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Old 03-25-2008, 20:48   #26
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Amerc....is USELESS, and i mean it. I tried to make dummy rounds with it, and it would not fit in a case gauge. It serves only as a bad example.

Speer is, IME, decent brass except for the funky concave case head.

Selier and Bellot brass is good, IME, as i bought a case or two of 45ACP, shot it up and now reload it, seems fine to me.
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Old 03-25-2008, 21:00   #27
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Hi,

S&B - 2 votes good, 1 vote bad, I'm putting back on the shootable list...

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Old 03-25-2008, 21:40   #28
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A couple of items from uncle.....

In .40 S&W, brass from Federal marked "FC" should be avoided.
If the headstamp reads "FEDERAL" it's good brass.
There have been numerous changes made in Fed 40's, the latest stuff is very good brass, but I place the earlier stuff in the "iffy" catagory.

As was mentioned, the Rem 9mm brass has a nice chamfer to the primer pocket, those folks loading 9's on a Lee 1000 should take note, this stuff makes a lee work a whole lot better.

On the S&B and the Fed NATO spec, both have crimped primer pockets, although not all of the S&B is crimped, treat it as if it is & swage the primer pockets, it will save a ton of grief.

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Old 03-25-2008, 22:34   #29
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Hi,

Thanks uncle!

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Old 03-25-2008, 23:16   #30
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I have had some bad experiences with newer .38spl S&B brass, the primer pocket is noticibly smaller, and priming is a no-go.
Older S&B is just fine in my experiences though. Maybe I just hit a wierd batch?
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Old 03-26-2008, 00:16   #31
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If anyone has Amerc brass, they can send it to me. I use cartridge cases for making bullet jackets for bulet swaging. My address is on my website. Send whatever you want to get rid of. I can use it.
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Old 03-26-2008, 15:55   #32
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Hi,

Well S&B is the flip-flop of the group, I'm putting it back on the junk list with a note that sometimes it can be ok if you don't experience priming issues.

Good luck,

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Old 03-26-2008, 16:18   #33
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CCI is good to go for me.

I reload the blazer CCI Brass all the time (in .45 ACP), nice big primer flash hole.

It is stamped "CCI".

The stuff that I've seen that's stamped SPEER is usually +P, I've reloaded that too with no problems, but not in the bulk I've reloaded CCI Brass.
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Old 03-28-2008, 19:58   #34
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Anyone want to weigh in on Lake City brass?
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Old 03-28-2008, 20:14   #35
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CCI is good to go for me.
I reload the blazer CCI Brass all the time (in .45 ACP), nice big primer flash hole.
It is stamped "CCI".
The stuff that I've seen that's stamped SPEER is usually +P, I've reloaded that too with no problems, but not in the bulk I've reloaded CCI Brass.
Yer the only one tout'n CCI and I would like others input on it.
Good/bad?
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Old 03-28-2008, 21:24   #36
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I've loaded the CCI "Blazer" brass in .45acp for USPSA & pins, seems to be fine.

As far as L C brass, if there is any better for .223, .308 or .30-06, I haven't found it yet & I've been reloading for 30+ yrs.

The LC Match brass is highly desirable, sorta like dating a supermodel that has her own Ferrari & her father has a liquor store & you get carte blanche to ALL of the above !

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Old 03-29-2008, 09:59   #37
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Some headstamp additions to freakshow10mm's post, with quality comments based on my experience:

Fiocchi brass is stamped Fiocchi or GFL - excellent
Winchester brass is stamped Winchester or WIN or WCC - excellent
Federal brass is stamped FEDERAL or FC - excellent

Prvi Partisan (Yugoslavia) brass is stamped PPU in cyrillic letters, looks like nny - not good in pistol calibers. Wrong primer pocket size, wrong primer type, eg. 45ACP brass with small primer pockets. Good in rifle calibers, and I believe Graf's rare caliber brass comes prom Prvi Partisan

Igman Konjic (Yugoslavia) brass is stamped IK, good rifle brass. Never saw any pistol ammo from them.

Malaysian military - stamped MAL, bad news. Heavily crimped in primer, too-small flash hole makes it almost non-reloadable

Note on PMC brass: it varies greatly. PMC is just a holding company, and has been in and out of bankruptcy a few times. PMC started out as Pan-Metal Corp, then became Patton-Morgan Corp, etc. Their brass/ammo has been Korean/US/Russian in origin. Their Korean and US brass is fine.
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Old 03-30-2008, 08:01   #38
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Please save me all your "junk" S&B brass. Also that Speer, CCI, and Fiocchi barely shootable stuff. My guns and presses don't read this thread and are under the impression that they're fine.

