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Old 11-18-2007, 02:50   #1
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Negativity in EMS?

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I was wondering if there are any pleasant EMTs other than yourselves? I have been lurking at several EMS forums and I cannot believe the piss poor attitudes regarding the business, schooling, nurses, patients, and the world in general. I also notice how unfriendly some of them are to fellow EMTs and they seem so resentful and negative toward those looking forward to beginning a career.

I'm afraid to post. My enthusiasm may get me flamed. Some people are just asking simple questions about schooling and getting responses like "lemme guess, you just want to work on a private ambulance service" kind of crap. Glad I didn't post since that is kinda what I was thinking of doing.

Please tell me there are friendly medics. The paramedics on some of these forums seem so eager to boast about their skills/experience but are condescending to anyone who wants to enter their ranks, suggesting that only certain people can cut it and they are quick to make a prediction that certain posters don't have what it takes. What am I getting myself into with this business?

I just sent a letter of interest to an ambulance service near me. I recently became certified as an NREMT-B. I have been responding to calls with my local Fire/Rescue but we are really slow right now - I have had two calls in three weeks. Am I going to hate the people in this business? So far I have liked all of the people I have met in person. The internet, not so much.

What can you guys tell me?
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Old 11-18-2007, 09:12   #2
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Old 11-18-2007, 16:05   #3
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Is what you are reading more than "normal" internet forum "smacktalking"? I am a little surprised. I would think people would be more supportive of others looking into emergency services.

As to the attitude towards patients, I assume that is normal grousing. When I go to work-related forums, a majority of the threads are people letting off steam about PITA customers (Pain In The rearend). My wife is a nurse, and when she gets together with coworkers they always spend time talking about patients like that. It is just a part of life!
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Is there negativity, yes. You will see it when once you start working EMS. Not everybody is that way, there are lots of upbeat people in EMS just like there are a lot of ****heads.

I've seen a lot of the nurse/paramedic rivalry. Honestly, a lot of it stems from paramedics doing dumb stuff, at least that's been my experience. Nurses do cause some of the rivalry though.

As for the whole paramedic ego thing, the medics with the big egos are often called paragods because they think they are god. This is a sore subject with me.

You're going to run into paragods. It's inevitable because they're everywhere and they think their **** doesn't stink. Some of them honestly believe they walk on water and can do no wrong. They're unapproachable, ignorant as hell and usually don't know their **** as well as they think they do. Most of them are compensating for obvious flaws instead of trying to fix those flaws.

I'm in my last two weeks of paramedic school and I've seen some of my classmates go from normal people to paragods and it's down right sickening. When you see a paragod, you'll recognize one instantly. They're usually the ones that wear wrap around sunglasses on cloudy days, they'll be rude and condescending to patients and they'll usually have a swagger worse than anything you'll see at a bar.

Once you start working in EMS you'll see all types of paramedics. Most of the really good ones aren't paragods, they're usually pretty down to earth and they are the best ones to learn from.

I know my post may sound pretty negative but EMS isn't all bad. It's a pretty good field to be in right now. I've only been in it three years and I'm seeing a lot of changes. Working conditions and the pay are improving in a lot of places due to the shortage of qualified people and that trend is going to continue for a while. Besides that, you'll get to help people, which for me, is the best part of the job.
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Old 11-18-2007, 19:11   #5
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Is what you are reading more than "normal" internet forum "smacktalking"? I am a little surprised. I would think people would be more supportive of others looking into emergency services.

As to the attitude towards patients, I assume that is normal grousing. When I go to work-related forums, a majority of the threads are people letting off steam about PITA customers (Pain In The rearend). My wife is a nurse, and when she gets together with coworkers they always spend time talking about patients like that. It is just a part of life!
It definitely is different thatn normal internet "smacktalk". I spend a fair amount of time on this board in CT. Those guys are a cut above what I encountered on those EMS forums. In CT the only people that they ***** about are bad guys and sometimes administrators. I rarely hear the cops there complain about pay (I know EMS pays poorly but it is not why I'm doing it) or the people they are trying to HELP, which is ostensibly why we are in EMS. Sure there are irritating people that are your patients, and it is normal to complain about it, however, if you hate your co-workers, your pay, and you no longer care for the patients, it sounds like it may be time to leave.

I worked in restaurants for years. I understand the need to vent about people who are jerks, however, I didn't go to school to wait tables or choose it as a "career". I also never entered the trade to help people. I just want to know that most EMTs are good people trying to help others and that I have just encountered a cranky bunch.
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Is there negativity, yes. You will see it when once you start working EMS. Not everybody is that way, there are lots of upbeat people in EMS just like there are a lot of ****heads.

I've seen a lot of the nurse/paramedic rivalry. Honestly, a lot of it stems from paramedics doing dumb stuff, at least that's been my experience. Nurses do cause some of the rivalry though.

