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Old 03-16-2008, 21:06   #1
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what would you eat if you had to grow it?

Pulled from another thread, but worth it’s own thread.

mitchshrader “what would you eat if you had to grow it?”

I am working on my answer, but don't have a complete picture, yet.
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Old 03-16-2008, 21:18   #2
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Corn, soybeans, tomatoes, peppers, pumpkins, etc.
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Old 03-16-2008, 22:18   #3
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Corn, taters, soybeans, fava beans, green beans, peas, beets, summer and winter squashes, truck crops like the leafy vegetables and herbs. Also an oilseed crop like flax or canola.
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Old 03-16-2008, 22:20   #4
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Why Solyent Green of course.
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Old 03-16-2008, 22:40   #5
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One more thing, how much property would it take?
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Old 03-16-2008, 22:42   #6
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Corn, beans, beets, carrots, kale, spinach, broccoli, cauliflower, asparagus, tomatoes, strawberries, apples, pears, brambles, peppers, squash...

Am I the only guy on here who subscribes to Backyard Poultry?

http://www.backyardpoultrymag.com/

ETA: Well if stuck in my city house... I'd leave out the brambles & asparagus. I've already got the apples, pears & herbs in my kitchen garden. We do kale in front beds in the winter now. The rest of the raised beds, currently housing roses, azaleas and hedge plantings would be converted to foods stuff. Except for the old english climbing roses. I'll still keep those for jelly. I'd be using that square foot method that you dislike RWBlue. I would estimate around 1500+ square feet. I'd likely replace the back grass with 3 sisters plantings for even more production. That's corn. beans & squash btw. Grown together on the same mound.
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One more thing, how much property would it take?
Do you mean to totally feed one person for a year on a diet of things you grow yourself?
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Do you mean to totally feed one person for a year on a diet of things you grow yourself?
I didn't think the question through, but that is a good definition.



As far as the square foot method, I disagree with certain parts. I think certain parts will only work while we have society.
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I didn't think the question through, but that is a good definition.



As far as the square foot method, I disagree with certain parts. I think certain parts will only work while we have society.
Are you talking about the part where you get to harvest the produce you grew before everyone else helps themselves?

PS - I think about 1750 s.f. (700 linear feet of 30" spaced rows) in corn will roughly support one person for a year.
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Old 03-17-2008, 00:52   #10
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That's my big survival prep, growing and raising all the food I need/want for myself and family, year after year. I'm just getting started with a little container gardening in the city to learn something before we move to the sticks.

So far, I've got essentially a spice garden, an orange tree, and a dozen strawberry plants.

Eventually, I want to buy my beans and rice, and grow the peppers, tomatoes, onions, garlic, lettuce, rosemary, thyme, and a million other things. I'm really excited about it and looking forward to it.
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Old 03-17-2008, 01:03   #11
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Are you talking about the part where you get to harvest the produce you grew before everyone else helps themselves?
Lets say you crucify the first person, and everyone decides to stay away.
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Old 03-17-2008, 07:29   #12
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:04   #13
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Lets say you crucify the first person, and everyone decides to stay away.
Don't let the scarecrow drip on the garden. Just a health concern.
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Old 03-17-2008, 08:05   #14
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I like taters, and carrots, and cucumbers...squash...I don't like raw onion, but like it cooked with stuff...

My mamaw grew a few cukes in a hanging flowerpot a while back, hadn't seen that before. She used to have a BIG garden, but at 90, she just don't have the get up and go anymore (at least PHYSICALLY).

Wish I could go back in time and pop my younger self on the head and tell me to get in there with her and LEARN it...

I think I'll be helping my cousin garden this year. Short of me patrolling with my 870 and those S&B rubber buckshot I got, any good ideas to keep the deer out?
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Old 03-17-2008, 09:23   #15
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Whatever I can grow indoors. Tomatoes, Serranos, Garlic, Onions, Green Beans, Okra.... Stockpiling carbs, Pintos, Dried Peas.

Won't cultivate any part of my acre because doing so will draw attention to myself. Also, having an outdoor garden means I'd have to cage the garden to keep out the birds and rabbits.

I like the idea of growing flax, but I suspect it takes a lot of land.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:27   #16
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Dandelions. You get a nice mix of everthing in them. flowers, greens, roots and seed. easy to grow, hardy, grow just about anywhere, and fast too.

