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Old 12-08-2014, 19:53   #1
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Daniel Defense ?????

I can get a Daniel defense DD4 V5 light weight for $1,350 out the door.

I asked my dealer if he had $1,600.00 to spend what AR would he get with, and he said this gun.

He said he would put that up against a LWRC, and said he likes it better because of the customer service is top noch.

To me that is a big statment by a dealer, seeing he can get whatever he wants.

I know Daniel defense is a good gun, and I can't find anyone bad mouthing them so my question is, how do you pick one with so many different models.

Which ones do you guys have, or have on your wish list.

I got my month end bouns, with that and the trade in of my core ar I can afford $1,600.00
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Old 12-08-2014, 20:19   #2
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V5 LW is a good way to go... I'd go with a V1, V5, V9 or V11 with LW barrel anytime. Pick what you like and buy!
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Old 12-08-2014, 20:20   #3
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He said he would put that up against a LWRC...
That's not saying much.
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Old 12-08-2014, 20:31   #4
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That's not saying much.
Trure or not true?

LWRC not as good ?
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Old 12-08-2014, 20:56   #5
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I have one of their V1 ARs and I've been very happy with it. I'm familiar with LWRCs rep and I'm sure they turn out a solid AR but I wasn't going to spend that kind of $ and I don't care enough about the whole gas-impingement/piston debate to spend the dough on a piston gun. Picked my V1 up for $1200 and the gun is well worth it IMO.
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Old 12-08-2014, 22:34   #6
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I once asked a barber if I needed a hair cut, and he said yes. That's alot of great wisdom coming from a specialist in the field of hair. He gave the same advice every time I walked into the shop, too! What a wise man!

I went to a Chevy dealer last week and asked if Chevy's were better than Toyota's, and every salesman in the place agreed that Chevy kicks Toy butt!

Nuff said.
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Old 12-09-2014, 05:43   #7
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I once asked a barber if I needed a hair cut, and he said yes. That's alot of great wisdom coming from a specialist in the field of hair. He gave the same advice every time I walked into the shop, too! What a wise man!

I went to a Chevy dealer last week and asked if Chevy's were better than Toyota's, and every salesman in the place agreed that Chevy kicks Toy butt!

Nuff said.

That is nothing a like.

The deraler can carry anything he like, and afford any rifle, so to me his opinion should be an honest one. I have been buying and selling guns at that shop for the last 15 years, he knows me and I know him well.

When I asked him, what does he have, he did not say DD, and to be honest, he never did say. I assume it's LWRC.

All I did is gave a number, and asked if that was a good choice at that price point.

If you had $1,600.00 would you buy it.

The dealer did not say save up for a LWRC, or stay way a DD and get a LWRC. To me his opinion was a honest opinion.

I want a DD, his answers was he woud get the V5, just like I asked here, what would you get if it was your cash.
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Old 12-09-2014, 05:55   #8
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i have a v7 lw. you should be able to do a little better on the price if you have the patience to shop around. I chose the v7 lw simply because i liked the look of it and don't need a heavy barrel.iirc All the 16 " guns are the same mechanically, only got to choose light barrel or not, and which rail you want. for what its worth i like the dd furniture over the moe stuff. it looks a little hinky on line, but looks and feels great in person.
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Old 12-09-2014, 07:45   #9
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I have not once seen cciman give any good info.Its constantly about not spending money on a well respected product because the cheap crap is just as good.



Honestly the only differences between the different models of the DDrifles would be the barrel profile and what rail is on it.Just pick the profile you want and the rail you want and that'll be the rifle to buy.1350$ isn't a bad price for any DD rifle especially at a brick and mortar gun store.You might be able to save a few bucks buying online during a sale but, I wouldn't feel bad about paying a couple bucks more to the local guy
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Old 12-09-2014, 08:12   #10
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That is nothing a like.

The dealer can carry anything he like, and afford any rifle, so to me his opinion should be an honest one. I have been buying and selling guns at that shop for the last 15 years, he knows me and I know him well.

When I asked him, what does he have, he did not say DD, and to be honest, he never did say. I assume it's LWRC.

All I did is gave a number, and asked if that was a good choice at that price point.

If you had $1,600.00 would you buy it.

The dealer did not say save up for a LWRC, or stay way a DD and get a LWRC. To me his opinion was a honest opinion.

I want a DD, his answers was he woud get the V5, just like I asked here, what would you get if it was your cash.
The dealer is there to make money. Regardless how long you have been doing business there, he is going to make money on the deal and you are going to loose money. Most likely, he has the DD in stock or he can get them easier than the LWRC and at a lesser price. My question is what is wrong with your CORE15 AR? Why not keep it and buy the DD V5 for $1350 OTD? Why not use your bonus and upgrade the CORE15? You are not going to win by trading the CORE15 in. You are losing more money than you should. As much as I would like to endorse someone getting a DD, I cannot in your case. There is nothing wrong with a CORE15 AR. Unless you feel the need to own a DD just because it has a big name on the side of it, then go ahead. Personally, I could find a better use of my money. That said, if you have the money to buy the DD outright (without trading), then I could see doing that. Otherwise, if you really want a DD, then save for a while until you can pay for it outright. Keep the CORE15.
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Trure or not true?