As for the whole paramedic ego thing, the medics with the big egos are often called paragods because they think they are god. This is a sore subject with me.

You're going to run into paragods. It's inevitable because they're everywhere and they think their **** doesn't stink. Some of them honestly believe they walk on water and can do no wrong. They're unapproachable, ignorant as hell and usually don't know their **** as well as they think they do. Most of them are compensating for obvious flaws instead of trying to fix those flaws.

I'm in my last two weeks of paramedic school and I've seen some of my classmates go from normal people to paragods and it's down right sickening. When you see a paragod, you'll recognize one instantly. They're usually the ones that wear wrap around sunglasses on cloudy days, they'll be rude and condescending to patients and they'll usually have a swagger worse than anything you'll see at a bar.

Once you start working in EMS you'll see all types of paramedics. Most of the really good ones aren't paragods, they're usually pretty down to earth and they are the best ones to learn from.

I know my post may sound pretty negative but EMS isn't all bad. It's a pretty good field to be in right now. I've only been in it three years and I'm seeing a lot of changes. Working conditions and the pay are improving in a lot of places due to the shortage of qualified people and that trend is going to continue for a while. Besides that, you'll get to help people, which for me, is the best part of the job.
Paragods: Now that is damn funny. Thanks for the encouragement. I just want to keep my intentions pure and not let my attitude become poisoned.
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Old 11-18-2007, 19:23   #7
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Hang in there. Negativity always seems to have a greater volume than contentedness. Few are inclined to proclaim how great their life is.

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You should be filled with enthusiasim. You are headed into a brand new challenge and anything is possible. Dont let anyone tell you that they were not enthusiastic at the start of their career-if they do they would be lying. EMS is not a career that one just settles for, you have to want to do it.

I will be the first to admit that I am full of negativity when it comes to my career and I am nearing the end of my career, but I also feel that maybe if I had made better choices when it came to employers that just maybe I would love the job as much as I did in the begining. If you get into the right place this can be a wonderful career.

Good luck with your new endeavor and I wish you only the best.
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I'm a happy camper, and love my job even though it isn't a municipal FD job. Been there, done that, moved along to greener pastures. Part of the reason that I'm still a happy camper is the fact that I can piss and moan from time to time. Sometimes it's to my partner, sometimes it's to other paramedics/EMTs, sometimes it's to the RNs or MDs at the hospital. I'm not at all negative, but I am realistic. There are lots of negative situations that we've all been thrust into, and rather than allow that negativity to seep into my soul, I'll piss and moan a little, hone my morbid sence of humor, drink some more coffee, and then go on with my day.
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I'm a happy camper, and love my job even though it isn't a municipal FD job. Been there, done that, moved along to greener pastures. Part of the reason that I'm still a happy camper is the fact that I can piss and moan from time to time. Sometimes it's to my partner, sometimes it's to other paramedics/EMTs, sometimes it's to the RNs or MDs at the hospital. I'm not at all negative, but I am realistic. There are lots of negative situations that we've all been thrust into, and rather than allow that negativity to seep into my soul, I'll piss and moan a little, hone my morbid sence of humor, drink some more coffee, and then go on with my day.
Hell, I'm pissing and moaning about people pissing and moaning. I do understand the need to rant. Believe me.

I am just thinking that I need to make sure not to get caught up in the soap opera of it all. I do love my life and what I have chosen to do. I know I will see some things that make me need to vent and I will encounter people that will irritate me beyond belief. However, I am hoping that I don't **** on my co-workers and fellow EMS brothers and sisters to make myself feel superior, and I hope when I gain experience that I will happily pass that on to newbies.

To hijack my own thread: What is the general consensus on ambulance time as an EMT-B before schooling for Intermediate? I think a class starts in the spring, but if I am hired this winter, that won't be much ride time. What do you think?
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You should be filled with enthusiasim. You are headed into a brand new challenge and anything is possible. Dont let anyone tell you that they were not enthusiastic at the start of their career-if they do they would be lying. EMS is not a career that one just settles for, you have to want to do it.

I will be the first to admit that I am full of negativity when it comes to my career and I am nearing the end of my career, but I also feel that maybe if I had made better choices when it came to employers that just maybe I would love the job as much as I did in the begining. If you get into the right place this can be a wonderful career.

Good luck with your new endeavor and I wish you only the best.
I'm sorry you have not found your niche. I really do want to find the RIGHT place, but for now I just want to find A place.

I figure if I apply at private ambulance services and I do a lot of transports, the volunteer rescue can give me the first responder opportunity I want, and perhaps I can fill in the other end at the ER with a shift as a tech. We'll see what happens. And this winter I'm working a few shifts at the ski mountain in base first aid. I can see how ski patrol deals with fractures and head injuries pre-ambulance.

Thanks for the encouragement. I'm looking forward to my future in EMS.