Tomatoes and variety of hot and sweet peppers, onions (probably scallion or ramps), berries,

Wish I could grow kelp but thats a pipe dream. I could harvest seaweeds but never done it so I wouldn't put too much stock in it.
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Old 03-17-2008, 10:39   #17
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Mostly what I do now, tomatoes, peppers, herbs, cucumbers, squash, zuchinni, potatoes, lettuce, grapes, peaches, plums. If I can get my garden to work right, cabbage, onions, eggplant. Radishes seem to work well. I have blackberrries, but they are not good producers.

I have plenty of acorns, those things are everywhere.
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Old 03-17-2008, 11:42   #18
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every year we have the following

onions
russet taters
sweet taters
green beans
tomatoes
carrots
celery
rubarb
okra
cucumbers
bell peppers
banana peppers
jalapeno
sunflowers

Im sure there is more that I am forgetting.
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Old 03-17-2008, 13:20   #19
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I grow Almonds, Tomatos, Cucumbers, Snap Peas, jalapeno and bell peppers, pumpkins, and I'm trying corn this year. I really like sunflower, but so do all the critters in the neighborhood.

Also I'm going to buy two apple trees to go with my Almond trees. Home Depot are selling Dwarf apple, cherry and peach trees for only $20 a pop. Just make sure you read up if you need pollinators or not. Apples you do, that is why I'm getting a pair.
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Old 03-17-2008, 17:15   #20
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then we make him food too! taste better than corn, that for sure!
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Old 03-17-2008, 18:43   #21
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Dandelions... They're more nutritious than spinach, and they grow like *AHEM* weeds!

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The greens are excellent, and the heads make a healthful tea.
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Old 03-17-2008, 19:02   #22
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or wine.

Now about growing stuff.... I like it and am stuck in an apartment and drool and dream to have a garden. I got seed catalogs with the pages dog eared and lines drawn and budgets figured and all that.

The big half of SHTF to me is I get to grow a garden. Ya'll hurry to heck up.

Last one I grew was 10 raised beds with drip irrigation, and i can tell stories all day. i fell into it and didn't come up for air. You know you can buy guaranteed 100 lb pumpkin and watermelon seeds?

I did things ya ain't supposed to do. Transplanted *corn*..

Fun. Wallowed in it. Now, stuff that works for various purposes, not kitchen garden per se.. is sugar beets. Mangels. Most energy per acre. Right next is potatoes. Pumpkins are up there. they all keep fairly well, the beets and potatoes make fuel, the pumpkins make animal feed. Good animal feed.

For kitchen garden, ya want greens, radishes, onions, garlics, strawberries and asparagus in the corners and dewberries and gooseberries on the fence. Grapes if you're patient enough and stable enough.. You want corn, beans, and squash and tomatoes.

You want cukes, cabbages, turnips, and parsnips. Potatoes, yams, and a couple kinds of peas. It takes little space. It takes INTENSE concentration and tons of daily labor. it's about like knitting a garden. to get exceptional results, you do it nearly continuously.

Seeds are easy. If you've got lots of hot direct sun, eggplants and peppers do well, not much otherwise. As a rule of thumb, stuff of one type of cuisine will do well in the same area.... As another, KEEP GREEN THINGS AROUND, from mint to mustard, the more greens of various types the healthier the people. Sprouts beat nothing a bunch.. and a pound of alfalfa seeds makes approximately a chicago sized lump of sprouts...
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The greens are excellent, and the heads make a healthful tea.
Not too much, dandelion also make a good diuretic, Its good for you in limited amounts, but eating large bowls of dandelion salads every day may be bad for you, especially when your already on a limited SHTF diet.
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Old 03-18-2008, 08:48   #24
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PS - I think about 1750 s.f. (700 linear feet of 30" spaced rows) in corn will roughly support one person for a year.
That seems a little low--maybe in a good year with a good HYBRID seed. I think you need to plan for a lot more than that for all the oh ***** factors--bugs, drought, flood, heat, cold, etc.
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Old 03-18-2008, 12:09   #25
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The size of the plot is determined by the strength of the soil. If you have good rich well drained fertile soil you will need far less dirt to harvest the same amount of food. Also less work, which I am big on.

RWBlue hit me up about this at the Ohio campout, we have been raising our own food, putting it up (canned, frozen, dried) for the last 31 years.

We make our own sauerkraut, raise several different kinds of mushrooms (all legal btw) even built a chicken tractor for garden patch last summer.
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