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Old 05-23-2007, 11:00   #1
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Gun friendly lawyers near Fairfax

I was shot in an negligent discharge by one of my co-workers. Not my fault, I was driving, etc... but my company is doing an investigation and I'm worried. Any gun friendly lawyers in or around Fairfax?
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Old 05-23-2007, 13:47   #2
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VCDL

VCDL ( www.vcdl.org ) has a link on their website to a list of lawyers:

Link: http://www.hkshooter.net/lawyers/

There are several listed in Northern VA.

Perhaps others can provide more specific comments.
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Old 05-24-2007, 07:17   #3
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Richard Gardiner,

VCDL's corporate attorney, has argued gun cases before the SCOTUS, teaches legal portion of CCW class at our gun club.

You can't get much more pro-gun than he is.

Not cheap though.


But I carry his phone number in case I need a lawyer in relation to a shooting.


http://www.lawyers.com/gardiner/



Edited to add: He's also the attorney that Senator Webb's assistant called to get out of trouble in DC.
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Old 05-24-2007, 14:58   #4
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I spoke with Mr Gardiner. It was nice of him to take time out of his day to answer random questions over the phone.

It's fine now, people. No charges, no muss, no fuss. I can go back to healing after having a 230 grain hollowpoint go through my right elbow.
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Old 05-25-2007, 07:04   #5
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I spoke with Mr Gardiner. It was nice of him to take time out of his day to answer random questions over the phone.

It's fine now, people. No charges, no muss, no fuss. I can go back to healing after having a 230 grain hollowpoint go through my right elbow.
He was that way when I called him after first getting my permit. Spent about 10 mins with me on the phone, gave me advice on what he wanted me to do if I was involved in a shooting.

Heal up fast!

Have you been practicing shooting with your left hand?

Oh and I would consider suing your co-worker who shot you.
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I'm going to get into 50 yard rimfire. I'm not suing, it was an accident. I may ask him to pay what insurance doesn't.
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I'm going to get into 50 yard rimfire. I'm not suing, it was an accident. I may ask him to pay what insurance doesn't.
Match at Fairfax Rod and Gun club if you heal up by June 2-3.
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Old 05-25-2007, 19:46   #8
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If it's benchrest, I'm in. Otherwise, I cannot do standing at this time. 17 pins, 3 plates, and a bit of a surgical drill in me not to mention the still broken bone.
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Old 05-26-2007, 07:25   #9
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I spoke with Mr Gardiner. It was nice of him to take time out of his day to answer random questions over the phone.

It's fine now, people. No charges, no muss, no fuss. I can go back to healing after having a 230 grain hollowpoint go through my right elbow.
Yikes... What happened?

On a lighter note, at least we know a .45 to the elbow won't take off your arm!

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If it's benchrest, I'm in. Otherwise, I cannot do standing at this time. 17 pins, 3 plates, and a bit of a surgical drill in me not to mention the still broken bone.
Nahh... it's 3 position. There's a big prone match in the fall.
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Old 05-27-2007, 08:30   #11
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Here's the link to what happened. I'm not much for a lot of typing right now. Read it all the way through for gory pics

OK, who wants to meet at the NRA range next week to teach me all about rimfire?

A .45 hollowpoint can't keep me from shooting!
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Old 05-27-2007, 17:19   #12
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LittleLebowski1,

First of all I am glad you are alive. That was a close call I am glad the ND did not result in a loss of life.

That said....

I hope I don't come off sounding like a Troll....

But I have to ask, "What the hell were you thinking"?

You let a newbie access to your firearms, and did not provide the proper supervision to make sure you did not get shot?

When a friend and I take co-workers to a range, the first thing we/range officers do is teach them about trigger control. (If their finger is not on the trigger they can't shoot you can they)?

Having a co-worker "play" with your firearm, pick up a mag, lock and load, and shoot you is pure negligence on your part.
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Old 05-27-2007, 18:17   #13
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frefoo, you weren't there. Yeah, I guess I should have had a lock on each and every gun and ammo separate and maybe even eyes in the back of my head to see if he was going to take a weapon out of the bag, insert a mag, and rack the slide with his finger on the trigger.