Thank you all. I think I will stick to GT. I just wish this EMS forum was more active.
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Oh and D25: A morbid sense of humor is essential, I would think, and I meet the criteria for that pre-requisite.
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Don't let them get you down. Not everyone in EMS is like that, but be aware that an attitude like that can be contagious if you let it. I think some of it stems from always seeing the worst of times for most people. For EMS to come see you, you're either sick, or hurt. Dealing with that day in and day out gets to some people. Good luck in your endeavours, and remember the #1 rule of Emergency Medicine---It's not YOUR emergency.

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Don't let them get you down. Not everyone in EMS is like that, but be aware that an attitude like that can be contagious if you let it. I think some of it stems from always seeing the worst of times for most people. For EMS to come see you, you're either sick, or hurt. Dealing with that day in and day out gets to some people. Good luck in your endeavours, and remember the #1 rule of Emergency Medicine---It's not YOUR emergency.

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Your last line: The paramedic on our rescue said that to me once. It sounds like good advice to keep the rescuer calm and collected and to ease the depression of seeing bad things.

Thank you for your optimism. It is surely appreciated. I think that many websites have an aura about them. The trend begins somewhere regarding attitudes and like-minded people gravitate toward each other. On here, because it is primarily a gun forum, the posters tend to be more self-reliant and less likely to ***** about the hand they have been dealt. I think that is why I like it here. There is less negativity.

Ok, I'm better now.
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On here, because it is primarily a gun forum, the posters tend to be more self-reliant and less likely to ***** about the hand they have been dealt. I think that is why I like it here. There is less negativity.

Ok, I'm better now.
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May I ask which forums you were on. I prefer foops.org as a very good EMS forum. I post there frequently.

Think of forums as a place to vent pretty much without anyone that could fire you fire you. Also it's a place to ask about calls and get others opinions about what they would have done. As with all places there are a few bad apples.
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Lemme guess, you just want to join a private ambulance service.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I guess I have gotten my fill of internet trash talk. I usually don't frequent forum.... except GT. I have an interest in guns plus there are a lot of different forum here like this one.

Here locally the private service is AMR and there are some great people working there. They are always willing to help. Both the medics and the basics are great people. True, some of them have the "I walk on water" attitude but once you can get past that they are truly good people trying to help.

I hope you get the opportunity to join a service and I hope you have the opportunity to have someone puke on your shoes. It's a great life and I couldn't imagine doing anything different. But emergency service people are like any other group of people there are some great people and there are some losers. Find the great people and hang out with them.
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May I ask which forums you were on. I prefer foops.org as a very good EMS forum. I post there frequently.

Think of forums as a place to vent pretty much without anyone that could fire you fire you. Also it's a place to ask about calls and get others opinions about what they would have done. As with all places there are a few bad apples.
I think I have seen your screen name somewhere else, however, the site you mentioned didn't sound familiar.

I think the name of one of them is EMS Responder and there were two more that I cannot remember the names as I have purged all of them from my "favorites".

But I will check out the one you mentioned. I did start visiting primarily because I wanted to become more educated with my skills and about the business in general.

I definitely understand the need to vent. I just have an issue with unnecessarily *****ty remarks to simple, innocent questions. Some people have not yet attained "paragod" status and want to learn more. I see this attitude on different boards on GT as well, but not as much, and I have learned to frequent the ones with tight groups of people that closely mirror my outlook.
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Lemme guess, you just want to join a private ambulance service.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. I guess I have gotten my fill of internet trash talk. I usually don't frequent forum.... except GT. I have an interest in guns plus there are a lot of different forum here like this one.

Here locally the private service is AMR and there are some great people working there. They are always willing to help. Both the medics and the basics are great people. True, some of them have the "I walk on water" attitude but once you can get past that they are truly good people trying to help.

I hope you get the opportunity to join a service and I hope you have the opportunity to have someone puke on your shoes. It's a great life and I couldn't imagine doing anything different. But emergency service people are like any other group of people there are some great people and there are some losers. Find the great people and hang out with them.
I have already become acquainted with some wonderful people in EMS. My rescue squad is populated by them as well as the school I attended. I still see my instructors from time to time and so many people in the area are affiliated with the school, as well.

I went to a seminar tonight, not for the material (TEMSIS), but to meet area people in EMS and network a little. It was pretty nice. One of the local ambulance co's manager offered ride time. I'm thinking I might go for it if I can't line up what I have in mind.

And I can't wait to get my shoes puked upon.

Thank you everyone for the encouragement. Everything is very overwhelming when you are a newbie, especially when you are on a rescue squad where your first major call as an EMT could be a solo endeavor!! I'm hoping not, but there is no way around that possibility when you live in a rural area on a volunteer department.

On a side note: My stupid radio was off when I was charging it today when a call apparently came in for a car submerged in a pond when it left the icy roadway!! I have been waiting for a call for over two weeks and I missed it!!! :( D'oh. I'll be ready next time. They tell me this will wear off........
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