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Old 07-26-2014, 10:58   #1
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Pocket 1911 conundrum

There's a lot of nice new pocket 1911s out there, particularly the new Sigs.

I love 1911's and used to carry a Kimber UCII cocked and locked.

The thing is, that's the way they're supposed to be carried. BUT

The size of the new guns (or my 1980's Colt .380 Govt) lend themselves to pocket carry, but Condition One in the pocket seems problematic.

I just reviewed the Conditions of Carry and there goes that idea. Was reminded that condition II can be playing with fire. Or BOOM as the case may be.

Or…is it? Have the new designs in pocket models changed sufficiently that condition II is possible for the latest pocket models? I've been away from 1911 land long enough that I had to give myself a refresher, but tracking all the new models (jonesin for Sig Nightmare) is much more time consuming topic.

Where are we at on the latest pocket model 1911's and carry solutions?
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Old 07-26-2014, 14:24   #2
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I don't see how anyone can consider those 1911s. They're small, single action only pistols.
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Old 07-26-2014, 16:00   #3
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SIG 938, short mag. Alternates between Alabama Holster Pocket Holster (80%)or their kydex Avenger (20%). Always cocked and locked, otherwise I would carry another gun.
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Old 07-26-2014, 16:11   #4
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There is no "pocket carry" 1911 available.
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There is no "pocket carry" 1911 available.
When he mentioned the Mustang, I felt it safe to assume he meant 1911 looking, thus my mention of the 938 which no one who has smelled burnt powder SHOULD mistake for a 1911.
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Old 07-26-2014, 16:26   #6
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When he mentioned the Mustang, I felt it safe to assume he meant 1911 looking, thus my mention of the 938 which no one who has smelled burnt powder SHOULD mistake for a 1911.
When mentioned the new Sigs, I assume he was referring to the P238 and P938.

Like you said, they aren't 1911s, but in that style.
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Old 07-26-2014, 16:29   #7
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When he mentioned the Mustang, I felt it safe to assume he meant 1911 looking, thus my mention of the 938 which no one who has smelled burnt powder SHOULD mistake for a 1911.

You're good Bama'.......my comment was directed toward the OP
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Old 07-26-2014, 17:49   #8
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When he mentioned the Mustang, .
I didn't. That's actually different from what I have. The mustang was a follow on, I actually have the Government .380 which is a similar, but different gun. Collectible too, I understand. I'm the original owner, paid around 300. 1984ish?

checked a few years ago, they're pushing 500's, Maybe more now.

There is no backstrap safety though. Otherwise its identical to a 1911.
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Pocket 1911 conundrum

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There is no backstrap safety though. Otherwise its identical to a 1911.
No its not. The grip angle is slightly different, there is no plunger tube, and there are some internal differences.

The trigger pivots on the 380 as well, unlike a 1911.
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.......Otherwise its identical to a 1911.


Apples and bananas.........not even close Brother!
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Old 07-26-2014, 19:30   #11
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I will be honest, I have long loved the idea of just dropping a small "pocket gun" in my pocket and going about what I have to do that day.

Every time I get to the point where I am about to push the "buy" button on a Kahr. LCP, etc. I realize, I am not going to be dropping that thing into my pocket, right next to my manhood without a form of holster covering the guard. Then I start thinking about fishing that thing out of my pocket in a panic situation and fumbling with the sheath/holster and you know what, I still don't own one....

So to the question of a SA gun, cocked and locked with a thumb safety floating around in my pocket? You have got to be kidding.

Sorry if this was a hijack to the original question.
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So to the question of a SA gun, cocked and locked with a thumb safety floating around in my pocket? You have got to be kidding.
Yeah, not the style of gun I'd like to pocket carry, though I know a couple people who carry the new Sigs in their pocket.
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Yeah, not the style of gun I'd like to pocket carry, though I know a couple people who carry the new Sigs in their pocket.
I guess I am just the worrying type.
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The only pocket carry I still own is a Rohrbaugh R9. It saw a LOT of carry time in Miami. I used a pocket holster that completely covered the trigger guard. The design of the holster allowed for very fast draw, the holsters toyed in the pocket upon draw.

To those that want to carry a SA without a holster, have a nut.......or, lose one! That's your call.
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...The design of the holster allowed for very fast draw, the holsters toyed in the pocket upon draw..
I am going with you meant stayed..

Otherwise it may be TMI.
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I pocket carry when I'm dressed up (not very often). When I do, it's a P938 cocked and locked. Always in a pocket holster.
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The size of the new guns (or my 1980's Colt .380 Govt) lend themselves to pocket carry, but Condition One in the pocket seems problematic.

I just reviewed the Conditions of Carry and there goes that idea. Was reminded that condition II can be playing with fire. Or BOOM as the case may be.
What makes condition one problematic?

As for condition two, guns like the P938 have a firing pin safety, which would make them safe once in that condition. However, the hammers on these guns are kind of small. That would make getting the gun into condition two tricky / dangerous. It would also make it hard to cock, on the draw, under stress, after coming out of a pocket.

Just my $.01. (Current economy / market conditions )
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I am going with you meant stayed..

Otherwise it may be TMI.
Damn fat fingers.........
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