All of your range advice is very illuminating. In 8 years in the Marine Corps Infantry, I never heard of such wisdom.

Or maybe, I had gone shooting with the guy, taught him the safety rules myself, and watched him take the written test at the NRA?

It's so easy to second guess and play range officer, isn't it? Did it ever occur to you after losing part of my right arm, undergoing some pretty hard core pain, looking forward to a year of therapy that I might have had some second thoughts as well? In fact, I swore anyone that isn't family or hasn't graduated Marine Corps Boot Camp won't handle my weapons around me. That may exclude you, even an super duper elite range officer. Did you take the time to read that I was freaking DRIVING at the time and had NO idea he was touching the danged firearm?

I don't like you and get the hell out of my thread. Go play armchair "I told you so" somewhere else. I've been shot, I was a Marine, I've been a few places and done a few things, I'm over 30, and I don't need you coming in here on a high horse when this could have happened to you or anyone. Go away.
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Old 05-27-2007, 18:57   #14
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Nice play with the Absolute Moral Authority card (I was shot feel sorry for me). It may bring you sympathy with some people but frankly it does not with me.

From your own link you stated that you allowed the firearm you own (Kimber .45) to get out of your control and some newbie shot you (and you claim it was not your fault).

I am sorry you got shot, I am glad that you are alive, however before I place blame on the newbie, you did mess up and perhaps you should learn from it.

Just a thought.
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Old 05-27-2007, 19:03   #15
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BTW...

"I don't like you and get the hell out of my thread."

I thought this was glocktalks thread not yours.

BTW I don't like you either, after reading just one of the threads "you own".
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Old 05-27-2007, 19:31   #16
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Listen, Armchair Quarterback, EVERY time you turn your back on a weapon, you give someone else a chance to grab it. It was in a case. Do you understand that? Go to Iraq and do a little armchair quarterbacking there. Your range officer title doesn't impress me.
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Listen, Armchair Quarterback, EVERY time you turn your back on a weapon, you give someone else a chance to grab it. It was in a case. Do you understand that? Go to Iraq and do a little armchair quarterbacking there. Your range officer title doesn't impress me.
Dude you are digging you own grave...

While in a car (not a combat area like Iraq)...

You were distracted long enough that a passenger managed to remove your Kimber from a hard case "lock and load" and shoot you in the elbow...

Just for the record (and if you searched the posts you would know that I am not a "range officer".

I will gladly show my DD-214 to anyone if needed.
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Match at Fairfax Rod and Gun club if you heal up by June 2-3.
Looked at those pics, YUCK!!

You'll be lucky to have healed up by this fall.
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Old 05-27-2007, 21:33   #19
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I was not playing the sympathy card, I was saying I certainly have a reminder. This can happen to you tomorrow. In a range. I wasn't distracted, I was driving. I had no idea anything was going on. If you read my post again, you'll see I've upped my standards a bit. And lecturing me isn't ever going to do as much as actually being shot did for me. Everybody else saw that; you had to get on your high horse. And one more, time, this could happen to someone at a range. Cops shoot each other and themselves all of the time. Google NYPD trigger for example. Glock was sued many times for officers not realizing that safety lies between the ears. Meanwhile, I'll do my therapy and shoot .22 rimfire.

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I was not playing the sympathy card, I was saying I certainly have a reminder. This can happen to you tomorrow. In a range. I wasn't distracted, I was driving. I had no idea anything was going on. If you read my post again, you'll see I've upped my standards a bit. And lecturing me isn't ever going to do as much as actually being shot did for me. Everybody else saw that; you had to get on your high horse. And one more, time, this could happen to someone at a range. Cops shoot each other and themselves all of the time. Google NYPD trigger for example. Glock was sued many times for officers not realizing that safety lies between the ears. Meanwhile, I'll do my therapy and shoot .22 rimfire.
And what do the facts mean that someone shot YOU with YOUR own Kimber .45 while you were driving and somehow YOU were not part of the blame?

Just bringing up a "reminder" to my initial post.
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