LWRC not as good ?
LWRC has a fairly well documented history of failure in big name classes, failure with prolific forum posters, and failure with their one and only (remorseful) customer- the DEA.

Also, piston ARs are straight goofball.

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Old 12-09-2014, 09:13   #12
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Daniel Defense is above a Colt!! There Both Great But The DD Is A Notch Better. But better because its built a little better. As far as the piston AR 15's their just not needed. Whats the advantage of a *LW Barrel Though?? Im guessing just the weight. Id rather have a longer lasting barrel. That said unless shooting alot none of us will ever need the Heavy Barrel unless we can afford to keep spending money on ammo. I like the DD very much. The only problem is the availability of part's if something break's. Colt part's are ecerywhere. If I bought A DD rifle I would get alot of backup part's!! Just Me.
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:22   #13
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my buddy bought a V5 in January and it came out of the box not fireing .....sent it to DD and they sent it back and it still didn't fire ( I think it some how slipped thru the cracks of their returnd dept)..when DD heard about it they never asked a question all they did was said send it back and they sent him not only a brand new rifle and not only did he get a apology from the rep but had one of the BIG dogs there personally call him up and talk to him and apologize ...they actually offered some free gear but my buddy declined , he just wanted a rifle.

every gun maker makes a lemon or two..even if they only have a 1% failure rate DD makes around 60 thousand rifles a year I was once told..that would be 600 lemons a year if they do have that rate..who knows....

my point being that DD makes a super nice rifle..CHF barrels and some great rails..and they have some of the best customer service and QC in the industry...

on a side note..my buddy is on his third or fourth DD now and he has put 2 or 3 g in 5.56 thru each one so far he told me,,he ran with our private gun club on black Friday and we tortured tested his new DD 5.56 pistol ( the only one that broke that day was a franken gun) and it took it and he ran the course with no hic-cups ..

a DD is on my wish list for next year, esp if the rumors of a 308 are true..
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LWRC has a fairly well documented history of failure in big name classes, failure with prolific forum posters, and failure with their one and only (remorseful) customer- the DEA.

Also, piston ARs are straight goofball.
To be fair, LWRC seems to have fixed their issues.... Specifically with the IC/SPR piston components, huge improvement over previous versions... Along with 1 piece bolt carrier which they've had for a while. I don't own an LWRC and I agree they're unnecessary and have more drawbacks (front heavy, increased heat under handguard, proprietary parts) than what they bring to the table (theoretical advantage in short barrels, full auto & suppressed fire or any combo), but considering HK makes piston AR's I wouldn't consider them goofy.... I would take KAC over LWRC all day any day for generally less money & weight.
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That is a very nice rifle.

But there are some exceptional deals out there now...it isn't a "must buy" or anything
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Old 12-09-2014, 09:59   #16
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...considering HK makes piston AR's I wouldn't consider them goofy....
HK is about the goofiest (serious) company out there!

I present:

The MK23

The MP7 in 4.6x30mm

Mag release "levers"

...and yes, I'm going to say it because I'm right and I don't care what some gun writer said in the 80's...

The P7 Cocksqueezer.

(All goofy as hell... sorry for the OT)
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Old 12-09-2014, 11:10   #17
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They make a rifle in 6.8 spc but because of the cost of ammo people pass it up. I don't know how much as difference the cost is. Sorry I got off subject.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:11   #18
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HK is about the goofiest (serious) company out there!

I present:

The MK23

The MP7 in 4.6x30mm

Mag release "levers"

...and yes, I'm going to say it because I'm right and I don't care what some gun writer said in the 80's...

The P7 Cocksqueezer.

(All goofy as hell... sorry for the OT)
The P7 squeeze cocker is a great gun and the mag release lever is a better option than a button, much less chance of accidentally releasing a mag.

The MK23 was a niche gun designed to satisfy the customers demands. It's not like HK said "let's design the biggest kitchen sink we can fit in a holster." SOCOM wanted it, they got it.

The MP5 makes up for MP7 idiocy. NATO schamatp. If I need to defeat body armor I'll grab an AR or an AK.
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Old 12-09-2014, 12:15   #19
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You really can't go wrong with Daniel Defense. They are atop notch company and have great customer service. They produce very reliable rifles and you know it's built and tested properly. For those who like the 'pretty' guns, their finish is second to none. Best of both worlds, great rifle that looks pretty and a company that really stands behind their product. If for some reason you have an issue they will take care of you, no questions asked!
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While I was considering a DD, the V5 was what I was looking at. Although not a LW.....I like a heavier profile barrel.
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