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Old 08-13-2014, 19:33   #1
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REMINGTON M4s FOR THE PHILIPPINES

The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) acquired some 27,000 Remington M4s last July, the first batch from a total of 50,000 units ordered. The remaining balance is to be delivered in December.

Would these be the same models currently being used by the US Army as well?
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Old 08-13-2014, 19:48   #2
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Would these be the same models currently being used by the US Army as well?
They lost the contract to FN because they improperly calculated Colt's royalty fee.

Delivering the second batch is going to be a challenge for them with the Freedom Group Huntsville consolidation.
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Old 08-13-2014, 23:50   #3
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Funny how Remington and FN keep making sales while Colt sucks their dusts.


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Old 08-14-2014, 00:27   #4
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I'd be hard pressed to buy a current production Remington, thanks to the Cerberus/Freedom Group clusterfrak.
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Old 08-14-2014, 04:44   #5
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Would these be the same models currently being used by the US Army as well?
I have never seen the U.S. Army have a Remington in stock, so they won't be exactly the same.

However, this is a good score for Remington.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:18   #6
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Would these be the same models currently being used by the US Army as well?
Remington had to do something with the 24,000+ from the failed Army contract.
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Old 08-14-2014, 08:36   #7
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How is that possible? Remington can't use the secret sauce recipe!!!
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Remington had to do something with the 24,000+ from the failed Army contract.


Though seriously, I doubt that they started making guns for a contract that they didn't quite win. Or maybe they started making the guns when they thought that they had the contract in the bag and now have to sell it elsewhere.

Even before the defunct US Army contract, Remington already started making ARs, so it wouldn't be too hard for them to retool to make M16/M4.
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How is that possible? Remington can't use the secret sauce recipe!!!
Maybe because it's the Filipino Government, they then can use the TDP.
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Funny how Remington and FN keep making sales while Colt sucks their dusts.


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Colt Defense received a contract for $54.5 million M4 PIP upgrade in March 2014.
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Wonder how they were roll marked , Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS.... ?
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They lost the contract to FN because they improperly calculated Colt's royalty fee.

Delivering the second batch is going to be a challenge for them with the Freedom Group Huntsville consolidation.

Wait...they had a government contract for M4 carbines and they lost it because they had a screwed up price structure not because they didn't have the secret sauce...

How is that possible. I thought only Colt has the secret sauce.
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Colt Defense received a contract for $54.5 million M4 PIP upgrade in March 2014.
I think the official title of that program was the Colt Corporate Welfare program...
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How is that possible. I thought only Colt has the secret sauce.
I assume the "secret sauce" you're referring to is the TDP... and since you're dying to know, I'll explain it to you.

The TDP was a proprietary annex released to offerors on the condition that they not use the information contained inside for commercial sales.

That is why it was considered a "poison apple" and JimmyJoeBob Outfitters didn't throw in a bid on the M4 contract.

Excluding the 21 vendors who received the TDP in the infamous RIA--->Crane--->Bubba spillage, the companies with access to the TDP are Colt, Remington, FN, and Sabre Defence Industries.
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Wonder how they were roll marked , Remington, Bushmaster, DPMS.... ?
Either Remlin or Marlington thanks to the current crop of the many sub-standard long arms that are being cranked out.

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I wont buy a freedom group product since thwy suck or a colt since they seem to aboid civilian market and dont make any configurations that interest me much
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I wont buy a freedom group product since thwy suck...
They are entirely capable of producing a correct rifle IF they want to.

The problem is, for the commercial market, they don't want to.

The average consumer is hungry for the cheapest crap they can get their hands on. Doesn't matter if it's the biggest ripoff on the planet- as long as it's shaped like an AR, whoever has the cheapest price makes the sale.

Even on firearms related message boards (where you would think aficionados would know a thing or two about the difference between a rifle that is properly made from quality components and a junker) we have advocates for low quality (at slightly lower, the same, or even HIGHER price!).

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or a colt since they seem to aboid civilian market
Yes... by selling in WalMart in between the bargain bin DVDs and the soccer balls they are doing everything they can to avoid the civilian market...
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