other co-workers were out to get him. So much so that he wouldn't come out of his hotel room and later threatened the job site supervisor with a knife. He knew where I lived and had been to my house. Needless to say, I pursued and obtained my CCW shortly there after.
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Old 02-25-2009, 09:08   #491
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For me, it is better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

I don't feel at high risk. There are softer targets out there but when it is your time to dance, you better be ready.

Some people will go their entire life and never need a gun, some will need it several times in their life. I hope to be in the group that never needs it but I just don't know for sure.
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Old 02-28-2009, 00:27   #492
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About 2 years ago my son was in the garage at the Rampart Casino in Summerlin. While exiting his car 2 men jumped him and put a gun to his head. He had nothing but a few dollars, a cell phone, and camera. Thank GOD they took those items and didn't harm him. My son is 6' 1" and weighs 200 lbs but without a weapon and training to be aware of your surroundings he was helpless.

I thought about the incident for a week, discussed it with my wife and we both agreed to get an 870 pump for HD and 2 Glocks along with CCW permits for both of us.

Being 66 yo I'm starting to realize I'm getting older and can't defend myself as I could when younger. I feel much better with my sidearm and I'm so use to carrying I never leave home without it.
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Old 02-28-2009, 00:55   #493
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laws in my state were ambiguous. as I read them, you had to transport firearms in a locked case, separate from the ammo, inaccessible to the driver. I had a truck with an open bed, no locking glove compartment or console, and there was no place in it that I could put anything that I considered 'inaccessible'to me. For a while ('til we became 'shall issue'), I would call before I went anywhere with my guns, get the name of a LEO that I talked with and explained the issue to, in case I got stopped and hassled. I didn't worry about that too much, I was never a trouble amker or anything, not doing anything wrong and all, but still - wanted to comply with the law, especially regarding guns, as I didn't want to give up my rights.

I really got into shooting after taking the CCW class. I was with a bunch of self-proclaimed heavy equipment operators, former LEO's, former military, etc. etc. WHen it came to me (during the brief 'who are you and why are you here' go-around), I could hear the chuckles and wink-wink nudge-nudges from all the Mr. Machos (I am 6'4", 220, no slouch) as I stated that I was a licensed master socil worker, what I did (lots of exposure to the absolute worst areas of Detroit and other parts of MI). The class leader had the right attitude, though, put the laughers off, said it was great to have people from all walks, wanted to join everyone to the right side.

Come range time, the tables were turned, unexpectedly. The couple guys that would even stand near me were telling me this, telling me that about my gun, how to shoot, etc. I listened, but obviously some were nuts (I had been shooting 'correctly' (safely) and well for a long time). I thought they were joking when they said we would first be shooting at 7 feet, rounds into a pie plate, wait for the RO to come watch you. I was last in the line, watched all the machos, for the most part, take careful aim and fiddle with their 1911's, and forget the commands, and then get most of their shots on the plate...I'm thinking - WTF? are they screwing around? I guess it IS cold out here, but geez. A couple guys had never fired a handgun before, or any gun, and were there with their brand-new, unfired guns. A couple guys could not get on paper at 7 feet!!!! Scary...

Finally, RO gets to me, I ask if he cares if I shoot more than 5 or how fast...he kind of looks sideways at me, I assure him I know what I am doing, he okays me, I chew a ragged hole in the paper. I could hear the necks snapping as the Mr. Machos bolted to attention, and the RO laughed out loud, and grabbed my paper plate, and took it to the loudest Mr. Macho-laugher guy - told himhe had to eat his lunch off that plate, laughing for a long time. Lots of guys comingup to me..."uh..what did you say you do again? What are you shooting? those special loads or something?"

I had a great time. Lots of sour faces from the rest of the crowd, but no more laughs. Figured it was somethign I was better at than I realized (I had always been frustrated at how poorly I was doing, but always had shot from at least 25 yards. Guess I learned more than I thought.

SO, there's my long story about why I have a CPL.
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When I was in my early teens I was watching a 20/20 or something on ABC that was covering an incident where an armed man went into a restaurant and basically executed most of the patrons that were eating there. I can't remember where it was but many of you may remember it. The story featured many people who were advocates of carrying weapons for self protection, and this story had a deep impact on me after seeing so many heartfelt accounts of people who were helpless and had to watch others die instead of being able to do something about it.

I guess this story always stuck with me and when I was a college freshman our instructor was talking about a ccw law being newly passed in Nebraska. This caught my interest and once I had the funds I took the class, bought two Glocks, and obtained my permit. It has been one of the best decisions I have ever made.
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When I was in my early teens I was watching a 20/20 or something on ABC that was covering an incident where an armed man went into a restaurant and basically executed most of the patrons that were eating there. I can't remember where it was but many of you may remember it. The story featured many people who were advocates of carrying weapons for self protection, and this story had a deep impact on me after seeing so many heartfelt accounts of people who were helpless and had to watch others die instead of being able to do something about it.

I guess this story always stuck with me and when I was a college freshman our instructor was talking about a ccw law being newly passed in Nebraska. This caught my interest and once I had the funds I took the class, bought two Glocks, and obtained my permit. It has been one of the best decisions I have ever made.
Welcome to the forum, Herr Kuebler.

The incident you're recalling is the Massacre at Luby's Cafe in Killeen, Texas, in 1991. Here's Wikipedia's account of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

furioso2112, that was a great account of your CCW class. Thanks for sharing!
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Old 02-28-2009, 09:30   #496
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As krab said, training to be aware of your surroundings.

Carry or not, the most important thing to learn or teach. If you are a victim, chances are you were watched first. Something about the watcher should have drawn your attention. Armed or not, when they jump you there's not much time to react. Learn to spot trouble, or potential trouble, and put distance between you and it. Distance means time to get away or respond accordingly.

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Welcome to the forum, Herr Kuebler.

The incident you're recalling is the Massacre at Luby's Cafe in Killeen, Texas, in 1991. Here's Wikipedia's account of it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luby%27s_massacre

furioso2112, that was a great account of your CCW class. Thanks for sharing!
I hope the end smilies are because you got a laugh from the macho-types' one-uppings and were supporting that shooters from all walks get into it...

I guess if you got a laugh for any other reason, it's good, too.

This is an outstanding thread topic, I have enjoyed reading other's stories. Reminds me why I did it - hadn't remembered my 'story' in a long time.

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After Katrina we had a severe rise in our crime rate in Huntsville, AL. It seemed as thought there was someone getting shot every week around here(believe me that was out of the norm). Then there was an incident at a Friday's restaurant where this man walked in and shot two men in the head when someone made a look at his girlfriend. One of the men he shot was a cousin of his girlfriend. At that point I decided it was to easy too get my pistol permit and not have one.
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After getting hit in the head and knocked out and robbed in 2002. I deceided to get my concealed permit. I am 73 years old and still carry my G19.
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