Just let me know when you have a FRB full and I'll pay the shipping. (.45ACP & Colt, .44, .38 & .357, 9mm)
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Old 03-30-2008, 18:48   #39
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anyone familiar with MFS brass in 30-06?
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Nope, but I have a few thousand MFS .45ACP that I've reloaded four or five times and they're great.
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Old 03-31-2008, 11:10   #41
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Please save me all your "junk" S&B brass. Also that Speer, CCI, and Fiocchi barely shootable stuff. My guns and presses don't read this thread and are under the impression that they're fine.

Just let me know when you have a FRB full and I'll pay the shipping. (.45ACP & Colt, .44, .38 & .357, 9mm)

I will save all of my JUNK S&B for you if you really want it. I doubt I will ever have enough for a FRB though. You will also have to let me know how that turns out for you and how exactly you get around dealing with junk brass with undersized primer pockets.

While you are at it, you want some of my .40 federal cartridges too?
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I will save all of my JUNK S&B for you if you really want it. I doubt I will ever have enough for a FRB though. You will also have to let me know how that turns out for you and how exactly you get around dealing with junk brass with undersized primer pockets.

While you are at it, you want some of my .40 federal cartridges too?
Well, if by "undersized" you're referring to the slight crimp that has to be overcome the first time you reload S&B, I deal with it by applying slightly more firm but gentle pressure, and the primer seats just fine. Subsequent reloads (and I'm at four or five on many S&Bs), go without a hitch.

I don't shoot .40, but thanks, anyway.
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Old 03-31-2008, 20:15   #43
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no, I mean undersized primer pockets. I didnt see a crimp anywhere on there, but there is some red sealant. I have had some S&B stuff work great, but this particular batch is a nightmare. I tried every trick I could, from beveling the primer pockets, pressing more firmly, etc. and I cant get a standard small pistol primer to seat more than 1/2 way, which tells me that it probably isnt from some crimp or something, because the primer does start- it just wont seat anywhere near flush. This is 9mm stuff, BTW.
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Old 03-31-2008, 20:27   #44
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Okay so say a fellow had 3k 40s&w brass and was gonna load some screamers up using them. Now if he sorted all that brass and had about an equal number of:

Remington
Winchester
Speer
Federal
S&B
ProLoad

So assuming all brass was inpected and "looked" good to go, which brand would you want to use for loading HOT 40s (we're talking ammo not websites ) ???
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heh... I suppose it depends on how hot we are talking, but if it were ME, and you are shooting this out of a glock with the unsupported chamber, I would use new brass for some he-man loads.

The common response is that federal brass is junk. I use a few, but try to toss most of them out. They were redesigned at one point to make them a little more "burst proof" at the webbing, so they in theory should be OK with the newer stuff, but I just dont trust them. I have also seen some nastily bulged out rem. and win. brass. I would say if it were up to me, I guess speer. That seems to look a tad stronger just from looking at fired brass. I use my .40 less than other brass, with about 3 reloads or so before I toss them. I think the constant expansion on the brass from the "glock bulge" and resizing process weakens it a bit. Perhaps I am paranoid, but I really dont want to KB my glock if I can keep from it.
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Old 04-03-2008, 04:31   #46
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I have some input but am not sure it is useable because I am not sure the quality is the same in the US and here in Europe:

9mm:

GFL-Fiocchi good
S&B-Seller & Belot not good, small primers pockets


38 spcl:
REM-Remington good
IMI- Israel Manfct. good
GFL- Fiocchi good
S&B- not so good

45ACP:
S&B- good
GFL- not so good
IMI- good

222rem:
S&B - not good
FC - Federal good
PMC-good
Norma-good

223rem:
S&B - good
IMI - good

308win:
IMI- good
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:14   #47
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What's wrong with GFL 45acp?

With regards to S&B, will swaging the primer pocket help?
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Old 04-03-2008, 08:56   #48
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What's wrong with GFL 45acp?

With regards to S&B, will swaging the primer pocket help?
the 45 ACP GFL is more difficult to prime

the S&B 9mm : I did not try to swage
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Old 04-03-2008, 13:17   #49
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I can't comment on primer pocket swaging on the S&B 9mm, but I do know that I cleaned the pocket, reamed it just a bit and even chamfered the pocket to try and ease seating and it just didnt work. I suspect you could swage them to size, but I dont really want to put that much effort into making 9mm brass shootable when there are tons of it out there that is far less labor intensive to mess with.
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Old 04-03-2008, 16:59   #50
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Swaging S&B 9mm does work, buy WHY ?????
At least in the U.S.A. we have a large selection of good, different headstamps to work with.

and 1 crappy one.



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